Patreon to go bust?

[jonnysensible]

Patreon tried to sneak a clause in their ToS saying "we can kick you off anytime we want, for any reason and you can't sue us"

Welp since patreon said all things go to arbitration. Patreon now has to pay ALL the legal fees for the people bringing up grievance with them. I can think of people like mister metokur, the quatering, and many others that'll love to ask patreon why they kicked them off. It's just not right leaning people either. They banned the entire anime art style because.....well i guess some land whale hated good art.

Fuck them now they got to pay between 2 and 10k per arbitration case will no expectation of relief if the case fails. Get woke go broke.

lol ur mad they banned fascists and nonces?

[Doctor Amadeus]

Patreon tried to sneak a clause in their ToS saying "we can kick you off anytime we want, for any reason and you can't sue us"

Welp since patreon said all things go to arbitration. Patreon now has to pay ALL the legal fees for the people bringing up grievance with them. I can think of people like mister metokur, the quatering, and many others that'll love to ask patreon why they kicked them off. It's just not right leaning people either. They banned the entire anime art style because.....well i guess some land whale hated good art.

Fuck them now they got to pay between 2 and 10k per arbitration case will no expectation of relief if the case fails. Get woke go broke.

Yeah has nothing to do with going woke or broke. Has to do with a process they should have known.

But again it’s not that big of a deal. It will be settled.

[Machismo]

Ok that's fine and dandy. Too bad patreon didn't follow the law of California now they opened the flood gates. Sargon is an insufferable cunt who political run was comedy gold. Sargon however does have decent legal advice because he already win a fair use lawsuit. If this was a left leaning thing like the punch all nazis comic that damn near killed kick starter. People would be flipping their shit.

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The fuck is nonces? Im not mad at anything. Im simply pointing out patreon fucked up. When money get involved the laws get weird

You make the claim. Prove mister metokur and the quater(pounder)ing are "fascists".

The existence of a law is never a justification.

It's odd how many people run in here to oppose freedom of speech, freedom of association, and defend Nazis.

[Doctor Amadeus]

You don't understand. Arbitration is different from a lawsuit. A lawsuit can be dismissed and the losing party pays fees based on who won or lost. In arbitration patreon has to pay between 2 and 10k PER arbitration case. Even if the claim is dismissed patreon can't get back that 2 to 10k because in cali they have some odd laws when it comes to arbitration and relief (recoupong legal fees)

All the paterons and backers of ALL the people that been kicked off now can open a case against patreon. That's why this is a big deal. Some lawyer at patreon going to be out of a job soon.

Yep. I support what they did. But this was pretty stupid from a business standpoint.

[Doctor Amadeus]

I have no love for sargon or southern. The art thing is what made me go....wtf. that's why I'm laughing at patreon. They fucked over a lot of artists that help make the platform.

Well it’s like the punch a Nazi thing. Tabling the fact it’s assault and a crime. People are going to make up their own mind.

I think the over all question is then what. I’m not judging either way and I’m in no position to advise anyone.

But comparing that to this it’s the same thing in that like those involved have to consider their options and position. This is their business and I support telling Nazis to take a hike.

The problem would be ultimately not knowing their hand when they should be in the position to do so lawyers and such.

So as I stated this isn’t a woke vs broke thing. This was just a bad business move.

Regardless to how you feel or I feel obviously that’s a reality. This is going to hurt for them.

[Doctor Amadeus]

I need to clarify the punch the nazi thing and kick starter. Kickstarter had a rule. No political junk. Some in kickstarter hated that and formed a union to allow that comic. Kickstarter lost a lot of money over that union and laid them off. That the perfect example of hypocrisy. Regardless if you agree or not since kickstarter had the rule in place to begin with.

The art thing is absolutely get woke go broke. If you seen the shit some artists get for drawing. You'd be question how these critics function in real life. Then patreon bans an entire style because.....reasons? It's pointless because they still allowed cub porn from furries so that lolicon argument is out the window. Loli isn't illegal in the U.S (3d loli being the exception). It is in the E.U however but pateron is U.S based.


Btw @jonnysensible are you going at answer my questions or are you gonna puss out?

Yeah but some of that is the why are you pulling me over for speeding and everyone else does it. The answer is because you’re the one be pulled over this time.

Again not anymore cool with cub porn than fucking Nazis.

Keep in mind my choice is to not entertain these idiots to begin with. But if I had to and it was my business yeah I would have done the same thing in terms of ending business. I wouldn’t have done so without a legal way for me to exercise it.

