More than 370 fires are burning across California.

[Edge-]

There's no reason to think most of the fires are caused by climate change though because they've always been common in California. What you can do is look at 'averages' and say there's 20%(or however much) more fires, but blaming most of them on climate change certainly isn't backed up by science.

Blaming the increasing severity of the fires, and the extreme temperatures, on global warming is backed up by science.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...-power-outage/

Here's an article from last year on the topic. And here are a bunch more

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...nia-west-coast
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/08/c...s-climate.html
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...limate-change/
https://www.technologyreview.com/202...nge-heatwaves/
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...in-california/
https://www.kqed.org/science/1950703...re-not-so-much

And here's NASA - https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2912/s...pact-on-fires/

[PC2]

Blaming the increasing severity of the fires, and the extreme temperatures, on global warming is backed up by science.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...-power-outage/

Here's an article from last year on the topic. And here are a bunch more

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...nia-west-coast
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/08/c...s-climate.html
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...limate-change/
https://www.technologyreview.com/202...nge-heatwaves/
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...in-california/
https://www.kqed.org/science/1950703...re-not-so-much

And here's NASA - https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2912/s...pact-on-fires/

Yes the climate effects fires but my point is that there's no reason to think 'most' fires are caused by climate change as opposed to increases in human activity and human error.

Also, it's an average-based phenomena which means it inherently makes no sense to talk about it in relation to specific fire events in California.

[jonnysensible]

Yes the climate effects fires but my point is that there's no reason to think 'most' of it is caused by climate change.

It's an average-based phenomena which means it inherently makes no sense to talk about it in relation to specific fires.

world gets hotter, forest gets drier, fires get stronger and more frequent

its not fucking rocket science

[PC2]

world gets hotter, forest gets drier, fires get stronger and more frequent

its not fucking rocket science

Sure and let's say everything else remains constant and on average there is 20% more acres burned in a decade, I have no problem attributing that to changes in the climate. But when people are blaming every fire event on climate change then they have to be reminded that were only suppose to be talking about averages.

[zEmini]

The science doesn't know!

[PC2]

The science doesn't know!

Well there is fire management science but it still has a long ways to go and it currently doesn't have the solutions to prevent and/or safely control all fires.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

So was it a boy or a girl?

[jonnysensible]

So was it a boy or a girl?

they aborted it because it was the anti-christ

Well there is fire management science but it still has a long ways to go and it currently doesn't have the solutions to prevent and/or safely control all fires.

nonsense we know that controlled burns stop this from happening

https://www.propublica.org/article/t...anybody-listen

[PC2]

So was it a boy or a girl?

lol, gender reveals are getting crazy...

This year:





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In the future:

[Draco-Onis]

Well there is fire management science but it still has a long ways to go and it currently doesn't have the solutions to prevent and/or safely control all fires.

The science of what's happening though is undisputed and no sane person thinks that exploding dry trees are the problems or raking the forest with brooms properly is the solution that's just bat shit crazy.

[PC2]

The science of what's happening though is undisputed and no sane person thinks that exploding dry trees are the problems or raking the forest with brooms properly is the solution that's just bat shit crazy.

Based on what I've read there is no possible course of action that could prevent the average temperature from going up by 1 degree in our lifetime so learning to adapt and thrive under slightly different climates is the only option. Ultimately geo-engineering will be the way that humanities controls and customizes our environment.

[Corvus]

After the horrendous fire season Australia went through (only to them crash into the coronavirus pandemic), I'm feeling for you. These things are going from bad to worse.

Doesn't help that your denier-in-chief is trying to shift the blame and o also claim that 'very soon' temperatures are going to go down, despite all evidence to the contrary. Only way for that to happen is if the sun does something very unexpected or he is planning on starting a nuclear winter.

[Draco-Onis]

Based on what I've read there is no possible course of action that could prevent the average temperature from going up by 1 degree in our lifetime so learning to adapt and thrive under slightly different climates is the only option. Ultimately geo-engineering will be the way that humanities controls and customizes our environment.

For that you need federal funding and investment which is hard when the person at the top thinks everything will go away magically and that the science is a hoax from the Chinese.

[Milchshake]

Some days I wonder if Karma is real.

Today is not one of those days.

Oregon GOP state senator Fred Girod was one of 11 Republicans who made headlines when they walked out of the senate – some even leaving the state – so that a quorum could not be achieved for a climate change bill.

Now the wildfires have claimed his home.

[Edge-]

Some days I wonder if Karma is real.

Today is not one of those days.

