What would have happend if Terenas decided to outright kill the orcs?

[Mehrunes]

Terenas died to Arthas, and the Orcs had little to do there. Basically, if Stratholme happens, the rest is history and Lordaeron is doomed. And given how distant the Orcish threat was to the city and its surroundings, I doubt their presence or absence would have changed much one way or another. And in the Human introduction cinematic, everyone but the Dalaran emissary seems completely dismissive of the Plague's ramifications, even calling him paranoid. It seems doubtful this complacent attitude would change much if the Orcs were not present.

Getting Arthas wasn't Ner'zhul's plan to topple the human kingdoms. It was his plan to fuck over the Dreadlords and escape the Legion's hold over him. Sure, it allowed him to kill two birds with one stone and use subterfuge against Lordaeron, but Lordaeron was doomed either way. He already had at least one necropolis fully prepared for war and under Kel'thuzad's control. And since no one really knew the scope of the threat the Scourge posed (and if Stratholme didn't happen no one would go to Northrend to check it out anyway) the Lich King would have taken them by surprise anyway. Maybe he'd suffer a bit more casualties but it's not like casualties ever mattered to the Scourge. Ner'zhul would have replenished them soon enough anyway.

So yeah, I do believe the game telling us that the world would have fallen to the Legion without the Horde during the Third War makes sense. Whenever the Alliance needs them around now, when it's an international superpower in its own right, is another matter entirely.

It's also a matter that makes no sense whatsoever because somehow the Alliance that lost the northern kingdoms magically became stronger for that. Despite the fact that their main surviving human kingdom (and the "powerhouse" of the entire faction after Lordaeron's demise) is somehow Stormwind. Which prior to WoW was an absolute failure of a nation that got nearly extinct three times in less than a century. Two times to complete jokes like Gnolls and the Gurrubashi. With them needing a deus ex machina in form of Medivh to survive the Trolls. And all of that happened despite Stormwind enjoying centuries, if not millennia, of prosperity prior to that. You don't become a super power after three wars like that. You become 18th century Poland, partitioned by your neighbors.

In WoW written by aging metal fans and necrophiliacs, sure. In WC3, they made Grom Hellscream crap his pants.

From exhaustion. After killing so many of them they had to run away crying to Cenarius.

I still don't get why they didn't just march them through the dark portal and just guard the portal better.

Because Bllizzard could never write a war properly.

AKA the excuse for not exterminating the Horde despite them being mad dogs. MoP also gave us social Darwinism, praising how war and conflict weed out the weak. What a great message.

Alliance started a global conflict with the Horde during two ongoing extinction level events. They are the mad dog. As such, by your own reasoning, they should have been exterminated and Sylvanas was only doing the world a favor.

But the orcs being there did not change a lot of things. Ner'zhul was already ordered to focus on Lordaeron, and he already wanted to corrupt Arthas, years before the orcs rebelled. Thus the general strategy of corrupting Arthas (using the Cult to spread the plague, making him cross a terrible threshold, luring him to Northrend) would not change. If anything it'd be even harder to carry out his plan because now the Alliance of Lordaeron would be able to devote all of its resources to the north.

The orcs being there was relevant only to the execution of Ner'zhul's plan. He had devised his masterplan long before the orcs rebelled (so he didn't take them into account), and that is a fact that is stated by Kel'thuzad in WC3, in the interlude "The Revelation". So no, in this AU, Ner'zhul would still try to carry out his plan, but it would end poorly for him.

But he didn't want to corrupt Arthas in order to win against the humans. He wanted to corrupt Arthas in order to have a champion that was necessary for him to escape him imprisonment. The Scourge was ready for conventional war against the humans long before Ner'zhul set his eyes on Arthas. And there was nothing the humans could have done to win a conventional war against the Scourge. And with no Orcs there would be no Alliance of anything because the common threat that made the human kingdoms band together would no longer exist and they would all split apart.

Maybe. Keep in mind that without the Horde resurgent, the Alliance forces that followed Jaina (including at least one brigade each from Stormwind, Gilneas, Stromgarde, and Alterac) wouldn't have been crippled by Grom's rampage early in the Kalimdor theatre; moreover, the Alliance wouldn't have suffered further losses trying to fend the Horde off in other missions, and without the orcs clearcutting Ashenvale immediately setting the night elves against them, the Sentinels would be at full fighting strength, including Cenarius's aid.

