2020 Election If you had to vote right now for U.S President who would you pick?

[Machismo]

So undo the racist policy or beat Trump with a candidate that has a good policy platform. Anti-Trumpers typically don't like 95% of his policy and decisions so the idea that they need to be against him personally and not his policy doesn't make any sense.

Nah, nothing will stop Trump from being racist trash. Some people just don't want to vote for shitty human beings.

[Adam Jensen]

Well Pocahontas might be on it so you’ll still have your Disney character.

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He is a socialist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWW2eQ_ga0g

First of all, the whole "Pocahontas" thing was overblown. She based that on family oral history. The idea that she used that claim to her advantage has been thoroughly debunked.

Secondly, Bernie is only a socialist in the US where everyone left of the GOP is labeled "Socialist." Bernie advocates for similar policies that many non-socialist nations in Europe implement, and none of these nations have fallen to "socialism." Socialism is becoming meaningless with how thoughtlessly people like you toss it around.

[Elegiac]

First of all, the whole "Pocahontas" thing was overblown. She based that on family oral history. The idea that she used that claim to her advantage has been thoroughly debunked.

I just find it amusing how they think they're being woke and white knighting Native Americans by using a slur.

[muto]

First of all, the whole "Pocahontas" thing was overblown. She based that on family oral history. The idea that she used that claim to her advantage has been thoroughly debunked.

Secondly, Bernie is only a socialist in the US where everyone left of the GOP is labeled "Socialist." Bernie advocates for similar policies that many non-socialist nations in Europe implement, and none of these nations have fallen to "socialism." Socialism is becoming meaningless with how thoughtlessly people like you toss it around.

It’s not a him being labeled as one. He literally admits to it in interviews. And not just recent interviews. Interviews from way back when.

[Skroe]

I'll apologize for that only if i'm wrong. Skroe is obviously an elitist person who is telling other people the election isn't about policy. It's not fair to the other people out there who would like to vote based on policy and not on the individual.

I mean you're wrong as usual, but that's nothing new. Broadly speaking, I have much more in common with Trump and the Republicans in terms of policy objectives than Democrats.

Cut the size of the Federal Government, largely by going after entitlements? Check. Real world Republicans don't have the guts to do it though.

Move responsibility for many things the Federal government does to the states and out of the Federal government's hands? Oh my lord... check. Except Republicans have gone super soft on this in the Trump era (see: the Wall, immigration).

Cut Taxes and deregulation? Check check. Trump's record on these things is all words though, and basically no action. Mr. Loses in The Courts 93% of the time is not a deregulator... he's a guy lying that he is one.

A more forceful American-interest centric foreign policy? I mean I slagged Obama's foreign policy here for years here. That hasn't changed.

Ideologically, there is some commonality with broad principles. The differences though are more significant. The Wall is a monument to racism and white Supremacy and unlike Republicans I didn't go soft on that just because Trump got elected. The "Keep America White Again" Immigration policy of Stephen Miller, I know oh-so-popular with your type of Trumpublican, is un-American and abhorrent. The attacks on the media, our institutions, the rule of law, minorities, human rights, the truth and so forth are unacceptable and deal breaking as well. So is his friendliness with Russia, Putin and autocrats and ongoing solicitation of foreign assistance to win. Trump is a cheat. Your President is a cheat. Oh and let's not forget his identifying and sympathizing with White Supremacists, and laying down the moral authority of his office.

Remember when I first called Trump illegitimate: after Charlottesville. With respect to the United States foreign policy, we consider other national leaders legitimate only in so far as they use their power in the national interest of their country. When they do not, they lose legitimacy, even if they took office legitimacy. Donald Trump won the Presidency fair and square - and shot away any legitimate claim he has to the office by the manner in which he has been President. I apply the standard we use on other countries to ourselves. And your President has all the legitimacy of Maduro or average African would-be President for Life. If the constitution didn't prevent that, Trump would absolutely try. A respect for republican (small r) values, he does not have.

It comes down to this: Trump is a fundamentally malicious person, with enormous and unacceptable character failings who is unqualified for his office and whose values are incompatible with this country. He is the first truly un-American President. Almost nothing he does is consistent with what makes this country great and the regressive things he stands for are only consistent with the darker sides of this country's history.

I certainly have "things" I want policy wise. I've laid those out in elaborate detail for years. I can even link them again if you wish. But I was raised right by my parents and had good mentors in my life. I am a moral person. And unlike you and literally every single other one of the 63 million Trumphadis, I did not betray myself by putting my political wants over my essential needs to uphold my moral self and integrity. As my college advisor said, integrity is like virginity... once it's gone, there is no getting it back.

