"The enemy of all" Wasnt that the Legion?

[Amarys]

Which would have consequences, you choosing to ignore it is on you not Blizzard. Having sci-fi elements isn't bad... its been ingame since the fact the Orcs were described to be from another world. The things you people will be upset about.

So what exactly are the consequences then? When Garrosh used it, there were literally zero negative consequences to him. Hell, there's even a "cavern of time" with a bloody tour guide. There's just this rhetoric that history shouldn't be changed but it's not explained why and even if there are consequences, they most certainly aren't world ending so I don't think most factions would care.. especially if it would help to stop a world ending threat.

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While the Legion was an "enemy of all", as far as I can figure out, the only thing everyone, and I mean everyone, would hate would be Death. Death is truly the Enemy of Life.

Death is more like alternate life though. In WoW lore there is literally no difference between the living and the dead. The dead can heal, eat food, even lay eggs.. have babies? They just turn emo and start liking dark colors and stuff.

I'd say the only reason the Void doesn't like them is that the process of dying and turning into undead makes them immune to Voids greatest weapon.. those mind shenanigans, visions, madness, whispers etc.

[Raisei]

The Legion brought Death to countless worlds. These worlds are useless to the Void Lords now, but what Sylvanas and her new friend are trying to do is very likely worse. If left alone they would very like wipe out any life in the universe.

Both the Void Lords as well as the unnamed Light entities have fought the Legion, but it was at best a nuisance to them. Before the Void Lord Sargeras is nothing. If we consider how the Legion got beaten back by Mortals again and again and again, it is hard to believe that they ever would have suceeded in their goal.

This however is Death itself trying to take over and destroy the cosmic balance. If the Jailer succeeds the Universe will likely be completely dead and thus useless for both Void and Light that use it for their endless war. Hence why it is their shared enemy.

[Soon-TM]

@Fleugen very interesting points. That's why the main story of Legion and its overall lore were completely bonkers, even if there were some cool bits here and there.

[Shadowsgrace]

Death is part of life. As life is part of Death. Its the natural order which all things must go.

Doesn't mean people accept it, and I don't mean "Everyone". I try very hard to not use "exacts" like every or all, but the majority of sentient species fear dying.

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Not really. Death would mean decay. Decay would mean nothing. Nothing would mean Void. Void would mean...well...the Void Lords.

If anything, they're far worse than death, as they feast upon literal sorrow, grief, nothingness, etc. Something Death usually causes. Hell, the Void even tried consuming the Shadowlands at one point, according to some people at Bastion. So, if anything, the Void seems to want to devour everything.

Death doesn't me "decay", death ends in decay, it just a cycle. That which decays, feeds that which is born, it's the Cycle of Life and it's as old as time.

[Musta]

Doesn't mean people accept it, and I don't mean "Everyone". I try very hard to not use "exacts" like every or all, but the majority of sentient species fear dying.

Fear =/= enemy

[Shadowsgrace]

So what exactly are the consequences then? When Garrosh used it, there were literally zero negative consequences to him. Hell, there's even a "cavern of time" with a bloody tour guide. There's just this rhetoric that history shouldn't be changed but it's not explained why and even if there are consequences, they most certainly aren't world ending so I don't think most factions would care.. especially if it would help to stop a world ending threat.

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Death is more like alternate life though. In WoW lore there is literally no difference between the living and the dead. The dead can heal, eat food, even lay eggs.. have babies? They just turn emo and start liking dark colors and stuff.

I'd say the only reason the Void doesn't like them is that the process of dying and turning into undead makes them immune to Voids greatest weapon.. those mind shenanigans, visions, madness, whispers etc.

that's different, that's "living death", even the Undead fear dying, if you didn't do the Horde Campaign quest, you would have seen this exact thing play out, when Sylvanas killed an Undead "traitor".

[Soon-TM]

It's pretty obvious that void is the enemy of all. All = everything, void = nothing. The void wants to undo reality itself, make it so nothing exists at all.

So what about that quote "the Light has struck a pact with the enemy of all"? More "unreliable narrator" shenanigans?

[reploid]

So what about that quote "the Light has struck a pact with the enemy of all"? More "unreliable narrator" shenanigans?

That would be Death, and not Void. That prophecy refers to Calia menethil, undead lightforged. Death is the enemy of all.

[Soon-TM]

"For generation after generation, life bloomed across the ordered world of Azeroth. Nowhere was this more evident than in the dense woodlands around the Well of Eternity. The fount of Azeroth's arcane lifeblood accelerated the cycles of growth and rebirth. Before long, sentient beings evolved from the land's primitive life-forms."

From Chronicles.

Which means that evolution was started and fueled by titans, aka non-Darwinian evolution. Hell, some trolls would have never morphed into nelfs if it wasn't by the Well of Eternity's energy.