Jaina alone would likely have had a better chance of establishing a coalition with the night elves early on given her penchant for diplomacy, and without Grom's rampage through Ashenvale, neither the Alliance forces or Sentinels would have had costly diversions dealing with his fuckery in general. So with both the Alliance forces that landed on Kalimdor and the Sentinels at full strength (without either having had to deal with losses incurred by dealing with the Warsong in particular), they still may have been able to hold Archimonde off long enough.

Night Elves would still have attacked the humans because of their shoot arrows first ask questions later mentality. Cenarius would still have gone down like a chump. And not only were the skirmishes between the Alliance and the Horde on Kalimdor minor, but you're arguing that you could take an entire faction that would later become one of the main global powers out of the anti-Legion coalition just because a city-state worth of humans would have suffered slightly less losses prior to the final fight. That's not exactly a favorable exchange here.

Where the main problem comes to play is later, after the Battle for Mt. Hyjal, as the Horde's additional troops proved invaluable in other theatres (namely the Might of Kalimdor, Blackrock Mountain, and Naxxramas, and later, the Outland and Northrend campaigns, at which point the Horde started to become a liability again as two Warchiefs went mad with power).

Alliance starting global conflicts with the Horde that directly led to two Warchiefs "going mad with power" during two different ongoing apocalypses would be the real liability here.

Yes, but just because you remove one distraction, does not mean that another wouldn't take it's place, or that the final outcome would miraculously turn out fine.

As @Timester has pointed out, without the Horde, there would be no need for the Alliance. And without that need, without a common enemy to unite them, it's likely that the various factions would simply end up being distracted by infighting.

Speaking of distractions, assuming the Alliance somehow miraculously remained in place and if Ner'zhul decided to wait for a new opportunity (though as I already noted in other posts the Scourge was prepared for a conventional war with the humans and there's nothing the humans could have done to win it), he wouldn't even need to wait that long. Shortly after that things went to shit in Gnomereggan with Gnomes not asking for help only because the rest of the Alliance was already busy with the Scourge. With Scourge still lying in wait the Gnomes would have requested that aid. Which means not only would the Alliance be distracted anyway, their armies would be far away from the entire subcontinent of Lordaeron. Which would only make things even easier for the Lich King.

[Ardenaso]

"What would have happend if Terenas decided to outright kill the orcs?" - Might wanna read up on the plot for Warcraft 3

I did. I played Warcraft 3 since I 2006.

[Mehrunes]

Not really. There is no indication that the Alliance was going to break after the Second War. If anything it's the opposite, members like Stromgarde, Gilneas, and Quel'thalas, who did not agree with the internment camps, would have remained in the Alliance.

Quel'Thalas never wanted to be in the Alliance. And Gilneas and Stromgarde didn't leave just over the Orcs. They also had the issue of Alterac, which both of them wanted for themselves. Your position is not grounded in the lore whatsoever. Let alone politics, because states don't remain in alliances just because.

I still don't see why you would think that? Especially when some kingdoms (like, ironically, Gilneas) genuinely wanted to be closer with each other. There was this sense of cooperation with humans before the Second War even started, and it's the reason why Gilneas joined the Alliance, because they wanted closer trade relationships with the other nations. If that was true for the most isolationist Human kingdom, then it was probably true for most other nations too.

You mean the Gilneas that bickered with everyone? The Gilneas that was against the Alliance to begin with, believing that their forces would be alone to win against the Orcs? That joined only because they wanted to maintain trade relations? There was no sense of cooperation prior to the Second War. Stormwind's cries for help were ignored until the rest felt the threat of the Horde coming after them. Alterac, Gilneas and Stromgarde clashed with each other and had border issues. Gilneas also had some issues with Kul Tiras.

[yani9841]

A lot of things would've changed. The Cult of the Damned's success in spreading the plague comes down to the orcs distracting the Alliance of Lordaeron with their rebellion. We can see in the very intro of the Human campaign that the Alliance did not have any concern for the plague that was spreading in the north due to the orcs attacking their doorsteps. If the orcs had been slaughtered at the end of the Second War, there wouldn't have been any orcish insurrection, thus the Alliance of Lordaeron could have devoted their full attention to countering the spread of the plague.

Defeating the Legion would've been very easy. Without the Scourge to summon him, Archimonde would've never invaded. Simple. The Alliance of Lordaeron had the means to easily stop the spread of the plague if they had actually focused on it before it was too late.

my god... you seem to think that the orcs were the main reason everything went to shit?

