BWL world first progression thread

[mauserr]

42 minutes

CLASSIC RAIDING OMEGALUL

[Josyel]

Blackwing Lair Cleared in 42 Minutes!

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA Classic is so hard, only for true hardcore players!

[Tekkommo]

Can't wait for naxx to also get blown over so that this "but it's 1.12" can go away.

Sure if it wasn't 1.12 it would take slightly longer but it would just be a minor inconvenince. The real reasons are the knowledge and the raids themselves were not that hard to begin with.

Naxx was not cleared pre 1.12.

[Xath]

How can you even argue this point. Classic has literal 1 button specs and bosses are tank&spank with 1 ability per fight. Even the simplest retail spec has infinitely more complexity than any classic spec and even LFR bosses are more complex than Classic bosses. This has nothing to do with 15 years or talents. You could boot up a fresh classic style raid onto retail servers and any serious mythic guild (not just Limit or Method) would one shot most bosses, simply because their design is so very basic.
And I'm saying this as someone who actually plays Classic, but I do so in the understanding that the game is a meme and the only thing it can give you is some fun with people from way back when.

There is no complexity in retail specs rofl there wasn't in vanilla either. Maybe fire mage but outside the tricks you can do on fire mage there is very low complexity if you can play one class in retail to it's maximum you can play others just as well. You want to talk about specs with depth we need to go back to MoP hell WoD had more depth than retail.

[OrcsRLame]

Imagine a person doing 1hour or 30 minutes run of a game like dark souls running around shouting everywhere that "the game is so easy, i bet you i could beat it in 1 hour when it came out." That's exactly what this thread is like.

I'm pretty sure that anyone shitting on vanilla wouldn't fare much better 15 years ago when we played this new game for the first time. Of course disregarding the little fact that most of those posters couldn't probably read or write at that point in time

That would be an analogous situation if over the last 12+ years Dark Souls 1 could not be played legally, and you had all the old Dark Souls 1 players yelling at the top of their lungs for a decade about how ever boss in DS1 in the base game is harder than Slave Knight Gale on NG+6.

[kranur]

Naxx was not cleared pre 1.12.

That exactly the point. Pre-naxx content being a joke is blamed a lot on the game being on 1.12

[Xath]

Did you miss the constant threads since Classic got announced with private server clowns claiming that Vanilla/Classic is so much harder than live?

Classic isn't vanilla. Not saying Vanilla was hard it was marketed as the easy mmo but classic is definitely not vanilla.

[Fiacla]

Guys relax

Sure BWL was cleared in 42 mins after months of waiting and farming MC but surely this means Classic+ is a sure thing right...?

[mauserr]

Classic isn't vanilla. Not saying Vanilla was hard it was marketed as the easy mmo but classic is definitely not vanilla.

Just stop. Raids were always pathetically easy in Vanilla. The only difficulty, and difficulty being a generous word, was in preparation for the raids - the real word you'd use in that case is "grinding". Grinding was the issue. Raids and classes were mechanically kindergarten level.

If they re-released Vanilla perfectly untouched, it would probably take a bit longer for the raiders to get the necessary grind done, but the raids would still be cleared in record time because they were piss fucking easy.

I cleared it 15 years ago as well. It's easy to say it's been done before and it's not as complex as retails raids, so its easy. But you still gotta get positioning right. Threat is a major mechanic in classic that is all but non existent in retail. And you have to get 40 ppl on the same page.

I'm not pretending it's hard. I'm just stating that saying that the guilds in the best gear who have 1000s of hours of practice managed to beat it in 43 minutes, doesmt matter to the average classic raider.

Are you currently raiding in classic?

the average classic raider is an absolute fucking trashcan shitter that wouldn't clear heroic retail week1, that's why they struggle in fuckin classic raids, they are piss easy and that is a fact, FACT and once again FACTTTTTT

[OrcsRLame]

Classic isn't vanilla. Not saying Vanilla was hard it was marketed as the easy mmo but classic is definitely not vanilla.

It's a close enough facsimile that we know all the vanilla tards we've had to deal with over the last decade were talking shit out their ass. Which is what this is about, sweet sweet gloating.

[ellieg]

You could carry 25 people though BWL about 15 through AQ40 and 5ish through late naxx. If you are having multiple wipes half your raid team is likely functionally brain dead since you have videos and iron clad strategies that work now.

How fast did your guild kill nef?