[Kufell]

Which means that evolution was started and fueled by titans, aka non-Darwinian evolution. Hell, some trolls would have never morphed into nelfs if it wasn't by the Well of Eternity's energy.

I don't see it as meaning that at all as it specifically says it accelerated factors that quickened the process, and because of that sentient beings came about a lot quicker. Just seems to me that there is a lot of factors at play on how life changes on Azeroth, evolution and adaption being among them.

Whether the natural evolution of species on Azeroth follows similar or all points of Darwin's theory of evolution, who knows? But evolution does seem to exist.

[FelPlague]

For me the mayor villain has always be Kil´jaeden. He corrupted the orcs, that cause Warcraft 1 and 2, He created the Lich King that cause Warcraft 3 and a lot more. Surely Sargeras was his boss and all of that, but he dosen´t do that much against Azeroth directly, so I don´t care that much about he as much as I care for Kil´jaeden. And the way he died in Legion was really disapointing for me.

he was and for a long time will be the most difficult fight int he game.
what did you want us to have to fight him multiple times, and each time it be the next hardest fight ever?

[Houle]

The Legion brought Death to countless worlds. These worlds are useless to the Void Lords now, but what Sylvanas and her new friend are trying to do is very likely worse. If left alone they would very like wipe out any life in the universe.

Both the Void Lords as well as the unnamed Light entities have fought the Legion, but it was at best a nuisance to them. Before the Void Lord Sargeras is nothing. If we consider how the Legion got beaten back by Mortals again and again and again, it is hard to believe that they ever would have suceeded in their goal.

This however is Death itself trying to take over and destroy the cosmic balance. If the Jailer succeeds the Universe will likely be completely dead and thus useless for both Void and Light that use it for their endless war. Hence why it is their shared enemy.

Yeah no. Chronicles describes the void lords as "envious" of the titans power, and that the titans were immune to their corruption. Also, sargeras knew about the void lords for quite some time before he went batshit. It was the possibility of a void titan that made him mad.

[korijenkins]

The Legions sole reason was to stop a void invasion and after the crusade Sargeras hoped life would take root uncorrupted again, so the legion wasn't really an enemy to all, just incredibly asinine in their motivation.

That's my entire issue with the Legion. They make more sense as a one-dimensional "conquer the universe" enemy. Trying to make them these moral individuals who were stopping the void invasion is really really bad.

[TheFirstOnes]

Doesn't mean people accept it, and I don't mean "Everyone". I try very hard to not use "exacts" like every or all, but the majority of sentient species fear dying.

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Death doesn't me "decay", death ends in decay, it just a cycle. That which decays, feeds that which is born, it's the Cycle of Life and it's as old as time.

I mean, okay? Light and Shadow existed before time, therefore practically making those forces even older than Death. Also, when people die, the afterlife still exists. It's not like it leads to actual nothingness. If anything, that means there's more shit for the Void to devour.

Also, can't have a cycle of life and death if the Void practically consumes those forces.

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That's my entire issue with the Legion. They make more sense as a one-dimensional "conquer the universe" enemy. Trying to make them these moral individuals who were stopping the void invasion is really really bad.

Tbf here, it was just Sargeras and a couple of his "chosen" that were on that mission. Literally every other demon just wanted to destroy shit.

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The Legion brought Death to countless worlds. These worlds are useless to the Void Lords now, but what Sylvanas and her new friend are trying to do is very likely worse. If left alone they would very like wipe out any life in the universe.

Both the Void Lords as well as the unnamed Light entities have fought the Legion, but it was at best a nuisance to them. Before the Void Lord Sargeras is nothing. If we consider how the Legion got beaten back by Mortals again and again and again, it is hard to believe that they ever would have suceeded in their goal.

This however is Death itself trying to take over and destroy the cosmic balance. If the Jailer succeeds the Universe will likely be completely dead and thus useless for both Void and Light that use it for their endless war. Hence why it is their shared enemy.

Pretty sure the Void Lords don't care about what planet has life or not. They just care to consume shit and make reality a literal hell. A hell that's likely far worse than the Maw itself. The only reason they care so much for a World Soul is so that, once they corrupt it, they practically have a free gateway to, well, our Physical reality itself.

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It's pretty obvious that void is the enemy of all. All = everything, void = nothing. The void wants to undo reality itself, make it so nothing exists at all.

Literally this. Idk why people think that Death's the enemy of all, when it's really quite the opposite. lmao

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That would be Death, and not Void. That prophecy refers to Calia menethil, undead lightforged. Death is the enemy of all.

Is that why the Life/Death Conflict's going on in 9.0 and not 10.0 and beyond?

[Kathranis]

So what about that quote "the Light has struck a pact with the enemy of all"? More "unreliable narrator" shenanigans?

