overwolf going the wrong way

[Uko]

They own the database. They own where the addon creators uploaded it to. So, once the creator upload to their database, they own that copy. The other parties taking from that database are stealing.

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I do care about the product and I also care about the creator getting paid for their work. Good to know that you don't give a damn about the creators and only care about getting things for free. Overwolf isn't screwing anyone over as all those 3rd party managers stole from the database in the first place. They are completely free to create their own databases.

You viewing adds pays overwolf. There is no law that states they have to keep paying the content creators. If you support them pay them directly not pay overwatch and expect them to pass some pittance on.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Cheat codes do different things. Not every one makes you immortal. The fact that Blizzard disables some addons is proof they are like cheat codes.

This comparison to cheat codes is so fucking stupid. DBM is not cheating, nor is weakauras,tomtom, and many other addons.

[niztheundead87]

They own the database. They own where the addon creators uploaded it to. So, once the creator upload to their database, they own that copy. The other parties taking from that database are stealing.

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I do care about the product and I also care about the creator getting paid for their work. Good to know that you don't give a damn about the creators and only care about getting things for free. Overwolf isn't screwing anyone over as all those 3rd party managers stole from the database in the first place. They are completely free to create their own databases.

its agaisnt the tos to charge for addons though

[Hablion]

It's not competition. It's leeching. That's like saying me taking for myself a crate of Coca-Cola from a truck unloading soda crates to a restaurant is "competition" for the restaurant.


This is some very flawed logic, here. You're basically saying that a thief is entitled to break into your home if you leave the front door unlocked. Or that

API that are made public are meant to be used by third parties for what the API allows. for example Raiderio blizzard API allows them to collect data for Raid/Dungeon/Player Gear Information. The only reason they are able to use this is because blizzard allows their API to do this and if they wanted to they can restrict this information. The same thing applies to Curse if their API is public and they allow the API to be used in this way then they are doing nothing illegal. Now if the API was private then that is another story all together. Curse or Overwolf could also restrict who can and cannot use the API with a whitelist or a blacklist as well.

[rrayy]

You viewing adds pays overwolf. There is no law that states they have to keep paying the content creators. If you support them pay them directly not pay overwatch and expect them to pass some pittance on.

They are paying the creators. It will more than what they are getting now which is is limited to begging for donations. If it comes out that they are not paying the creators, than that is trouble that is going to cost them big time.

But you support the leeches and don't care about the content creators as you likely don't donate either. You want to profit from others hard work for free.

[niztheundead87]

we got all the overwolf people here supporting shitty practices its disguisting

[Cthulhu fhtagn]

Mods have to be free or blizzard will break the api they use in wow lol. Dbm a while back had to ask for support in the form of donations or patreon because it was unsustainable. If one of the most used addons in the game cant survive with the revenue they give out no one is making much of anything from hosting their work and collecting the pittance of add revenue.

Mods are free yes, but you create revenue for people making them and that's still their choice. This revenue is from either ads in the sites you download them from (or in this case apps) and they are free to promote their patreons and premium services. Elvui has been doing this for years, telling you to go premium if you want automatic updates. I think that's bullshit but still their right to do so that is circumvated with stuff like wowup (that i also use).

Pretending like wowup is a savior (while themselves having a pateron promoted on the app itself) is kinda funny.

[rrayy]

its agaisnt the tos to charge for addons though

Again, They are NOT CHARGING anyone to download the addon That is what is against the ToS. They are paying the creators through the ad revenue generated by the number of downloads. What Overwolf is doing is not against the ToS because the user will still download the add on for free.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

while themselves having a pateron promoted on the app itself

Because its not forced. This whole subscription part overwolf is going to do is where problems will arrise.

[NeoSaro]

It's easy to understand.

Their platform, their rules. Using something for 10 years doesn't make your own to set your rules.

You don't like their client and their site?
Then you can download them from other site that hosts addons, like wowinterface, or from the sites / repositories of each of the addon if exists.

