Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[Dacien]

More foreign influence in our elections. You know what to do folks, let's call this out and shut it down.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/canadians-...-sh&soc_trk=tw

[Orbitus]

Be careful what you wish for...you just might get it.

And now you are pushing fake news. WHY THE FUCK AM I NOT SURPRISED?

How about you post the whole video with full fucking context.

https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/s...99050805780481

[Thepersona]

Socialism is the utopia of the underachiever!

Who let this burner account up?

[Saucexorzski]

More foreign influence in our elections. You know what to do folks, let's call this out and shut it down.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/canadians-...-sh&soc_trk=tw

well i guess Canada is now a russian asset. who knew?

[shimerra]

well i guess Canada is now a russian asset. who knew?

I know you guys are stupid. But please. You're better than this. Well you're not. But Dacien at least pretends to be.
[Infraction]

[NineSpine]

Basically Ron Paul groupies trying to get Kevin Smith to write, "Anti Establishment State: The Sequel"

Legalize Weed, lower muh taxes, and healthcare magic that's anything but Obamacare.

PS Speaking of magical thinking.
After Super Tuesday, Bernie Br☼s: "Wait until Michigan! Wait until the Rust Belt."

Today's Michigan's numbers look really bad for Bernie. Rust belt voters just like Biden more.

#NobodyLikesBernie
#HillaryWasRight

Is that why Bernie has the highest favorability ratings of every candidate that ran?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ry-candidates/

But go ahead, run the establishment candidate with a terrible record who doesn't inspire anyone again. It worked so well in 2016.

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I'm saying that the legislative and judiciary are more important than who is POTUS.
If you swing the house and senate. As well as getting state legislatures etc. You get shit done. Having had a 66 seat Blue Senate you could have made Trump sign the fucking M4A while crying crocodile tears.
If M4A is so darn important. Start working on your state. Then if Alabama doesn't get it at least a part of the nation will.

This is what I'm saying. Don't hang your horses on a man who sucks at politics but is good at being somewhat a head of the curve in his ideals.
That's the only thing Mr Sanders has going for him. Having been ahead of the curve policy wise.
As a legislature he's been crap, so why do you think him being POTUS will change that?

I'll take the guy who voted for the right things (and against the wrong things) over the person who is "accomplished" because they voted for the Iraq War and tax cuts for rich people every single day of the week.

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lol yeah sure. We know his record, not to mention his racism against muslims and his hatred of the poor.
But hey, keep supporting people that prefer killing off tons of poor people and bombing brown kids so that a few people at the top can make some more money.

Are you describing Biden or Trump? I genuinely can't tell, and that's the problem.

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Uuuuuhhh what?????

I think life will improve under Biden but thats very unrelated to what I said. WhatbI said was that if you stopped being so obsessed with Bernie's dick then maybe you wouldnt be such a toxic bernie bro and enjoy life better

Life will not improve under Biden. It's a joke to think otherwise.

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Meanwhile from your fellow Bernie Cultist ilk, you know, some of the most privileged people in this country:



Imagine being so privileged that you can just offhandedly dismiss LGBT people and women literally having their human rights stripped away as a result of your actions chasing something that will literally never happen, even if Sanders wins, without a second thought.

Is Sanders going to stop mass murdering brown people in the Middle East? No? Then how about you shut the fuck up about the poor marginalized minorities you pretend to care about. Thanks.

[NED funded]

And the people who are at risk of dying due to Biden's policies are not going your side... ever.

Ok dude who has probably never met an american and is literally on the other side of the ocean

[NineSpine]

Ok dude who has probably never met an american and is literally on the side of the ocean

I live in America, and I work primarily in the Middle East. I've seen the aftermath of the drone warfare Biden has supported. I've spoken to the families. I've seen the people missing limbs who start crying and cowering every time they see a plane, because of the PTSD from seeing their family and friends blown to pieces.

Those people do not matter to you, because they are not American.

[Milchshake]

Is that why Bernie has the highest favorability ratings of every candidate that ran?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ry-candidates/

But go ahead, run the establishment candidate with a terrible record who doesn't inspire anyone again. It worked so well in 2016.


Life will not improve under Biden. It's a joke to think otherwise.

Well Biden is doing actual work; building a coalition.


