Valeera Sanguinar Blood Elf Rogue for sure. Garona Halforcen for Orc Rogue. Khadgar for Human Mage. Zekhan Troll Shaman. Varok Saurfang Orc Warrior. Dranosh Saurfang Warrior -> DK. Rehgar Earthfury Orc Shaman.
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Also Orcs have all the Iron horde leaders as iconic ones of their classes
Warrior: Kargath, Blackrock
Shaman/Priest: Ner'zhul (AU)
Warlock: Ner'zhul MU
Hunter: Durotan
Where would you place Kilrogg deadeye - warrior ? or hunter?
Jaina would be under Kul'tiran ofc. Oops, I think I forgot Khadgar
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There is also Wardens serving as night elf rogues (they are basically outlaw rogue cusotmisation
Shandris Feathermoon is a Warrior/hunter
Elisande qualifies as both Night elf mage and Nightborne.
Darth'remar as a fanous Night elf mage. [although he also leads the high elves, don'tthink he ever looked like one) but he may have done, so he can path as both.
Cairne and Baine are also hunters, they are hunter/warriors
Durotan of the is an ORc hunter.
Turalyon would be a paladin.
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ials-and-lore)
My perspective on it.
Magni is a warrior, mountain king, same as Muradin. The only shamanic bit about him is that he was chosen by Azertoh to be her speaker, but he doesn't seem to wield any shamanic powers at all. He is however referred to as militant leader of ironforge dwarves and just as good of a warrior as Muradin.
Falstad and Kurdran are both gryphon riders, who are not a class in WoW, but as wildhammer fighters closely attended to nature (storm and wind) who imbue their weapons with lighting, I think they would most closely be represented by shaman (enhance) class.
Brann isn't a rogue, never shown to be using anything rogue related like stealthing or fighting with daggers or poisons. He is an explorer, so I wouldn't try and put a class tag on him, but if I had to I would how with hunter, since he on occasions have been shown to use a rifle and iirc has a pet gorilla.
Mylra should be mentioned as iconic dwarf shaman (dwarf companion from shaman class hall who assists player in recovering doomhammer and is one of key characters in shaman class hall campaign, also quest giver in Deepholm - that chick that tosses filthy ogre into skyship turbine).
Very interesting. you're the guy that did the post on real life basis for each race huh? Great post - shame it got locked, you should put it on a blog somewhere or put it on another forum .. although reddit users don't seem to like big posts, official forums too.
I had a glance through your list, very extensive, and well reasoned, but does it have to be only one spec for a class? I would be interested to see you gather data on say the top 4 specs for each.
I know not every race would have that many relevant classes having little to know definition outside one class, although you could get creative and suggest how they can be extended.
Some races on the other hand, like humans, Nelves, Orc actually have very strong basis for more than 4, in which case by all means give their full range. I do think that iconic characters are the most emphatic guide, they trump racials and opening stats because those are given for gameplay mechanics reasons (influenced by lore ofc), but sometimes a race can have several, and they picked one that speaks to one aspect, but other aspects exist.
Would like to hear your thoughts.
Yeah... these forum rules are way too strict
Personally, i would suggest Aucald to keep such invested threads open, and just delete or edit inappropriate comments, but unforutnately, i'm not a moderator...
For your request, i've got one answer: Allied races.
They kind of fill the niches that were missing from the main races.
Racial iconic class: (RPG sources)
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Racial_iconic_class
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That would be the logical and even main use of allied races especially for lore enhancement, immersion, fantasy for role play, but not the only one as we know those aren’t the only considerations- they do provide options tho. Good ones.
The New
We know some allied races venture it new extensions of a race. Void elves are the perfect example, where adding them as a small blood elf sect would not allow them justice. But as an allied race, they can really home in on a new venture for Thalassian elves. The void. Especially since so many races hug the light side.
Doubling Down
Others double down on existing themes. Lightforge Draenei are the example here and would allow the Draenei to have other focuses like their crystals, magi-tech and Rangari type figures while Lightforge really open up the full capacity of the Light beyond religious settings. Another example would be A pure forest race for NElves would be another example like NElf worgen to go full on forest elf animal hybrid I know @Mace suggested in his Night elf thread.
Huge Parts of a Race
Others do as you say. Show a particular existing focus on a race - in some cases it’s warranted. Nightborne are the perfect example. Highborne shen’dralar really don’t do justice to the major aspect of Kaldorei lore that their arcane side is. And it would require much to fit them in - hoggi. The limelight from the Wc3 forest side. Yet it’s a major part of them.