Alleria and Turalyon, maybe? Or that relationship is a microcosm of some greater pact between the two.

Light and shadow do cycle back and forth, as seen with the naaru.

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Trying to make them these moral individuals who were stopping the void invasion is really really bad.

They aren't. Sargeras was. He was just using the demons as a means to an ends.

[Farrarie]

I only wanted to see Kil'jaeden city and Palace as it was mentioned in the Illidan novel.

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And for the people who say legion is not a threat without Sargeras, Archimonde and KJ, they where a big threat to the universe before even the eredar or sargeras.
They conquered planets that 2 of the titans took their threat directly.
Now they have the eredar, and lot of enslaved races.

[Not Againnn]

isnt the enemy of all the void lords?

[huth]

It hasn't been suggested at all that people not from Azeroth can't open portals there. In fact, Alternate-Draenor Orcs created the Dark Portal to connect to our Dark Portal. Ner'zhul helped Medivh, also containing the essence of Sargeras, connect the Dark Portal to Azeroth. Archimonde threw open a portal to Azeroth on Alternate-Draenor. So people not from Azeroth most certainly can open portals to Azeroth, as it has already been done.

Were you looking for examples that contradict your claim? Because all the ones you list require just that. You're also wrong about having to have been there, because the Legion's standard MO is to open mass portals on a planet and overrun it before defenders can react. They only bother with the other shit when they expect enough resistance for this to not work, or have some other plans, e.g. Draenor.

The Titans shrouded Azeroth. We don't know how, and ultimately, it doesn't matter, but Sargeras couldn't simply go there because he couldn't find it.

There's really no possible way that all of the below are true at once:
1) Space travel, with a ship that has the ability to instantly teleport across the cosmos
2) Corrupting powers, allowing you to basically control whomever you convince to follow you
3) Teleportation, given very lax restrictions
4) Summoning, given very lax restrictions, but requiring much more power
5) Forever-respawning forces
6) Unable to get to one location, which you have been to AND have hundreds of forces on the ground of.

Unless you don't actually know where your target location is. Then it's perfectly reasonable. And no, "have been there" is not necessarily enough for that.

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isnt the enemy of all the void lords?

Wouldn't make much sense for them to ally with the Light, though. I think it's an entity that's outside the 6 forces.

[huth]

... What exactly about opening a LOT of portals prevents the Legion from having done so? The Legion's whole thing is living forever (by age standards) and invading a ton of places - And they're always opening portals to bring in THEIR TROOPS, so obvious the Legion has in fact been to both places before if their troops are there to create the portals and come through the other side, thus, having been on the other side already...

Portals that they open from Azeroth to other places. Not the other way around.

Not even just off planet - Khadgar makes one from a different planet in a different timeline that isn't supposed to exist! And it just works!

With great effort and piggybacking on the Dark Portal link. And even then it only lasts a few seconds. Which also feeds into:

There's only ONE documented portal creation that did not have either of the users visit the locale they portaled to - And that's Archimonde/Gul'dan on Draenor.

Which they did right next to the Dark Portal. And as we learned from WC2 and TBC, such a powerfull portal is not easily severed fully.

It's enough for every mage that has ever learned to portal anywhere on Azeroth, to do so from anywhere in the entire multiverse.

"The Titan's shroud" my ass.

Is it, now? Because outside of the player mage, which may even just be game mechanics, we don't see that. We have a few specialised portal mages open portals to predefined destinations. We also know from Legion that there's usually wards on these portals that don't just let anything through.

It's also suggested that portals can be detected and intercepted, such as when Jaina needs the Champion's help in Nazjatar to open a portal without Azshara interfering.

[plz delete account]

So it recently occurred to me, wasnt the Legion the enemy of all?

The forces of the Void and Death, while being clearly "evil" in mortal eyes, are a natural part of the universe.
The Burning Legion, as a construct, was simply completely unnatural, completely out of the normal way of things.
The demons of the Burning Legion are creatures of disorder. Thats the reason why they were never THAT big of a threat. Because its in their nature to not work organized together.
Until Sargeras came along.
A being of absolute order united and organized the beings of absolute disorder.

Thats why the BL became so incredibly dangerous for every other cosmic force. The light (in the form of the AotL) was almost defeated, Order (in the form of the titans) was defeated, Life was constantly snuffed out (you know, killing all life in the universe was their end goal), the plan of the Void (corrupting a world soul) was in danger, and Death didnt get souls bc the BL burned them with fel or used them to power their engines and ships.

So, seeing as they were fully out of the ordinary, and basically fcked everyone over bc of that, shouldnt the title "enemy of all" go to the Legion? And not to whatever force the light has made a pact with (most likely Death)

Enemy of all would be Death. As you make the argument for the Legion, so too can I argue that death, the entropic force of the Warcraft universe, is the enemy of all, and for a rather obvious reason.