We don't have nay reason to think they would have cared about Medivh's warnings regardless...

Honestly, if the orcs would have been slaughtered, they might not have meekly allowed themselves to be captured whole sale and might have fought back causing even MORE damage. Cult of the Damned might still have worked behind the scenes anyways and might have only delayed the fall of the established alliances by a few months/years.

[Ardenaso]

The High Elves didn't leave because of the internment camps. They left because they didn't want to be in the Alliance in the first place and human had to coin in a 3000 years old vow to make them join. Them joining in for the Second War fulfilled that vow and with Lothar biting the dust they were no longer bound by it as he was the last member of the line of Arathor.

Yep. They blamed Terenas for "not defeating the Horde good enough" and that they had to reach their lands.

Gilneas and Stromgarde didn't leave just over the Orcs. The Alterac conundrum was the other factor. And with Terenas not willing to give Alterac lands to either of them they likely still would have left. After all, with Orcs gone there would be nothing really keeping them together anymore.

That's weird, in Day of the Dragon; Isiden Perenolde sought help for Gilneas in the Alterac power struggle. Also, Stromgarde demanded Southshore, which was a Lordaeron territory (I made a debate about this in reddit that Southshore, Durnholde, and Tarren Mill were once Alteraci lands but I lost, sadly).

I found nothing on the Barovs' teaming up with Kel'thuzad being linked to the Orcs.

I read somewhere that they were one of the hardest hit because Caer Darrow was ransacked and massacre, and the Elven Druidic Runestone (what's it doing there, anyway?) was dingdonged by Gul'dan. When Terenas taxed them further for Internment Camps, obviously they didn't like it and so they sought for new power.

The farmers would still have suffered because serfdom for starters. Living Orcs or not the human kingdoms would still have been recuperating from war so Terenas would still have the anti-containment position in regards to the Plague because his people "already suffered enough".

And, finally, the Scourge was already prepared for war against the humans. Naxxramas was already raised from the ground and given to Kel'Thuzad. In the end it wasn't needed because they managed to win through subterfuge but even if things happened differently (though, as per the above reasons, I doubt they would to any serious degree), they would have gone with their initial option of war. If Kel'thuzad suddenly dropped Naxxramas on top of Lordaeron City there'd be very little the humans could have done against it. And with every dead human the ranks of the Scourge would have grown.

The whole escapade with Arthas was Ner'zhul's plan to foil the Legion and escape his prison. Not to win against the humans.

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[Varodoc]

my god... you seem to think that the orcs were the main reason everything went to shit?

We don't have nay reason to think they would have cared about Medivh's warnings regardless...

Honestly, if the orcs would have been slaughtered, they might not have meekly allowed themselves to be captured whole sale and might have fought back causing even MORE damage. Cult of the Damned might still have worked behind the scenes anyways and might have only delayed the fall of the established alliances by a few months/years.

At the end of the Second War, the orcs were in no position to fight back. That's why they were captured and put in camps in the first place.

Also why would they care about Medivh's warnings? If anything can you imagine the pain of moving an entire kingdom across the ocean? It would've been worse if they had listened to him, and the Lich King would've surely noticed the pattern and attacked them during the evacuation.

[yani9841]

Not really. There is no indication that the Alliance was going to break after the Second War. If anything it's the opposite, members like Stromgarde, Gilneas, and Quel'thalas, who did not agree with the internment camps, would have remained in the Alliance.

Quel'thalas was already on the outs before the second war was on their doorstep and only stepped in because of an old agreement with a nation not really present anymore and the insistence of a certain vocal archer of note...Stromgarde didn't fall out with the Alliance, the city was lost... Gilneas bailed because Genn was making repeat attempts and stealing power over Alterac and sealed his nation away to keep out the plague

At the same time what you say in WC3 is the culmination of 3 years Kel'thuzad spent building the Cult. The Cult got influence in the first place because the people of Lordaeron were angry with the King due to the high taxes to fund the camps. Thus, if the orcs were exterminated, Kel'thuzad's influence in Lordaeron would have been reduced drastically.

Then you'd still have people angry over the fact that the local forces weren't able to deal with the scattered bands of orcs (still a thing going into vanilla). There still remain other options for the cult to jump in on, like the fallen remnants of Alterac literally no on

I still don't see why you would think that? Especially when some kingdoms (like, ironically, Gilneas) genuinely wanted to be closer with each other.

