Shadowlands Plothole?

[kansor]

The thing I don't understand is this:

Since Legion when the ""machine of death broke"" the Arbiter funnels every single soul into the Maw. But don't souls only get carried into the Shadowlands by the Kyrians in the first place? What exactly have they been doing since Legion? They could obviously see what was going on because it's their job to bring Souls before the Arbiter but they still just yeeted them into the big stream heading straight into the Maw?

How retarded are these blue angels?

Presumably if they didn't keep ferrying souls, the mortal world would go to shit as everyone who died would rise as a ghost. You could argue that would still be better than what's going on (and could be a good story -- the angels are refusing to carry people off to the Shadowlands, so no one stays dead and the world is getting overrun by ghosts) but at least it's the shadow of a justification.

[Kellorion]

Where'd all those alien members of the army of light go? The ones that were mentioned in legion but not shown

[elemenohpe]

It's because you dying is not canon. It's just a game mechanic, like being able to resurrect people. It's a game mechanic, not a canon part of the game.

[Razion]

Souls have to be picked up by Kyrian first to go to the Maw. Easiest answer is they were just killed and raised before Kyrian retrieved their souls. Fresh corpses, fresh souls, not stuck in Maw. Souls of would-be DKs could have what players have that allow them to use the Waygate to get out as well. Old core race DKs still start back in the Arthas DK starting zone before the Arbiter went offline around the time of Legion.

[therealbowser]

It's like Rise of Skywalker. Don't pay attention to details. LOOK IT'S UTHER! Just keep moving through the story. Thinking about the details will just make your head hurt. LOOK!! KAEL'THAS!!! The more you think about it, the less sense it makes. LOOK, SYLVANAS HAS A PLAN FOR ALL OF US! THERE IS DRAKA!! MEMBER DRAKA?!?!? It is one giant clusterfuck the second you start poking and prodding the tapestry. JUST KEEP MOVING, DON'T THINK! LOOK, THE ARCHITECTURE IS LIKE IN IIIIICECROWN. MEMBER ICECROWN??? Level up, get loot, have fun with friends overcoming the raid encounters, revel in the great work the Art department did. The story is... not even tertiary at this point. LOOK! CUTE OWL-SERVANTS! JOKES ABOUT TALKING TO THE HAND. MEMBER URSOC??? MANDALORIAN REFERENCE!! PLEASE DON'T THINK ABOUT THE STORY OR THE ILLUSION OF COHERENT STORYTELLING WILL FALL APART!!! MEMBER YSEARA???

Fuck this Add-ons story. For all the interesting changes to gameplay, seriously, fuck the story. It picked up right where BfA left off, high-school levels of fanfiction.

I'm not enthusiastic about Shadowlands--I haven't bought the expansion yet after all--but you seem to deeply hate this game. Just don't play it IMHO.

I like the idea of new lore in Shadowlands, but the villain seems bland to me. The main reason I'm not playing Shadowlands is because I feel like it's going to be "Systemlands" and in addition, the community just keeps getting worse ever expansion. The story seems okay to me. At least they are building something new instead of rehashing old stuff like they did in BFA, WoD, etc.

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Don't think too heavily on plot points like this. Blizzard has a very bad habit of making stories that just don't mesh. This is never going to change and Shadowlands isn't going to be the exception to this rule.

[huth]

The Entire Sylvanas Jailer plot just doesen't make sense to me. So the Jailer draws souls from the entire universe, but where exactly does Sylvanas fit in?

Maybe wait until you actually have the full story? Trying to understand it now is bound to hit a snag because we're still missing most of the Jailer's side of things.

Also, doesent technically all death knights and undead remember the shadowlands? Why is it being treated as a mystery?

Read the recent interviews. No, they don't remember. Also, Bolvar had an artifact of the Maw at the time he was raising those DKs. One powerful enough to rip a hole between the Maw and Icecrown.

[rowaasr13]

"Something happening on one single world have a grand significance in multiverse spanning realm" plot is always stupid. Yes, those stories are important to our characters, since they do happen to live on that world, but why anybody in SL gives a fuck - that's a mystery.

Also, there's lots of souls around bastion, but for some reason they're all of Azeroth (+Draenor) playable races. Where are souls from other countless words? Not to say, where are even some Jinyuu or Ogre back from classic Warcraft RTS? Yet another "for some reason only your world matters" stupidity.

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I'm not enthusiastic about Shadowlands--I haven't bought the expansion yet after all--but you seem to deeply hate this game. Just don't play it IMHO.

You don't need to love entire game 100% to play it. I've enjoyed some story arcs in BfA, but hated entire "who the hell remembers whatth War of Horde vs Alliance". Was it 4th?

[Mehrunes]

Elder Scrolls is weird like that. The backstory is trippy beyond belief, incredibly intricate and puts most other fantasy to shame, but the actual games do their damnest to make the setting as genericly boring as is possible in terms of presentation if you ask me.

What's trippy about TES lore?

[cparle87]

There's a few troll souls around Bastion and the Maw. Shouldn't they be in De Other Side? Or, does Bwonsamdi not claim every trollian soul? I'm confuse

Only trolls who worship him. The Farraki, for instance, worship Mueh'zela, so it makes sense they'd end up in other places.

[Luler]

"Shadowlands Plothole"
The whole expansion since its inception is a plothole. A better challenge would be to find a "plot solid surface".

[Pawpurr]

How retarded are these blue angels?

