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I've enjoyed the videos of Steve Shives in the past, in particular his "Trek, Actually" series, but recently he put out a video that has rubbed some people the wrong way. He speculated why someone center-right would be a Star Trek fan.
To which some other YouTubers like The Anti-Trekker responded...
I don't know what to think, honestly. I'm not a lefty on most things, but I've usually enjoyed Star Trek. I'm not sure who is right or wrong here.
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2020-05-11, 07:49 PM #1Banned
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Is Star Trek only for Lefties?
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2020-05-11, 07:50 PM #2Titan
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I have this gift.. maybe rare.. maybe not.. but when I am watching TV shows I don't instantly go for the politics within them and then use it to judge a show by. So it doesn't really come to mind. Since.. you know.. it is all fake anyway.
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2020-05-11, 07:56 PM #3Void Lord
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Are you comfortable with extreme right being represented by the Borg? You have to consider people who are writing this stuff. You know, the liberal arts and writing majors... what do you expect? People who read Ayn Rand would likely be the corporate goons, with most writers being flooded in school debt, over what the right calls useless diplomas.
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2020-05-11, 08:00 PM #4Banned
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The Borg represent the extreme right?
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I'd like to point out that since this was going to be a political discussion, I put it in the Politics thread and it was moved.
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2020-05-11, 08:01 PM #5Warchief
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Star Trek can appeal to the military minded folk (who regularly lean to the right).
It is definitely leftist in the political sense of things. Which is as it should be. It is the correct ideal, democratic communism.
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lol what? They seem pretty authoritarian-left to me. Originally Posted by Felya
A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don’t have one, you’ll probably never need one again.
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2020-05-11, 08:05 PM #7Dreadlord
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Except it's not a political discussion, it's a fucking TV show. Originally Posted by Hammerfest
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2020-05-11, 08:06 PM #8The Patient
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I'm with this guy that Star Trek always appealed to me as a military scifi show. The communism thing I can do without because we dont enjoy the benefits of infinite resources, and the ability to have everything we could possibly want. Originally Posted by Weeps
Idk. I'm right leaning and I love Star Trek. I dont let politics interfere with my enjoyment of entertainment.Last edited by raz98; 2020-05-11 at 08:10 PM.
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If you'd watched both videos, which is impossible since there hasn't been enough time since this thing was posted, you'd know better. Originally Posted by TrollHunter3000
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2020-05-11, 08:07 PM #10Warchief
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They are more AuthRight if you ask me. They serve a queen and do as she wills them. They do not think for themselves, just pawns of a big war machine. Originally Posted by Schattenlied
Basically North Korea.
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I agree with this, it mostly feels like a military show, the politcal and social bits of the show, while definitely present, mostly take a backseat to the military (ahem, "peacekeeping" part of starfleet. Originally Posted by raz98
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That's auth left, dude, they are basically what Stalinism is (which makes sense, considering the time period the Borg were written in, we were just starting to come out of the cold war). Complete centralized control of a communist military collective. Originally Posted by Weeps
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A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don’t have one, you’ll probably never need one again.
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2020-05-11, 08:15 PM #12Void Lord
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Yes, an authoritarian hive mind depended on a processor? I think so... robots tend to represent the right, due to demand for conformity and diversity of opinion being forbidden. Originally Posted by Hammerfest
I don’t know why it was moved, but I get where you are coming from. I’m following the subject...
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2020-05-11, 08:15 PM #13Pit Lord
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the borg is literally fascism carried to its extreme. theres nothing left about them. Originally Posted by Schattenlied
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The queen is the furor and there is a demand for conformity. Originally Posted by Schattenlied
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As I was typing the queen... I almost face palmed at why they might think it’s left. Originally Posted by NihilSustinet
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
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The Queen is Stalin and there's a demand for conformity. Originally Posted by Felya
See, I can do that too.A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don’t have one, you’ll probably never need one again.
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I've heard better arguments that they're the ultimate expression of Communism/Socialism. Originally Posted by Felya
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2020-05-11, 08:18 PM #17Void Lord
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Auth left is an oxymoron... Originally Posted by Schattenlied
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
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No it's not, it's literally what Soviet Russia was... If you think authoritarianism can't exist on the left you don't have a very good grasp of history. Originally Posted by Felya
A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don’t have one, you’ll probably never need one again.
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2020-05-11, 08:22 PM #19Void Lord
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Yes, because you ignore the facade of authoritarianism. The borg doesn’t have a say in the collective, there is no vote or social agreement. It’s predicated on the head, being right, above everything else. There is no free will, beyond the leader. You are confusing the communist collective representing the whole, versus the fascist whole being represented in strong leadership. Robots cannot be liberal, because they depend on programming, not progressing. Originally Posted by Hammerfest
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
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2020-05-11, 08:22 PM #20Immortal
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yeah no... one i don't put real-world politics into Sci-Fi shows (often). Star Trek (esp tng) tried to be a near utopian society in the core worlds that's all..... if you want to follow politics with it watch up to and including Picard and you will see that system broke down and is failing/failed.
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