Is Bernie even running to Win?
Last week his aides admitted that Bernie was/is running to only win 30% in the primaries. Hoping the field would remain divided that this 30% would be a plurality (again, Sanders is stuck on magical thinking!)
I’m at a loss about what the 30% campaign is even trying to do at this point:

Amid this parade of support at a Flint town-hall-style event on Saturday night, Mr. Sanders looked on, largely silent — at least when it came to wooing the black voters whose strong backing of a rival candidate could once again cost Mr. Sanders the Democratic presidential nomination.

Sanders campaign aides had billed the event as an opportunity for him to make a case directly to black voters for why they should support him over Mr. Biden. But the audience ended up being overwhelmingly white, and Mr. Sanders made so few overtures directly to black voters that the event seemed unlikely to pull large numbers of African-Americans away from Mr. Biden.

Mr. Sanders’s relative silence was deliberate, those involved in the event said. The guest speakers — several of whom were flown into Flint by the campaign — decided before the event that it would be better to let them discuss the issues affecting their communities than the man running for president to represent them.

Mr. Sanders opted not to deliver the speech that he had spent much of the day crafting, according to aides, who declined to describe the message he had hoped to communicate.

It's like Bernie is purposely running a divisive campaign. It allows him to permanently rake in "i hate the DNC" bucks.

Bernie: $300+ million to come in second in Iowa. I guess flying on private jets becomes addictive.

Socialists with small fleets of private jets! Very on point for the Castro and Chavez wannabees.

[NED funded]

More foreign influence in our elections. You know what to do folks, let's call this out and shut it down.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/canadians-...-sh&soc_trk=tw

I've noticed it as a trend too. For some reason foreigners are weirdly obsessed with the politics of a party they literally don't have stake in.

There was a story Reuters ran about an Irish dude that literally immigrated to the US in order to campaign for Sanders, he did this while Ireland was having elections of their own.

These people should really focus on their own politics and then look abroad. Its annoying because they are then the people that are most insane on social media

[JohnBrown1917]

Love it how the right-wingers on this forum now label everybody to the left of the center as cultists, that is a very normal take.

[Draco-Onis]

I didn't vote for Trump last election...but will most likely vote for him this November.

Not believing you aside it doesn't render my premise false you were going to vote for him regardless of who won the democratic nomination.

[NineSpine]

Well Biden is doing actual work; building a coalition.


Is Bernie even running to Win?
Last week his aides admitted that Bernie was/is running to only win 30% in the primaries. Hoping the field would remain divided that this 30% would be a plurality (again, Sanders is stuck on magical thinking!)
I’m at a loss about what the 30% campaign is even trying to do at this point:

Amid this parade of support at a Flint town-hall-style event on Saturday night, Mr. Sanders looked on, largely silent — at least when it came to wooing the black voters whose strong backing of a rival candidate could once again cost Mr. Sanders the Democratic presidential nomination.

Sanders campaign aides had billed the event as an opportunity for him to make a case directly to black voters for why they should support him over Mr. Biden. But the audience ended up being overwhelmingly white, and Mr. Sanders made so few overtures directly to black voters that the event seemed unlikely to pull large numbers of African-Americans away from Mr. Biden.

Mr. Sanders’s relative silence was deliberate, those involved in the event said. The guest speakers — several of whom were flown into Flint by the campaign — decided before the event that it would be better to let them discuss the issues affecting their communities than the man running for president to represent them.

Mr. Sanders opted not to deliver the speech that he had spent much of the day crafting, according to aides, who declined to describe the message he had hoped to communicate.

It's like Bernie is purposely running a divisive campaign. It allows him to permanently rake in "i hate the DNC" bucks.

Bernie: $300+ million to come in second in Iowa. I guess flying on private jets becomes addictive.

Socialists with small fleets of private jets! Very on point for the Castro and Chavez wannabees.

Biden is doing a hell of job building a coalition by telling everyone that challenges him to vote for Trump, telling rich donors that "nothing will change" if he wins, and saying that he has no sympathy for the challenges young people face. Hell of a coalition-building attitude right there.

[NED funded]

Is that why Bernie has the highest favorability ratings of every candidate that ran?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ry-candidates/

But go ahead, run the establishment candidate with a terrible record who doesn't inspire anyone again. It worked so well in 2016.