An allied race like Nightborne is perfect. It can be a much bigger focus there and breathe without needing to interfere too much with the Darnassians while doing it justice and not leaving it as an ignored group.
man’ari Eredar would be another example of where this would work well as an allied race showing that demonic/ warlock caster side of the Eredar but too at odds with the anti Sargeras stance the Draenei are founded on
Cosmetic and Flavour Stories
Finally. Others are just appearance alterations saved by giving them unique stories, tales of just a different group of a race. Highmountain are an example of this, as a Kul’tirans, a nod to Wc2.
They serve many purposss. It isn’t just one. But I believe they are most meaningful in the way void elves and nightborne show. I.e extending a race in a huge way you don’t want to alter the original to accommodate or in the case of the NElves is highlighting a significant part of them you didn’t get a chance to properly show.
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A pure forest race would be the Sylvar from Ardenweald.
I don't know about Man'ari Eredar, but the Krokul from Argus definitely seems like a plausible option.
Here are some examples from my previous threads:
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...e-allied-races
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...l-future-races
How could you forget a (Gnome) Warlock as renowned as Wilfred Fizzlebang? One so powerful as to single handedly summon Jaraxxus, Eredar Lord of the Burning Legion?
Blizzard didn’t have to make Nightborne to show that part, they could have played up the Highborne more. But it is a lot better that they did. It allows a much broader focus on the arcane side of the Night elves than a caste amongst the Darnassians would have allowed.
So It’s an excellent use of allied races. Together: Night elf, Nightborne and NElf worgen do the Kaldorei full justice. Both nature and the arcane are huge aspects that entire race can be devoted too but because of their huge unique tradition in both because of the detailed pre sundering lore and Druidic vigil lore. Dedicated races are appropriate. Whereas the main race touches all and allows the female led Amazonian warriors to shine as its leaders. Druids touch the forest worgen race and Highborne mages touch the Nightborne arcane caster race
As an aside, Nightborne could have easily looked exactly like night elves, but they were supposed to have been starved and drinking arcane to live. So they had to be skinny - this is good. Gives the feel you are playing a different race though you aren’t. And I would generally prefer allied race maximise the creative options in presenting alternative ways they could have visualised the core race
They mentioned that the re modelled races in 6.0 had to be close to the originals. Allied races are their opportunities to show us more extravagant remakes
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Yes, they’d be a pure forest race, but then so would Crnarians (dryads/keepers) and so would nightbelf worgen who’ve been living in pure nature realm for thousands of years.
If you wanted to extend and explore the Druidic aspect of the night elf in greater depth, to show a lot more, this freeing up the main race to be more balanced and perhaps Priestess led, then you’d want NELf worgen as that would also give a worgen allied race simultaneously freeing the Gilnean worgen to be more focused on Eastern kingdom affairs.
If you wanted a brand new race that captured a pure and alien forest feel then you want Sylvar.
And you can have both. Their is room for more allied races and Worgen NElves doubling down as Enog puts it on the purée forest side of the NElves works and a new quad of races based on the shadowlands folks can also come
[QUOTE=EnigmAddict;52660382]Trying to go through each race and level toons based on classes that have characters which are iconic. Can't think of one for every race though so need help.
So far I have:
Blood Elf:
Mage: [Kael'thas/Rommath/Aethas/Anastarin, Darth'remar (post-exile)]
Hunter [Lor'themar, Windrunners x4, Halduron]
Paladin [Liadrin]
Rogue: Valeera Sanguinar
DH: Kayn Sunfury
(can't think of anyone else that is iconic level - though there are some decent characters in other classes, Valeera and Kayn for e.g.)
Nightborne:
Mage: Thalyssra, Valtrois, Occuleth, Elisande
(Silgryn for warrior? Although he isn't that iconic tbh)
Night Elf:
Mage [Azshara/Xavius/Farondis, Elisande, Illidan, Darth'remar]
Druid: [Malfurion, Fandral Staghelm, Broll, Nar'thalax]
Demon Hunter: [Illidan]
Priest: [Tyrande]
Warrior: [Jarod Shadowsong], [Shandris Feathermoon]
Hunter: Shandris
Rogue: Maiev, Sira (all Wardens)
(can't think of anymore really, that are iconic level, Mordant Evenshade perhaps?)