You compromise your integrity in supporting Trump, PrimaryColor. All Trumphadis do. It's not surprising you still support him. After all, you've come this far. What's another moral compromise? But I've slept well at night for 4 years because I have never once come within a light year of feeling that some bag of silver coins Trump was dangling in front of me was enough to make me compromise myself the way you have.

There was a time where a lot of the Trumphadis where the biggest fans of my posts and a lot of the Anti-Trump people were against it. The difference is, I've been consistent for years. I know exactly who I am and where I stand and what I want, and I won't lower myself for some fucking cheap gifts from Donald Trump, just so that when he's gone I can come up with some bullshit rationalizations about why I supported him. You'll be doing that. I won't. Because I am the better man.

So I will vote for an Avocado with a (D) on it. Because before I am a conservative, I am an American. And our shared American values are under grave threat from you and the un-American self-dealing corrupt, cheat, White Supremacist mob President you've enabled.

Oh and one more time, win or lose in the election, this doesn't end. Because you all have exposed yourselves for what you are. All I can say is: you better hope you win forever. The moment you don't, god help you.

[JohnBrown1917]

Well Pocahontas might be on it so you’ll still have your Disney character.

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He is a socialist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWW2eQ_ga0g

I wish he was.

[jonnysensible]

I thought Fintan O’Tooles article on Biden was pretty fair and honest : https://www.nybooks.com/articles/202...nated-mourner/

Surely its Donald vs Bernie.

And Donald is clearly a cretin born of 10 generations of bastards. So Bernie it is.

Anyone have any compelling articles on the individual candidates beyond lazy, 'hes a socialist, shes a cop, hes a corporate shill'.

[Doctor Amadeus]

So qualified that his brain is melting. Just be honest and admit you're a conservative lol

Whatever CommunismAlready Lost. I am not a conservative fiscally or socially, and pulling bullshit out of your ass isn't something new. Don't confuse my being liberal with being anything like you and promoting your bullshit. That doesn't make me a Conservative. Comrade!

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The thing is. Sander's is so up front about his positions that it's neigh impossible to actually effectively attack him with shit like "He's a socialist."

Unlike essentially every single other politician with socialist leanings always tried to somehow talk his/her way out of it (tho let's be honest, American politics haven't seen a politician with socialist leanings since FDR+Eisenhower).

You shout socialist at Bernie he just goes -Yes. I am. So what? Now lemme talk (shout at you) about how socialism will fix your healthcare. This is the power of owning up to something. But, see, he is a raving shouty lunatic! -Yes, because I am very passionate about my positions, now shut up and let me talk about how I will fix your healthcare.

This is an incredibly powerful position to argue from. This combined with the simple fact that 5 years of opposition research on Sanders hasn't produced a single thing to attack him with beyond the "He's a socialist and a civil rights activist." Well thank you, that's public record since the 70's, anything new?

The guy literally hasn't changed positions on anything in 50 years...it just took us 50 years to catch up to him.

As I said if he gets the nomination I will support Bernie even if I have to hold my nose doing so.

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Warren is out of the race tbh. She is the only democrat who polls worse than Trump.

The best chance at winning against Trump are Biden and Sanders according to recent research and polls. Warren is the worst dead last option...

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Have you not been paying attention ?

Everytime Biden opens his mouth they have already been going after him like mad men.
The alt-right news sources and Fox news have been calling him a creepy pedophile at least once a week. It'll only get worse.

Sanders has appeal to a big part of the Trump voters too though. The working class did not forget all those times Sanders was the only politician who ever rolled up.his sleeves and worked his ass off the help them.

The age of centrist politicians is long over. People have a sour taste in their mouth from all these establishment moderate politicians who promise everything but deliver the same bad tides as every other moderate before them.

I think the impeachment thing for sure could be an issue, however the other shit hasn't really landed because of the source, you can't vote Trump and complain about the creepiness of anyone.

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*everyone* will be going after Sanders. And I dont think he'll be equipped to deal with it. His campaigns seem mostly build to attack mainstream Dems.

Calling Trump a "neo-liberal shill" will be utterly futile.

When the dark money groups go after him, a doctor's note just wont do. Probably Hubert Humphrey 2.0

Yeah I don't know but I am a man of my word if Bernie gets it I would support him because FUCK TRUMP, seriously the guy is a threat every day he takes breath to the U.S.