[Keashaa]

How come after 16 days only 4 guilds have cleared new mythic raid on retail and after 1 day, yes 1 day, 550 guilds have cleared BWL?

How is this possible when classic is such a hardcore game only for the hardcore elite players?
Can it be that classic really just is a time consuming dog shit LFR mode game?

Well, your comparsion can be reduced to that one: "Back in the days programming a game was a hard task because ressources were limited, you had nearly no tools, etc." and if you want to program the same game today with all the tools, the unlimited ressources etc. of course that will be much easier and faster.

Even a marathon is easier today because of better shoes, better nutrition, better aid stations at the track, etc.

It's called progress.

[ellieg]

Just stop. Raids were always pathetically easy in Vanilla. The only difficulty, and difficulty being a generous word, was in preparation for the raids - the real word you'd use in that case is "grinding". Grinding was the issue. Raids and classes were mechanically kindergarten level.

If they re-released Vanilla perfectly untouched, it would probably take a bit longer for the raiders to get the necessary grind done, but the raids would still be cleared in record time because they were piss fucking easy.



the average classic raider is an absolute fucking trashcan shitter that wouldn't clear heroic retail week1, that's why they struggle in fuckin classic raids, they are piss easy and that is a fact, FACT and once again FACTTTTTT

How fast did your guild clear nef?

[anon5123]

Imagine caring about """world first""" in a re-release of a 15 year old game.

Yikes.

[arandomuser]

PREDICTION whoever logs in at reset with 40 people will clear the raid.

lul

do i get a prize?

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It's a close enough facsimile that we know all the vanilla tards we've had to deal with over the last decade were talking shit out their ass. Which is what this is about, sweet sweet gloating.

lol yeah there biggest excuse is " 1.12 isnt vanilla!

when naxx which was base released in 1.12 gets cleared in a day that will destroy their last bastion of " ClaSsIc WaS VeRyHaRd"

[ellieg]

Imagine caring about """world first""" in a re-release of a 15 year old game.

Yikes.

Imagine caring that other ppl care abt a world first in a rerelease of a 15 year old game so you have to go to a gaming forum to the subsection of that 15 year old game to log in and reply to a forum post to tell ppl what they are not supposed to care about. Riveting life you got there bud lmao

[Tekkommo]

lol yeah there biggest excuse is " 1.12 isnt vanilla!

when naxx which was base released in 1.12 gets cleared in a day that will destroy their last bastion of " ClaSsIc WaS VeRyHaRd"

Naxx was released in 1.11, but not cleared till 1.12.

[Lubefist]

Imagine caring that other ppl care abt a world first in a rerelease of a 15 year old game so you have to go to a gaming forum to the subsection of that 15 year old game to log in and reply to a forum post to tell ppl what they are not supposed to care about. Riveting life you got there bud lmao

I bet you actually thought you were onto something original there.

[OrcsRLame]

I dont understand this discussion about "but but its cleared in 60 minutes"

If Nyalotha would be re released 2 weeks (not 15 years after) after initial release there will be a few guilds to clear in a couple of hours (adjusted for boss count and overall length+ fights)

Not true, it'd still take a day or two.

And if you want to take it further, if Legion Tomb of Sargeras were released, pre nerf, it would take weeks to clear, even if they had some of the stuff from Argus.

We actually have seen situations analogous to that, because in retail you scale more in a single raid tier than a character does from dungeon gear to naxx gear in classic. So you can actually just compare the start of a tier vs the end of a tier, and while things get easier, they don't get so much easier that your average Joe can roll in and smash mythic.

There's still only 176 guilds that have killed mythic Uu'nat for example. That fight is over 1 tier old now. I expect to see maybe 300-500 more kills of that boss before Shadowlands comes out. That's with people gaining extra traits through corruption that in some cases account for more damage than all of their abilities, so more than a 100% damage buff after factoring in the extra gear from Ny'alotha as well.

There's already 565 kills of Nefarian on warcraftlogs. And that's gonna be under reported since wowprogress updates with the armory, but WCL requires you to upload data manually. This would be like guilds in Sunwell gear struggling really hard to clear ZG. That's how much power creep there is in BFA and how much of a brick wall Uu'nat still is.

The difference between retail raids and classic/vanilla raids is nutty.

[ellieg]

I bet you actually thought you were onto something original there.

Just pointing out the hypocrisy of telling ppl what they should care about. Some ppl are into 15 year old games. Some ppl are into commenting on forum posts on subjects they dont care about. To each their own.