Void Elf
Hunter: Alleria
Mage: Umbric
Orc
Shaman: Thrall, Drek'thar, Aggra, Ner'zhul
Warrior: Garrosh, Grom x2, Ogrim, Varok Saurfang
Warlock: Gul'dan, Ner'zhul
Hunter: Rexxar
DK; Danosh Saurfang, Teron Gorefiend
Rogue: Garona Halforcen
Human
Warrior: Varian, Anduin Lothar,
Paladin: Uther, Turalyon, Tirion, Arthas (Morgraine formerly)
DK: Arthas, Bolvar, Morgraine
Priest: Anduin Wyrnn, Benedictus
Mage: Antonaidas, Aegwyn, Medivh
Rogue: Matthias Shaw
Kul'tiran:
Mage: Jaina
Tidesage/Shaman: Brother Pike
Rogue: Flynn/Tandred Proudmore
Warrior: Daelin Proudmore
(how would you categorise Lord Stormsong and Lady Waycrest - Priest/druid? or Mages?)
Forsaken
Hunter: Nathanos
Mage: Meryl Firestorm
Rogue: Lilian Voss
Priest: Calia Menethils, Alonsus Faol
Worgen
Warrior: Genn Greymane, Darius Crowley
Draenei
Priest: Velen, Maladaar
Paladin: Yrel, Maraad
Mage: Archimonde
Shaman: Nobundo
Lightforged
Paladin - Turalyon?
Gnome:
Tinker: Gelbin Mekkatorque
Rogue: Kelsey
Mage: Millhouse Manastorm
Mechagnome
Warrior/Tinkert: Prince Erazmin
Darkspear:
Hunter: Vol'jin, Sen'jin, Rokhan
Warrior: Vol'jin/Rokhan
Shaman: Sen'jin Witch Doctor Zalazane (on Echo Isles)
Druid: Zentabra
Zandalari:
Paladin: Talanji
Warrior: Rastakhan
Priest: Zhul, Talanji, Hexlord Raal
Shaman: Talanji, Hexlord Raal
[would Wardruid Loti qualify as iconic though?)
Tauren:
Warrior: Cairne & Baine Bloodhoof
Hunter; Cairne, Baine
Shaman; Magatha Grimtotem, Muln Earthfury
Druid: Hamuul Runetotem
(Would Sunwalker Dezco qualify as iconic? I don't really know him)
Highmountain:
Warrior: Huln, Mayla
Shaman: Rivermane lady
Hunter: Skytotem tribe guy with the eagles
Dwarf:
Shaman: Magni? Falstaad?
Warrior: Muradin, Kudrann?
Rogue: Brann?
Priest: Moira
Hunter: Hemet Nesingwary and Junior
Dark Iron
Mage: Thaurissian
Shaman?
Goblin
Tinker: Gazlowe
Scumbag (Rogue): Gallywix
Mage: Alakahzam ? (does he even qualify?)
Vulpera
Rogue: Don't remember their names
Pandaren
Monk - i mean like every pandaren we know.
Chen Stormstout, Lili, Taran Zhu, Ji Firepaw - to name a few, all monks
Currently I think blizzard is serious about race/class combos htey have icnoci characters in, yes I know it seems some races are very far from that, but that's just a time illusion, if they don't come to a character or class in a race for a while, people start forgetting that race does that class very well. Classic example is blood elves, people now think of them as Light experts, and don't even have them as mages number 1 anymore - just becuase blizzard hasn't showcased Belf mages for a while.
But i think if they have powerful legendary characters in a race
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So You reckon I've got all them?
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Moira Thaurissian/Bronzebeard - Priest
Hamuul Runetotem - Tauren Druid
Darius Morgraine - Human DK
Millhouse Manastorm - Gnome Mage
Talanji - switched to Paladin/Priest
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Human Stormwind
Paladin/Warrior/Priest/Mage/Rogue/DK/Warlock/Hunter
Turalyon/Varian/Faol/Jaina/Shaw/Thassarian/Ebonlocke/Nathanos
Dwarf Bronzebeard
Warrior/Hunter/Priest
Muradin/Brann/Moira
Gnome
Warrior/Rogue/Mage
Mekkatorque/Millificent/Millhouse
Kaldorei
Druid/Priest/Hunter/DH
Malfurion/Tyrande/Shandris/Illidan
Draenei
Priest/Paladin
Velen/Maraad
Worgen
warrior/Rogue/Druid
Genn/Ivar/Celestine
Tushui
Monk
Alyssa
Rendorei
mage/Hunter
Ulric/Alleria
Lightforged
Warrior/Paladin
Blademaster/Fareeha
Dark Iron
Warlock/Priest/Warrior/Rogue
Kul Tiran
Warrior/Rogue/Shaman/Druid/Hunter
Mechagnome
Warrior/Rogue
Erazmin
Koltira Deathweaver - Blood Elf DK