Lost Codex and Bellular Lore Interview. [Spoilers]

[Pebrocks The Warlock]

• Arbiter sent souls to the Maw “occasionally” for souls that are “irredeemable”
• Drust tapped into “death-centered Druidism” and “darkness”; Ardenweald as a way to tap into this, Druidism as “decay that Fall and Winter represent”, Druidism is “about the cycle between life and death”
• Thros is on the “precipice” of the Shadowlands, “not quite” in the realm of death but touched by it, on the precipice of a lot of those confluence, “not fully” in the Shadowlands
• Gorak Tul did not speak to any Eternal One he reached out to or tapped into, he just delved in a lot, including the Nightmare “which if you think about, it just another variation of that cycle and that balance, just the Void-touched version of that”
• re: Necromancy; using Thoras Trollbane who was dead for a while, perhaps a Kyrian, what happens upon turning into a Death Knight? Normally in WoW, beings are born, life is tying their soul to their body, building up anima, but in the case of necromancy/undeath, it is death that is tying the soul to the form; different rules but a similar principle. Time is perceived differently, not about measuring time, in the Shadowlands. Necromancy brings back their actual spirit, not an echo or copy. Even if the soul is pulled back, it still has a tether to the Shadowlands, almost like a “second life” or “continuation” with the tether to the Shadowlands on pause; the undead are a very small number in the cosmic scheme of things
• It’s an interesting question to think if the things they did in the second existence of undeath might affect their judgement in the afterlife
• In Maldraxxus, when a fresh soul arrives come into arena with Margraves watching showing their might and proving themselves, Margraves pick what souls they want with the Primus settling disputes/ties between Margraves. Maldraxxus is a meritocracy, proving yourself every day, best souls climbing the ladder; based on victories and losses their bodies change respectively. Draka and Vashj worked their up very quickly, shaped their flesh in specific ways.
• Teaser for Grimoire of the Shadowlands book: book was a lot of fun to write, written from the perspective of a broker, cataloguing for his cartel information of Azerothian funeral rites, influence of mortals on shadowlands, histories of shadowlands, observing the importance of Azerothian heroes in the cosmos
• there is a chapter at the end of the book where the narrator delves into the nature of the universe and the mysteries of the first ones and the efforts of the brokers to delve into it, and a unique perspective on the cosmology, another perspective of the cosmic forces
• 6 of 8 bosses of Tazavesh are in the Veiled Market, there’s an encounter in the post office of the Brokers (lots of portals), lots of delving into Broker culture
• how does Aucindoun/Auchenai work with the Shadowlands, were they circumventing the fate of souls? Not a major plot point of shadowlands, but the Watchers responsibilities includes “wait a minute, is there another cosmic force interfering this soul”, example Bridenbrad in Northrend where the Naaru intercedes and claims the soul over the Kyrian Watchers; religions in cultures can cause this via the powers they channel and beliefs, like the Eredar/Draenei being able to tether souls and temporarily keep them from crossing over
• Portal Rooms largely are gameplay; entering the Shadowlands isn’t easy, Griftah had trouble entering, average citizen could not just enter the Shadowlands
• beings bound to the cosmic realms cannot on a whim enter reality, takes a lot of effort
• Gem used for Shalamourne, what was it, where did it come from? When we see the Jailer move his hand to open the portal and take out the crystal, that was something Sylvanas hadn’t seen before and caught her eye. The Jailer has his own private stock of powerful things, like souls or other forms of power. Also safe to say, he didn’t choose something at random, put in a very specific thing into that forge, and the story of what that is and what it means we’ll revisit as the story continues to develop

• Domination magic was used to imprison the Jailer to the Maw, which the Jailer learned and refined to the point he was able to spread his influence outside of the case. Case in point, he used domination magic to suppress Anduin’s will.
• Domination magic was also how the Jailer intended to use the Lich King as a weapon on Azeroth. However while the Jailer was able to influence Ner’zhul and Arthas, they both retained their free will and thus were largely in control of their own actions.
• The Sanctum of Domination is also where the Jailer places those who have earned his ire. One person who has earned the Jailer’s ire is Ner’zhul, who has been confirmed to return in Shadowlands.
• Another character returning in Shadowlands is Garrosh. The context is currently unknown, but Blizzard has gone on record by mentioning that they will respect his character arc. They also pointed out how souls who repent in Revendreth are sent to other realms, hinting that Garrosh could leave Revendreth for another realm.
• There is more story to tell with Yrel and the Lightbound.
• Velen was once a individual completely blindly devoted to the Light but his perspective has changed since Xe’ra and the end of the Burning Legion.
• The First Ones shaped the cosmos, were the progenitors of the universe.
• One of the most proficient in the use of Domination Magic was the Primus, who is a Master Runesmith
• Zovaal could not Dominate Bolvar
• There was still a sliver of Arthas/his good left that is what prevented the Scourge from rampaging across Azeroth
• Anduin broke free for a moment, Domination magic is “suppression” rather than control.