Very. They don't consider or question why they do what they do, that's the whole point of Uther's storyline.

[Candy Cough]

This thread is literally just "I refuse to read quest texts or look up the answers to this from interviews so I'll just rant".

If you actually cared you wouldn't be making this.

End of discussion.

Then how about you tell us instead of coming with such a smartass answer that adds nothing to the discussion

[Verdugo]

What's trippy about TES lore?

I dont know what game it was but they decided to make all endings canon, even the contradicting ones. Especialy contradicting ones.

Also, quicksave is canon superpower in Morrowind at least.

[sam86]

wow current lore is plotholes that stitched to create story, not a story with many plotholes

[Jessicka]

Few points of order:

Bastion has already begun showing signs that their MO was a problem and a new path forward might be afoot in the patch storylines.
The Necrolords are less about fighting to keep the fighty people occupied, and more about engaging in constant wargames to keep their military in top shape physically and tactically; these are the Shadowlands' standing army and you definitely want an army meant to safeguard a plane comprised entirely of souls in top form.
The Venthyr are your last second chance if you were an exceptionally shitty person in life, but Denathrius set things up so he could run his little fiefdom and things have gone sideways there. Again, the storyline points to a new way being forged in order to maintain the purpose being served by this covenant but also installing safeguards against the leadership falling to corruption again. I guess nobody told 'em about guillotines.

It's also worth noting that both the game itself and the devs have confirmed there are, for all intents and purposes, effectively infinite afterlives, it's just that the ones we visit are the ones most important to keeping shit running properly in the Shadowlands; visiting whatever idyllic countryside Tirion currently enjoys eternity with his family in wouldn't make for a particularly compelling questing zone by their reckoning (I disagree, but Valley of the Four Winds is one of my favorite zones to quest through so take that as you will).

You seem to actually be more in agreement of what I said than trying to counter it.

Whether or not Maldraxxus is necessary for defence, it seems pretty ambivalent about the moral compass of who ends up there. Indeed your idea that it’s using them for their martial prowess to defend the place makes it sound even worse.

I also didn’t get the impression Bastion wanted to change. It felt more like it’s failure to get memories erased was proving the point of its necessity. I particularly found the idea of the Owlkin that serve as part of the environment and atmosphere that service of some unseen higher power was the be all and end all of eternity very jarring, along with the conversation sign offs of “go in service”. It’s too entrenched to be something that looks like anyone is questioning. It felt, and the zone looked, like it was run by a despot like North Korea, replete with massive, clean architecture, all put there and maintained by serfs - but never for their (or any real) use.

It’s only Ardenweald that doesn’t really fit the overall hellscape, but we know little of who ends up there, though what we do see, it seems rather to be some kind of limbo where those who’ve done awful things under duress are able to heal.

Lastly it being called the Shadowlands doesn’t exactly give it an aura of nicety either.

[Nerovar]

Presumably if they didn't keep ferrying souls, the mortal world would go to shit as everyone who died would rise as a ghost. You could argue that would still be better than what's going on (and could be a good story -- the angels are refusing to carry people off to the Shadowlands, so no one stays dead and the world is getting overrun by ghosts) but at least it's the shadow of a justification.

Is that mentioned at all? Because I haven't found a reason why they do it yet.

[ReVnX]

As they are recently deceased there is still a thread connecting body and soul that DKs can use to pull the soul back into the body.

There I fixed it for Blizzard

[natpick]

It's like Rise of Skywalker. Don't pay attention to details. LOOK IT'S UTHER! Just keep moving through the story. Thinking about the details will just make your head hurt. LOOK!! KAEL'THAS!!! The more you think about it, the less sense it makes. LOOK, SYLVANAS HAS A PLAN FOR ALL OF US! THERE IS DRAKA!! MEMBER DRAKA?!?!? It is one giant clusterfuck the second you start poking and prodding the tapestry. JUST KEEP MOVING, DON'T THINK! LOOK, THE ARCHITECTURE IS LIKE IN IIIIICECROWN. MEMBER ICECROWN??? Level up, get loot, have fun with friends overcoming the raid encounters, revel in the great work the Art department did. The story is... not even tertiary at this point. LOOK! CUTE OWL-SERVANTS! JOKES ABOUT TALKING TO THE HAND. MEMBER URSOC??? MANDALORIAN REFERENCE!! PLEASE DON'T THINK ABOUT THE STORY OR THE ILLUSION OF COHERENT STORYTELLING WILL FALL APART!!! MEMBER YSEARA???

Fuck this Add-ons story. For all the interesting changes to gameplay, seriously, fuck the story. It picked up right where BfA left off, high-school levels of fanfiction.

spot on dude but at this point im past caring and just try to enjoy it for what it is,for the last 3 expansions we have had far too many pop culture references in wow, the odd one is ok but atm it just takes me out of immersion,which is what we all play rpg/mmo for right?.

[gaymer77]

MANDALORIAN REFERENCE!!

I'm guessing I haven't got to that part in the story yet but what was the reference?

[Skulltaker]

Only trolls who worship him. The Farraki, for instance, worship Mueh'zela, so it makes sense they'd end up in other places.

Then why does ol Bwon want us to collect 1000 soulds for him among the Blood Trolls, who don't worship him?

I'm guessing I haven't got to that part in the story yet but what was the reference?

Guildmates told me about you escorting a hovering crib through ardenweald, the quest is called 'This is the way'. Not there yet myself.