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I'll take the guy who voted for the right things (and against the wrong things) over the person who is "accomplished" because they voted for the Iraq War and tax cuts for rich people every single day of the week.

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Are you describing Biden or Trump? I genuinely can't tell, and that's the problem.

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Life will not improve under Biden. It's a joke to think otherwise.

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Is Sanders going to stop mass murdering brown people in the Middle East? No? Then how about you shut the fuck up about the poor marginalized minorities you pretend to care about. Thanks.

Can you explain why do you think life won't improve under Biden???

Even if you prefer M4A over the ACA public option for any number of reasons, the second one is pretty much an improvement over the current plan.

[NineSpine]

Can you explain why do you think life won't improve under Biden???

Even if you prefer M4A over the ACA public option for any number of reasons, the second one is pretty much an improvement over the current plan.

Because there is a 0% chance that Biden (who is going to lose to Trump anyway) would ever do anything with healthcare that hurts the insurance companies in any way whatsoever. He is not going to do anything that addresses cost. He is not going to do anything that raises taxes on wealthy people. Get real.

[NED funded]

Because there is a 0% chance that Biden (who is going to lose to Trump anyway) would ever do anything with healthcare that hurts the insurance companies in any way whatsoever. He is not going to do anything that addresses cost. He is not going to do anything that raises taxes on wealthy people. Get real.

Ok, so you are cultist. Gotcha.

[NineSpine]

Can you explain why do you think life won't improve under Biden???

Even if you prefer M4A over the ACA public option for any number of reasons, the second one is pretty much an improvement over the current plan.

The actual real fundamental problems in our country were caused by people like Biden, and Biden has shown zero interest in changing course. You can appeal to all these phony empty promises about making changes around the edges, but none of that is going to change forty years of stagnant wages, skyrocketing healthcare (and college and housing) costs, the lack of prosecution of white collar crimes, or any of the other very serious real problems this country has. Biden is one of the architects of these issues. These issues are who he is. The idea that he is going to fix a single genuine thing is absurd.

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Ok, so you are cultist. Gotcha.

"Oh shit I've run out of arguments... UH YOU ARE A CULTIST!"

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Biden stripped bankruptcy protections from regular people on behalf of credit card companies that funded him in Delaware. You people are absolutely deranged thinking that he is going to make the country a better place. He is a monster.

[JohnBrown1917]

The actual real fundamental problems in our country were caused by people like Biden, and Biden has shown zero interest in changing course. You can appeal to all these phony empty promises about making changes around the edges, but none of that is going to change forty years of stagnant wages, skyrocketing healthcare (and college and housing) costs, the lack of prosecution of white collar crimes, or any of the other very serious real problems this country has. Biden is one of the architects of these issues. These issues are who he is. The idea that he is going to fix a single genuine thing is absurd.

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"Oh shit I've run out of arguments... UH YOU ARE A CULTIST!"

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Biden stripped bankruptcy protections from regular people on behalf of credit card companies that funded him in Delaware. You people are absolutely deranged thinking that he is going to make the country a better place. He is a monster.

Everybody who does not lick the billionaires boots is a cultist, duh.

[NED funded]

Biden stripped bankruptcy protections from regular people on behalf of credit card companies that funded him in Delaware. You people are absolutely deranged thinking that he is going to make the country a better place. He is a monster.

There is nothing I can say when you built a delusion that only reinforces itself when presented with arguments

If I give you the policies listed on Biden's page, the statements he has made over the years or anything like that you are just going to say he is lying and that he is basically a republican or something like that. Nothing anyone could say or present to you will change your mind. That is cult mentality

[Grapemask]

You're probably exactly right that Biden wouldn't deliver a health care plan that resolves core problems, but is that really worth a second term of this?

I think a lot of people might argue that if one more term of this pushes voters to finally fix the problem, rather than continue putting it on hold indefinitely, it's worth the short term sacrifice. Which obviously doesn't sit well with those who get "sacrificed," but the other side would argue they've been sacrificed for decades, too. The reason I've quoted MLK about 93 times in this thread is because these are all eerily similar arguments to those he spoke out against, and the concept that holding a negative peace of order over seeking a positive peace of justice is far more harmful in the long term.