So I would defend Bernie where I could.

That said Biden can beat Trump. Warren who I like more maybe not so much, I know some who personally said they might pull back if she got the nomination. not as VP but certainly as President because of her stance on a few issues concerning regulations and taxes.

[Adam Jensen]

It’s not a him being labeled as one. He literally admits to it in interviews. And not just recent interviews. Interviews from way back when.

He's literally said he believes the economy should be in the hands of private business.

At best he's Socialist Lite^TM

[Orbitus]

So undo the racist policy or beat Trump with a candidate that has a good policy platform. Anti-Trumpers typically don't like 95% of his policy and decisions so the idea that they need to be against him personally and not his policy doesn't make any sense.

Any of them have a better policy platform, since Trump doesn't fucking have one. At least one that isn't racist or retarded. A wall? What is that going to stop? Nothing. It can be climbed easily without help, can be dug under, and was cut within days, big enough that a truck drove through it.

[JohnBrown1917]

Whatever CommunismAlready Lost. I am not a conservative fiscally or socially, and pulling bullshit out of your ass isn't something new. Don't confuse my being liberal with being anything like you and promoting your bullshit. That doesn't make me a Conservative. Comrade!

Hey says while supporting the most conservative democrat.
Don't kid yourself.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Hey says while supporting the most conservative democrat.
Don't kid yourself.

While you throw shade and divert from anyone who can defeat Putins Puppet. Yeah whatever Communism I see you a mile away, You might appear to be upfront, but Trumps Your guy.

[PC2]

Any of them have a better policy platform, since Trump doesn't fucking have one. At least one that isn't racist or retarded. A wall? What is that going to stop? Nothing. It can be climbed easily without help, can be dug under, and was cut within days, big enough that a truck drove through it.

Okay so you're proving my point. If all of them have a better policy platform than Trump then why on Earth would you say politics is personal and not based on policy...

[JohnBrown1917]

While you throw shade and divert from anyone who can defeat Putins Puppet. Yeah whatever Communism I see you a mile away, You might appear to be upfront, but Trumps Your guy.

Seems I hit a bit close to home. Are you really this unfamiliar with blue dog democrats?

[Doctor Amadeus]

Seems I hit a bit close to home. Are you really this unfamiliar with blue dog democrats?

No you just don't get called out for your nonsense enough. I doubt you are really as Communist as you pretend, seeing as again Putin Ex KGB Mr Communist supports Trump. Pure and simple you want Trump so you will say anything like calling me a Conservative when NOBODY who knows what Liberal or Conservative would describe me as that.

[JohnBrown1917]

No you just don't get called out for your nonsense enough. I doubt you are really as Communist as you pretend, seeing as again Putin Ex KGB Mr Communist supports Trump. Pure and simple you want Trump so you will say anything like calling me a Conservative when NOBODY who knows what Liberal or Conservative would describe me as that.

You support the most conservative of the democratic candidate in the field, how are you not getting this lol



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violen...nforcement_Act
I even looked up his favourite bill for you.

[Doctor Amadeus]

I studied political theory to graduate level and you are a conservative, on the extreme right of the spectrum.

well im a doctor so you're wrong. See I can make up shit too.

No but let's look at the definition

Lib·er·al
/ˈlib(ə)rəl/
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adjective
1.
open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.

That's how I vote, that is how I live, that is how I believe concerning fiscal and social issues.

I would say the only contrast would be is that I am more of a Democrat than I a liberal, but that is a regional difference. Which isn't to say a liberal has to be a Democrat although in the U.S they most likely would be.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violen...nforcement_Act
I even looked up his favourite bill for you.

Biden is more conservative that is True, however the laws you linked have almost nothing to do with Liberal vs Conservative as it were. It almost has nothing arguably with a left or right issue.

I am starting to think you have no clue what liberal means like so many YouTube Fans now days.

[JohnBrown1917]

Liberalism as an idealogy and that definition are very different things lol.
...And you know how you can be both liberal and conservative.

[PC2]

I studied political theory to graduate level and you are a conservative, on the extreme right of the spectrum.

But you would have to say which of his policy positions make him a conservative or right wing. These ideological labels don't really mean anything without reference to policies.

[JohnBrown1917]

But you would have to say which of his policy positions make him a conservative or right wing. These ideological labels don't really mean anything without reference to policies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violen...nforcement_Act


This is a pretty big one.