Pause... Good Boy Genn was posturing to put a puppet on the throne of Alterac so he could control things...

[yani9841]

At the end of the Second War, the orcs were in no position to fight back. That's why they were captured and put in camps in the first place.

You seem to be confusing that they lacked united organization as that they would be easy pickings... the death throws of a fighting force going ham for "Death Before Dishonor". Some random farmers recruited from the local township vs what's left of giant monster berzerkers trained for life to kill or die trying...

They would fight tooth and nail and the farmers would break while whatever remained of the main fighting force composing the Alliance's military would be off trying to settle things where the king deemed more important.

Also why would they care about Medivh's warnings?

It was the main indicator that the cult was something more... and it fell on deaf ears, you claim they ignored the threat largely because orcs... but that's not the full answer.

If anything can you imagine the pain of moving an entire kingdom across the ocean? It would've been worse if they had listen to him, and the Lich King would've surely noticed the pattern and attacked them during the evacuation.

with what? a few ghouls and some cultists?

[Ardenaso]

Alterac, Gilneas and Stromgarde clashed with each other and had border issues

Alterac: Hey Lordaeron, can we swim and meet new friends?

Lordaeron: oh fuck no

Alterac: fuck you, betrayal it is, then

Lordaeron: no, fuck you; you're surrounded on all sides

In all seriousness, I wonder what happened to Isiden Perenolde? My headcanon states that he is the main enemy boss in The Brothers Stormrage. It's possible since he could've been shut off and he then settled around in Pyrewood until he got killed and raised as a Death Knight. It's even reinforced by the fact that one of generic Death Knight's names in WC3 melee matchmaking is Baron Perenolde

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As @Timester has pointed out, without the Horde, there would be no need for the Alliance. And without that need, without a common enemy to unite them, it's likely that the various factions would simply end up being distracted by infighting.

Speaking of "Without the Horde" there's a custom game in WC3 called Kingdoms of Azeroth made by Panfuricus in an alternate timeline where the Orcs never entered Azeroth in the first place.

Now we need a new one where the Orcs did enter but Terenas agreed to genocide the survivors instead after the Second War

[Arikara]

At the end of the Second War, the orcs were in no position to fight back. That's why they were captured and put in camps in the first place.

Ignorant drivel. The orcs surrendered because they had just woken up from their demon-induced Bloodlust for the first time in a long, long while, not because they were incapable of fighting on. They lost all motivation to fight, not the means to do so.

If they had gotten wind that the humans were planning to murder them all in cold blood, they would have had every reason to fight on, and Durotan and Grom would have rallied them and driven them to fight tooth and nail for their own survival.

As it is, they got to wallow in the internment camps for a good long while and think about what they did while influenced by the Bloodlust, which left them open and very receptive to Thrall's idea of the new Horde when he freed them from the internment camps and became the new Warchief.

It wasn't until years later that that idiot Garrosh—who had never gone through any of that—brought out old orcish ideas of supremacy and conquest that things took a turn for the worse. The only reason it worked at all is because the writers handwaved the orcish veterans of the first and second wars to apparently be in the minority because the writers had a story to tell and weren't going to be slowed down by silly nonsense such as that.

[Varodoc]

Ignorant drivel. The orcs surrendered because they had just woken up from their demon-induced Bloodlust for the first time in a long, long while, not because they were incapable of fighting on. They lost all motivation to fight, not the means to do so.

If they had gotten wind that the humans were planning to murder them all in cold blood, they would have had every reason to fight on, and Durotan and Grom would have rallied them and driven them to fight tooth and nail for their own survival.

As it is, they got to wallow in the internment camps for a good long while and think about what they did while influenced by the Bloodlust, which left them open and very receptive to Thrall's idea of the new Horde when he freed them from the internment camps and became the new Warchief.

It wasn't until years later that that idiot Garrosh—who had never gone through any of that—brought out old orcish ideas of supremacy and conquest that things took a turn for the worse. The only reason it worked at all is because the writers handwaved the orcish veterans of the the first and second wars to apparently be in the minority because the writers had a story to tell and weren't going to be slowed down by silly nonsense such as that.