But not a woke go broke thing. This was a bad business decision. Either way some hits are worth taking even if it’s not the smartest move or in this case stupid. Booting Nazis is a good cause.

Other companies have done the same thing. Most knew their hand before they did it and how to proceed.

But I hold to what I said they’ll recover IMO if they don’t it’s not the going woke.


To be specific I don’t follow the go woke go broke thing. I think it’s mostly nonsense like cancel culture or people boycotting shit they don’t use in the first place.

I would say as close to the definition would make sense if say a business or artist did do something intentionally not caring and know or should have known they take a hit for a meaningless gesture the term would make sense.

Disassociating with Nazi seems like a smart thing if you could do it. Shit even some White Supremacist and Nazis really don’t want anything to do with the baggage that comes from explicitly being a Nazi.

The problem is hating NAMBLA or Nazis as you pointed out if you took the money. You might want out but you still have to do that the right way.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Sargons case is pretty clear cut. I'd put him in the category of almost literal nazi and definitely alt-right. Southern id consider alt-right. People like the quatering and mister metokur is were I'll raise an eyebrow. Mister metokur has laughed at sargon of applebees before so i don't think those 2 would fall into alt-right at all. Theres a boatload of others as well. Patreon have painted themselves in a corner here. Pay millions in legal costs they can't recover. Or allow all those kicked off back on including figures like sargon and southern.

Over the years I’ve watched the Alt-Right implode then regroup and implode again. I really don’t take any of the above seriously in terms who what, how and what they believe. The problem is with the raw stupidity they encourage.

The truth is they aren’t alone. But since we’re talking about this here yeah I support Patreon. I honestly don’t think this will serve as anything but a black eye business wise. It should have just been done better.

As for the people above most if not all of them seem to have a lot of other problems right now. Mostly that being their 15 mins of fame is almost up.

Tomi Lahren, Tucker Carlson etc have pretty much vultured them. Doing just about the same schitck.

The main difference is unlike Patreon their sponsors have freely dropped their asses. Along with other businesses.

[eschatological]

And you know how they do that? They silently remove old racist content. They sure as shit dont publicly admit it and apologize like they should.

Patreon did do it quietly. Lauren Southern and Sargon were gone without a fuss.

It was the Holocaust-denying Owen Benjamin who got together his patrons, made them pay $250 (or have some whale foot the bill for them) to sue Patreon to go to court.

And then, the OP totally mis-frames the actual conclusion. And cites a lawyer who's known as a right wing grifter with a storefront shingle in Minnesota known for defending dumbass right wingers.

The fact of the matter is, Patreon isn't in breach of a contract between Own and his Patrons. They can still hold to their contract with him.....they just can't do it on Patreon. If each patron wanted to, they could easily just keep the contract by setting up paypal payments to Benjamin, privately.

Of course, Patreon offers the convenience of consolidating all those payments, taking a fee off the top instead of being nickel-and-dimed by transactional fees, and also puts a layer of anonymity between the creator and the patrons. But that convenience is not subject to a breach if they deny that service - ultimately the contract is between the patron and the creator, and it's up to the creator to enforce the contract...not Patreon.

I love how dumbass right wing grifters win the first motion and then declare "PATREON GOT SLAM DUNKED!" like fucking morons.

[StayTuned]

Yeaaaa sure. As if the biggest nobodies from YT aka Sargon of Insolence or Oven Benjamin are going to destroy Patreon.

Are they being oppressed again? :<

[Fincayra]

So apparently the only thing that happened here is that a court said these cases have to go to arbitration like they were originally going to.

And also apparently, CA changed its arbitration laws at the beginning of the year, and Patreon presumably conveniently only updated their TOS at the exact same time specifically to stop right-wing grifters from suing them. Oh...wait...

Here's some helpful advice: Stop getting your information (especially legal information) from people whose literal job it is to lie to you and spread right-wing propaganda about current events.

This has nothing to do with right or left wing propaganda. Arbitration lawsuits in CA have a 250 dollar filing fee, which the plaintiffs are responsible for. They are then responsible for whatever legal fees are needed to run their lawsuit. Patreon is likewise responsible for their own legal fees. Sargon has millions of fans, and had thousands of supporters on Patreon. He's something of a martyr to the right wing side on this free speech issue, and I'm sure there will be plenty of people willing to put up legal fees. Lawyers in CA don't exactly work cheap. So each one of those people will need something in the ballpark of 500+ per billing hour per attorney on their case. That's all they will have to pay. Even if Patreon wins each and every arbitration, they are looking at millions in attorneys fees. They aren't a big company like Disney, Facebook or Google. THAT is why this is bad news for them. Also, Sargon isn't the only person who has been banned from Patreon who had contracts severed by Patreon. Followers from Lauren Southern and Milo Yiannopoulos could open arbitrations too.