Oregon GOP state senator Fred Girod was one of 11 Republicans who made headlines when they walked out of the senate – some even leaving the state – so that a quorum could not be achieved for a climate change bill.

Now the wildfires have claimed his home.

Thoughts and prayers.

[Ghostpanther]

This gal takes the forest fires very serously.....https://www.foxnews.com/us/oregon-wi...st-at-gunpoint

An Oregon woman was captured on video holding a suspected arsonist at gunpoint on Saturday after she allegedly caught him on her property carrying only matches.

The woman, Kat Cast, can be seen in the video parking her car, grabbing a gun, and approaching the suspect as he is crossing a road.

“Get on the floor, right now, face down! What are you doing on my property?” Cast shouts at the man. “Did you light anything on fire?”

When the man tells her he was “just passing through,” she asks why he is holding matches. The man tells her the matches were for smoking, but he later admitted he had no cigarettes. Cast holds him at gunpoint until police arrive.

[PC2]

This gal takes the forest fires very serously.....https://www.foxnews.com/us/oregon-wi...st-at-gunpoint

An Oregon woman was captured on video holding a suspected arsonist at gunpoint on Saturday after she allegedly caught him on her property carrying only matches.

The woman, Kat Cast, can be seen in the video parking her car, grabbing a gun, and approaching the suspect as he is crossing a road.

“Get on the floor, right now, face down! What are you doing on my property?” Cast shouts at the man. “Did you light anything on fire?”

When the man tells her he was “just passing through,” she asks why he is holding matches. The man tells her the matches were for smoking, but he later admitted he had no cigarettes. Cast holds him at gunpoint until police arrive.

Yeah there's been more footage of arsonists being caught lately. Last I checked about 7% of fires have been caused by arsonists and about 80% are caused by unintentional human error. Many of the recent fires in California just happen to be in the small group of fires that were caused by the environment.

[postman1782]

lol, gender reveals are getting crazy...

This year:





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In the future:

Believe the first picture is from like 2018 or 17. I think I saw that somewhere on this forum before, and some of the comments were well over a year old, but the point still stands, if you feel the need to do a damn gender reveal party, like a dumbass, do it with non-flammable means in an area that has a severe drought from climate change.

[arandomuser]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wildfir...ece-heat-wave/

do you think trump would say putin is bad at forest management? its from july but i didnt know about these until i seen al gore talk about it with cuomo on CNN, which apparently those fires in siberia are still ongoing, its all over the globe

[Rasulis]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wildfir...ece-heat-wave/

do you think trump would say putin is bad at forest management? its from july but i didnt know about these until i seen al gore talk about it with cuomo on CNN, which apparently those fires in siberia are still ongoing, its all over the globe

Russia has never done any forest management. Forest fire in the Siberian Forests is an annual event as far back as people can remember. Except, in the past no one cared. Because the fires were remote, the dry seasons were short, the cold weather and the thick permafrost inhibited the progress of the fire. The Russian government usually just let the fires died out by themselves. On top of that, the Siberian boreal forests are vast. As in half a billion acre vast. Forest management of a forest system that large would have been a massive undertaking.

Time has changed. The fires are not so remote anymore. The dry seasons are longer and much hotter. The permafrost has melted exposing the peat underneath. Peat burns. It burns slow and hot, and it generates a lot of smoke. So now the fires are bigger, hotter, faster, smokier and moving ever closer to the edge of civilization. They are now too close for comfort and too big to ignore. Unfortunately, Russia never developed a fire fighting system that we have here in the US or the equivalent of the global intra-agency coordination system developed by the western US states.

I just want to emphasize that this is not just California problem. Oregon, Washington, Colorado and Montana are also burning. Idaho currently has 13 out of control fires.

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This gal takes the forest fires very serously.....https://www.foxnews.com/us/oregon-wi...st-at-gunpoint

An Oregon woman was captured on video holding a suspected arsonist at gunpoint on Saturday after she allegedly caught him on her property carrying only matches.

The woman, Kat Cast, can be seen in the video parking her car, grabbing a gun, and approaching the suspect as he is crossing a road.

“Get on the floor, right now, face down! What are you doing on my property?” Cast shouts at the man. “Did you light anything on fire?”

When the man tells her he was “just passing through,” she asks why he is holding matches. The man tells her the matches were for smoking, but he later admitted he had no cigarettes. Cast holds him at gunpoint until police arrive.

You trespass in the back county at your own risk. This is true even in California. Not all property lines are fenced or gated. Even if you are in BLM Federal land, you may never know that you have entered somebody's mining claim until all four of your car tires are flat from running over his booby traps.