It doesn't matter why they surrendered because they still surrendered to the Alliance's judgement. If they ever realized that the Alliance would offer them no mercy then it'd be too late. The Alliance could literally just put them into camps, giving them the false illusion that they are just being captured, only to kill them shortly after.

[Timester]

I still don't see why you would think that? Especially when some kingdoms (like, ironically, Gilneas) genuinely wanted to be closer with each other. There was this sense of cooperation with humans before the Second War even started, and it's the reason why Gilneas joined the Alliance, because they wanted closer trade relationships with the other nations. If that was true for the most isolationist Human kingdom, then it was probably true for most other nations too.

... what?

Where did you read that? It's the complete opposite of Greymane's vision for Gilneas.

Don't make things up just to win a point.

[Terongor]

Kel'thuzad had been gathering followers for 3 years, at the same time when the orcs were breaking from their internment camps. Also Kel'thuzad and the Cult revealed themselves only after the Lich King believed the perfect moment to strike had come, so it's the opposite of what you said. The Lich King's plan relied a lot on the orcs' success.

Furthermore, Kel'thuzad's success in finding any follower at all is only because Terenas was taxing the shit out of his people to fund the internment camps. If the orcs had just been exterminated, nobody would be angry with Terenas and thus Kel'thuzad would hardly have any follower.

It wasn't only the taxes it was much area orcs burned and killed and thus they had to rebuild in many ways and Terenas taxed the shit out of them because of stormwind and nethergarde were rebuild out of their money so handful of interment camps are smaller than an entire kingdom.

Still many influental families like Baroves would have joined cult in their quest for immortality and its unlikely helf would stayed in the alliance chronicles 2 descripef elves felt abadoned by the alliance even during second war when alliance whent after doomhammer and not help with the trolls.

Also there still would have being warsong clan, Katrana and daval prestor manipulating alliance, dragonmaw, Frostwolfs, followers of rend. Lastly alliance expedition in draenor.

As such Gilneas would have left and build the wall because of godfrey and prestors. Stromgarde might have stayed, alterac was already in ruins and silvermoon gone.
Ironforge, KT and SW same as they were earlier.

Saying events of the day of the dragons would go the same would be streching it.

As such warsong clan, blacktooth grin, shattered hand and dragonmaw would be still there.

[Varodoc]

... what?

Where did you read that? It's the complete opposite of Greymane's vision for Gilneas.

Don't make things up just to win a point.

No. It's mentioned in Lord of His Pack (Greymane's short story) that he sent aid to the Alliance because he wanted closer trade relationship with the other kingdoms.

[Timester]

King Genn Greymane: “Indeed, Crowley. I do understand your fears here. I do. But these… orcs,… as they’re called, have come nowhere near our lands. Not a drop of Gilnean blood has been shed. My heart bleeds for Stormwind, for young Prince Varian and this hero, Lothar. It truly does. But should I commit my people to a similar fate? Is even one Gilnean life worth sacrificing for a cause that does not affect him?” Genn was passionate. This orc menace was something new and strange, but he wasn’t altogether certain that this was a threat that his industrious people would have a problem putting in check on their own. The orcs were just brutes, after all. Demi-beings. Monsters.

Crowley: “Lord, as you’ve described, the other nations seem eager to assist. If Trollbane, Perenolde, and the rest partake, I do not know how we can rightfully call ourselves neighbors or friends if we do not join with them,” Crowley continued. Genn understood why he was so beloved. His words were spoken with acute vigor. There were no political angles at play -- just a man concerned for his fellow men. Genn respected him no matter how misguided he was. Crowley couldn’t possibly understand the folly of his sympathy, what it could actually lead to. He did not see that his own people, above all else, needed to be accounted for first. He was young and newer among the nobility.

King Genn Greymane: “My father never thought that the future of our people was bound to which way Lordaeron, Stromgarde, and Alterac leaned. Some are strong, Lord Crowley, and some are weak. It is the way of things. We Gilneans are strong, and Gilneans must watch over our own pack first and foremost.” Genn had them now. He could see the nodding heads. He could see the nobles imagining the first reports back from the front lines, the cries of mothers who had lost sons. He could see them actually weighing the cost in life that Terenas and Lothar’s request would bear.

Godfrey: “On the other hand, my lord. Perhaps to stay in the good graces of our sister kingdoms, ensuring that future trade and tariffs remain stable, we should send a small force. One to show them what even the slightest addition of the Gilnean military can do. We have our standing militia prepared to assault peripheral enemies. Let us use it.”