If Overwolf blocks other addon managers, and you want to make your own client, then you have two options:
- Host the addons in your servers.
- Speak with Overwolf and make some kind of agreement between you and them.

[rrayy]

we got all the overwolf people here supporting shitty practices its disguisting

Nobody works for Overwolf. Disagreeing with your opinion does not = working for Overwolf.

[AwkwardSquirtle]

This thread is exhausting to read.

[rrayy]

Because its not forced. This whole subscription part overwolf is going to do is where problems will arrise.

They aren't forcing the subscription. That is simply to remove ads. If they force the subscription that will be in violation of ToS. They have to allow the add-ons to be downloaded for free so they cannot force the subscription.

[niztheundead87]

Nobody works for Overwolf. Disagreeing with your opinion does not = working for Overwolf.

only insane or employees would agree with them

[THEORACLE64]

NO it's Overwolf doing what Curse should have done. Being allowed to use it doesn't make it right. Overwolf is correcting Curse's mistake.

Also, you are free to donate to any add on maker you want. The only thing that is against ToS is charging money to download the addon. That isn't what is happening here. Curse will be paying the creator based on ad reveune and downloads. AT no time will the user be charged to download the app. So, they are not violating the ToS.

Pretty much what I said but ok. The ad revenue is just a bonus if anything, and I think that 99% of addon makers do it more so for a hobby than to actually make a living.

Overwolf are being scum here - it really isn't something curse shouldn't (and haven't) done.

[rrayy]

only insane or employees would agree with them

Perfectly sane people agree with them because sane people know stealing is wrong and a crime.

[THEORACLE64]

It's easy to understand.

Their platform, their rules. Using something for 10 years doesn't make your own to set your rules.

You don't like their client and their site?
Then you can download them from other site that hosts addons, like wowinterface, or from the sites / repositories of each of the addon if exists.

If Overwolf blocks other addon managers, and you want to make your own client, then you have two options:
- Host the addons in your servers.
- Speak with Overwolf and make some kind of agreement between you and them.

This is a dead point, seeing as Overwolf literally told wowup "join us or we'll cut you off."

Wowup is the only viable alternative to curse, so it's not hard to see Overwolf are quaking a bit from the popularity Wowup is gaining from the buyout - as it's seeming like a large majority of people don't want to use Overwolf.

Anyway, judging by the responses on their social media it's doing Wowup more good than harm right now anyway. Blizzard should have launched their own addon management through battle.net years ago.

[Sorshen]

They aren't competition. They are outright using the Curse database
and profiting off of it. If they want to be competition, they need to create their own database. You aren't a competitor when you are leeching.



Again, every single one of those alternative are stealing form the Curse database. That is outright wrong. If those others are so clearly better, then they should be able to create their own database and all the add on creators will go there. The fact that they have to steal to exist tells you they aren't capable of running their own.

The law disagrees, specially considering the current implementation of the api.

[rrayy]

Pretty much what I said but ok. The ad revenue is just a bonus if anything, and I think that 99% of addon makers do it more so for a hobby than to actually make a living.

Overwolf are being scum here - it really isn't something curse shouldn't (and haven't) done.

They are not being scum. And nobody said they had to be making a living off of it. All we have said is that the creators should be paid for their work regardless of whether it is a hobby or not. Extra money is a good thing during these times even if it is just a hobby.

The only scum here are the leeches stealing from a database. They should create their own database and stop stealing.

[Hablion]

In the End it comes down to them Changing their API to reflect their new Views. If they do not change it then Overwolf can do nothing about what other addon-managers are doing and are just dogs yelping into the wind. Overwolf is within their rights to change their API and if those other managers are violating it then overwolf can go fuck them hard. It all depends on what overwolf does or doesnt do.

And me personally if they do close down these other options I will just use Ublock, NoScript, and Flash Block and use the website to manually download or ill find alternative addons on wowinterface.