[eschatological]

Maliciously filing arbitration for nuisance claims is a thing, yanno.

If Patreon easily wins all these arbitrations because the merits of the case are nil, guess what, they get to turn the tables on those filing arbitration.

[Masark]

I don't see anything worth being giddy about.

If Patreon loses this lawsuit it will be a victory for neo-nazis and hate crimes.

You just identified why the OP is giddy about it.

[Dezerte]

I don't know about the potential legal issues but I absolutely support freedom of association, and I'd never want to associate with a person like Owen.

[Masark]

And artists that got kicked off. And people who said un PC things like mister metokur or the quarter(pounder)ing. I understand mmo-champ has a hard on for "nazis" and the alt-right. Fee-fees aren't the issue here. It's like I said earlier. Patreon royally fucked up. They pissed off a lot of people. While the sargon thing is laughable. The others like artists and people saying un-pc things isn't. That's what patreon gets for being ther morality police.

I'm personally fairly unenamoured with Patreon myself as they've been kicking off an increasing number of erotic artists I like, though they've mostly gone to other services (some preemptively), though a few have dumped the entire model.

I was just specifying why the OP specifically was giddy about the matter.

[Frolk]

Patreon been digging its own grave lately with their shitty politics, fuck em.

[JohnBrown1917]

I don't see anything worth being giddy about.

If Patreon loses this lawsuit it will be a victory for neo-nazis and hate crimes.

That is why people are cheering this on.

[Rennadrel]

noted racist, Owen Benjamin.

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could have sworn patreon updated it's TOS to nip this in the bud, and all the "news" about this is from stormfront knock offs.

Lol @ you if you think that it's just a few unsavory individuals who've been booted from Patreon. Content creators like artists and comic book authors have also been banned because Patreon has become infested with the same extremist ideology that most of the other tech companies have. Get woke, go broke, and this could ultimately lead Patreon to filing for bankruptcy because they don't have the brains to not be retards towards content creators.

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You people? Buddy im not on the far right. I do however believe pateron got fartoo over zealous with their crusade. If they stopped at just sargon and southern. They wouldn't be in this predicament. But nope they wanted to go after other things. Now they pay the price. Just because im not walking in lockstep and going OMHG TEH RIGH ARE WINNING. SANINICUSI IS SAYING THING I HATE IM GOING TO BE A disingenuous poster and just label him. Yep you see it works both ways. And you wonder why people aren't civil anymore? Now please act like an adult and not a karen.

Even banning Sargon of Akkad is retarded. The guy might super critical of totalitarian leftists, but he isn't a right winger of any sorts. That these morons lump him in with actual problematic people like Lauren Southern shows how little they know about his channel or the things he says. But he must be a Nazi since he ran for a seat as an MP for the UKIP and because he supported Brexit.

[Slant]

And the winner is the lawyers!

We have a saying in Germany: When two stupids argue, a third one is the winner!

[Rennadrel]

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Get woke, go broke, punk. This is what happens when you fringe left lunatics try and push your politics on people who you don't know a single fucking thing about. Then you get the centrists like us supporting them because you are the ones acting like douchebags. Constantly trying to deplatform and ban people because they disagree with you makes you the bad guy here, not us. Especially with people like Sargon and a whole myriad of artists on Patreon who have been banned in the last while. Artists have been harassed and threatened to be banned by Patreon for sharing their own works through other websites because Patreon continues to push antiquated rules about certain types of content.

[JohnBrown1917]

Get woke, go broke, punk. This is what happens when you fringe left lunatics try and push your politics on people who you don't know a single fucking thing about. Then you get the centrists like us supporting them because you are the ones acting like douchebags. Constantly trying to deplatform and ban people because they disagree with you makes you the bad guy here, not us. Especially with people like Sargon and a whole myriad of artists on Patreon who have been banned in the last while. Artists have been harassed and threatened to be banned by Patreon for sharing their own works through other websites because Patreon continues to push antiquated rules about certain types of content.

>Centrists
>Supporting fascists

lol

Are we back in 1933's Germany?