Nah flying wasn't a fortune in BC. It was quite affordable at lvl70, considering just how much gold you'd get just by leveling.
Also your whole argument is pretty flawed tbh. You're trying really hard to spin that flying being unlocked from the start wasn't common, but it actually was the case for every expac until WoD where they added pathfinder.
TBC (level 70), Wrath (level 60; cold weather flying unlocked at 77 for mains and 68 for alts), Cata (level 60) and MoP (level 90) had it all right from the start and in the case of each one it was all very affordable, like in each case you were expected to have the gold needed to purchase them once you hit the needed level. Each of these expansions also had certain areas that even required flying (Wrath and Cata even entire zones)
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Convenience can sometimes equate to fun though, especially since this game is such a massive walking simulator already.
Dude for real, quit playing this game if you think its soo shitty.. cmon.. if you played the game the last months you would be ready for patch 9.1
Now they finally listened and didnt put flying behind rep and again its not good enough. No you do not need flying from start, its just not true and now flying in the MAW is okay, you can finally walk there.
Because I'm not playing the game when I'm riding my mount or AFK'ing on a flight path. I'm waiting to play the game. I can't kill quest mobs while riding my ground mount, especially when I haven't even reached the place where the things are that I need to do.
On my flying mount I can get to where I'm going to play the game much quicker, which makes my overall game experience more fun. I hope that helps.
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I took his quote as him saying that he is already planning on quitting if they didn't include it. That's what the "MUST" meant. The only power he has over Blizzard is whether or not he subs. Any ultimatum given to a vendor you have no legal power over includes the implicit threat of withholding further funding.
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But you're not. Exploring the zones alone doesn't really mean you're truly used to the zones, let alone have you experienced the story of the covenants fully. Zones are more than just travel points.
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I mean, the Covenant campaign is not done in 9.0 tho. It's done in 9.1, when it climaxes to the Forces of Death Vs The Jailer within the Maw, especially the Sanctum of Domination. So, in a way...
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Navigating shit in Blades Edge while flying is Hell. What are you on about? lmao
With Revendreth I'd be happy just to have the lifts marked on the map.
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Yes, adding multiple difficulties including one that is basically impossible to fail at, cuts the dugeon/raid into bite-size pieces and lets you auto-queue while doing something else is only catering to one group of players... do you stop to think about what you are typing?
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It's not just a "small elite clique" who don't feel tricked about Blizz doing what lots of people expected them to do.
Whoever thinks doing WQs and/or running around maw after couple of weeks of expansion without flying is f masochistic. Specially SL type of WQs and without whistle. F immersion... I CBA running to the same WQ across half of the map and killing same 15 mobs or filling up bar slowly for 100th time...
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more of disappointed, in BFA they gave us flying in current content
why not repeat the same? reward is ground mount in maw? I wiped 2 times at floor 17 and did twisting corridor finally on 3rd try and took it REALLY slow, not counting wipes in other floors
I strongly support and agree that flying given without requirement in older exp, but in current exp? why exactly did i do corridor? i wasted ~25 hours to get an ugly mount? I already don't use any non-class mount since legion
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http://youtu.be/x3ejO7Nssj8 7:20+ "Alliance remaining super power", clearly blizz favor horde too much, that they made alliance the super power
i got the mount in the maw, and the maw is surprisingly very small zone
in fact all SL zones are small, they don't rival any exp at all, even BFA/WoD (which i consider worse exp) have far bigger zones
SL is falling more to ok exp, it isn't bad, but i'm starting to wonder if BFA set the bar way too low that even if i see a 'bad' exp i will say it is good
The beginning of wisdom is the statement 'I do not know.' The person who cannot make that statement is one who will never learn anything. And I have prided myself on my ability to learn
Thrall
http://youtu.be/x3ejO7Nssj8 7:20+ "Alliance remaining super power", clearly blizz favor horde too much, that they made alliance the super power
my biggest problem with not having flying in these never xpack is that most zones are done in such a way that its just dreadful to run around, other xpack that had flying like TBC, WotLK, Cata and Mop, they're not bad to run around in ground mount,
we have a zone that is mostly designed for flying but we cant fly, and that sucks
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Yep. All the way up to and including MoP (Except Cata where we could fly from the first day) you just had to reach Max level and that was it.
Gating flying behind rep grinds, when Blizzard feels like it and what not, started as a band-aid solution In WoD; the most disliked xpac in the history of WoW
Yeah....way to completely miss the point. Or maybe it's intentional. No one was talking about flight in the context you used. I was pointing out how wow has become "World of Systemscraft" based on Blizzard's garbage "vision" of what they think the game should be based on their own internal echo chamber. And how instead of listening to all of the feedback given in various formats(forums, beta, streamers, youtubers, etc), they stubbornly insist that their way is the right way until it's so far into the expansion that course correction is only done after the game's content is on farm or outdated.
Flying/Pathfinder/only-usable-in-obsolete-content is one of those systems that blizzard nonsensically refuses to budge on, but that particular case was not included in the point I was making, even if it is relevant to the discussion. I was speaking of things like Azurite armor, or Covenant swapping.
I also want to point out that "This is how flight has always been for the past X expansions" isn't a valid defense. It's been garbage since the beginning, when Blizzard failed to deliver to amazing open world that they promised would be allowed by taking away flight in WoD. And they've NEVER managed to deliver that. Not with Argus. Not with Legion. Not with Shadowlands.
MAYBE if they'd move away from 90% of the content being filler "Kill X or Click X" quests this would be different. Blizzard BADLY needs to take a page from other MMOs in regards to exploration and keeping the open world relevant past the initial leveling process.
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Yep. Pathfinder is essentially a punishment on the players for Blizzard's own failure at game design. They wanted to remove flying but when the community complained they left it in but added a 'fuck you' system to obtain it.
No-one complained about flying being too easy to obtain whilst under the old system. No-one asked for some Pathfinder bullshit to make getting flying 'feel more rewarding'. It's such a bummer that Blizzard is persisting with it.
The most difficult thing to do is accept that there is nothing wrong with things you don't like and accept that people can like things you don't.
How do the corridors 144 layer guys feel about all Mounts working in the Maw in Patch 9.1?