It was Godfrey that brought the point of sending the 1st Militia, so tariffs would remain the same. Not because Greymane or Godfrey actually cared about the Horde, they were opportunists. With the Horde running around, obviously the trade would suffer.

Your complete lack of politics knowledge is what is hindering your scenario.

Without the orcs, Genn would retreat the 1st Militia and actually be more concerned with what he truly wanted, part of Alterac.

The entire point of the short story was to show how stubborn, proud and isolationist the Gilneans are.

[Varodoc]

King Genn Greymane: “Indeed, Crowley. I do understand your fears here. I do. But these… orcs,… as they’re called, have come nowhere near our lands. Not a drop of Gilnean blood has been shed. My heart bleeds for Stormwind, for young Prince Varian and this hero, Lothar. It truly does. But should I commit my people to a similar fate? Is even one Gilnean life worth sacrificing for a cause that does not affect him?” Genn was passionate. This orc menace was something new and strange, but he wasn’t altogether certain that this was a threat that his industrious people would have a problem putting in check on their own. The orcs were just brutes, after all. Demi-beings. Monsters.

Crowley: “Lord, as you’ve described, the other nations seem eager to assist. If Trollbane, Perenolde, and the rest partake, I do not know how we can rightfully call ourselves neighbors or friends if we do not join with them,” Crowley continued. Genn understood why he was so beloved. His words were spoken with acute vigor. There were no political angles at play -- just a man concerned for his fellow men. Genn respected him no matter how misguided he was. Crowley couldn’t possibly understand the folly of his sympathy, what it could actually lead to. He did not see that his own people, above all else, needed to be accounted for first. He was young and newer among the nobility.

King Genn Greymane: “My father never thought that the future of our people was bound to which way Lordaeron, Stromgarde, and Alterac leaned. Some are strong, Lord Crowley, and some are weak. It is the way of things. We Gilneans are strong, and Gilneans must watch over our own pack first and foremost.” Genn had them now. He could see the nodding heads. He could see the nobles imagining the first reports back from the front lines, the cries of mothers who had lost sons. He could see them actually weighing the cost in life that Terenas and Lothar’s request would bear.

Godfrey: “On the other hand, my lord. Perhaps to stay in the good graces of our sister kingdoms, ensuring that future trade and tariffs remain stable, we should send a small force. One to show them what even the slightest addition of the Gilnean military can do. We have our standing militia prepared to assault peripheral enemies. Let us use it.”



It was Godfrey that brought the point of sending the 1st Militia, so tariffs would remain the same. Not because Greymane or Godfrey actually cared about the Horde, they were opportunists. Your complete lack of politics knowledge is what is hindering your scenario.

Without the orcs, Genn would retreat the 1st Militia and actually be more concerned with what he truly wanted, part of Alterac.

The entire point of the short story was to show how stubborn, proud and isolationist the Gilneans are.

"To stay in good graces of our sister kingdoms", why would he want that if he did not care about the other kingdoms? To which Greymane agreed, because he listened to him.

[Timester]

"To stay in good graces of our sister kingdoms", why would he want that if he did not care about the other kingdoms? To which Greymane agreed, because he listened to him.

You know who is Godfrey, right? He was commanding the militia, sending the First Militia was a political movement to gain power on Gilneas.

That's what you keep ignoring, that all these human nobles (not the kings) had their own plans.

Heck, I can see the Cult of the Damned reaching Blackmoore so he could rise a rebellion against the Alliance, which was always his plans. But Thrall killed him. No orcs, Blackmoore is alive and free to do it so.

[Varodoc]

You know who is Godfrey, right? He was commanding the militia, sending the First Militia was a political movement to gain power on Gilneas.

That's what you keep ignoring, that all these human nobles (not the kings) had their own plans.

Heck, I can see the Cult of the Damned reaching Blackmoore so he could rise a rebellion against the Alliance, which was always his plans. But Thrall killed him. No orcs, Blackmoore is alive and free to do it so.

There is no indication that Godfrey was lying about his intention to remain in good terms with the other nations. Also Blackmoore wanted to rebel because he could muster an army of orcs.

[Frozenbeef]

Deathwing would have killed everyone, n'zoth would be free, Azeroth nuked by ulduar/ forge of origination

Burning legion and void lords continue to wage war.

[Kyphael]

Humans would have probably developed a taste for Orc flesh.