[Hobbidaggy]

Nice thanks for the recap

[rayvio]

explains a few things and hints at some interesting things coming up
we see a lot of criticism directed at the writing but there are often some good pieces as well as the bad (admittedly some of the bad is really bad though)

[KainneAbsolute]

Thank you. Lots of information. I wonder if someday we will learn about this in game.

On the other hand, the Primus dominate domination magic, the Jailer was trapped by it, and then the Jailer learned how to use it. It is evident the Primus bounded the Jailer to chains.

[huth]

However while the Jailer was able to influence Ner’zhul and Arthas, they both retained their free will and thus were largely in control of their own actions.

Gee, some people aren't gonna like that.

[Nize]

Thank you. Lots of information. I wonder if someday we will learn about this in game.

On the other hand, the Primus dominate domination magic, the Jailer was trapped by it, and then the Jailer learned how to use it. It is evident the Primus bounded the Jailer to chains.

Now wouldn't it be a fancy twist of fate if the Jailer used it against the Primus huh? Hm, maybe something like he did to the Runecarver, possibly maybe? Hmmmm...

[Goldielocks]

The First Ones created the cosmos, such as the Light and the Void.

I'm sorry what

[Sentynel]

I'm sorry what

After they deplete the mystery around the First Ones, the Ones Before The First Ones will make an appearance and the cycle will continue as long as the game prints money.

[Syegfryed]

Well hell, now the "domination magic" is what they come up to explain those shenanigans? what the heck is even that?

Blizzard has gone on record by mentioning that they will respect his character arc.

no they will not

There was still a sliver of Arthas/his good left that is what prevented the Scourge from rampaging across Azeroth

come on this again

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The First Ones created the cosmos, such as the Light and the Void.

wait is this saying that the first ones made light and void or are light and void first ones or what?

[huth]

wait is this saying that the first ones made light and void or are light and void first ones or what?

We're probably gonna have to wait for clarification on that.

Though in a way, that's saying the First Ones are Blizzard devs.

[Houle]

The Sanctum of Domination is also where the Jailer places those who have earned his ire. One person who has earned the Jailer’s ire is Ner’zhul, who has been confirmed to return in Shadowlands.

dayuuum, so they are actually bringing ner'zhul back
5 bucks say hell be killed forever in the raid, as a final disrespect to his character-.-

One of the most proficient in the use of Domination Magic was the Primus, who is a Master Runesmith

ok so how much more obvious do they wanna make primus=runecarver.
the primus is a master runesmith who is good with domination magic
the RC forged the helm and frostmourne, and imbued with them with so much domination magic the jailer himself called them the "vessels of domination"
yeah the discussion about the primus is pretty much done

[kiramon]

Gem used for Shalamourne, what was it, where did it come from? When we see the Jailer move his hand to open the portal and take out the crystal, that was something Sylvanas hadn’t seen before and caught her eye. The Jailer has his own private stock of powerful things, like souls or other forms of power. Also safe to say, he didn’t choose something at random, put in a very specific thing into that forge, and the story of what that is and what it means we’ll revisit as the story continues to develop

Gee I wonder who that could be

[Maljinwo]

"Portals are just a game mechanic, it's not like anyone can just enter Oribos"

[KainneAbsolute]

wait is this saying that the first ones made light and void or are light and void first ones or what?

WoW is now Babylon 5!!!

[Soon-TM]

wait is this saying that the first ones made light and void or are light and void first ones or what?

And here I was thinking that Light and Void were the primordial forces in the Warcraft universe...

[huth]

ok so how much more obvious do they wanna make primus=runecarver.
the primus is a master runesmith who is good with domination matrix.
the RC forged the helm and frostmourne, and imbued with them with so much domination magic the jailer himself called them the "vessels of domination"
yeah the discussion about the primus is pretty much done

We've known he is a Master Runesmith since Maldraxxus leveling. Heirmir was his apprentice.

[Houle]

We've known he is a Master Runesmith since Maldraxxus leveling. Heirmir was his apprentice.

yeah i know
but now they even confirm he was one of the best at domination magic
geeeeee i wonder who the runecarver is, who forged the 2 most powerful domination items we know

[Lorgar Aurelian]

And here I was thinking that Light and Void were the primordial forces in the Warcraft universe...

Ya that’s what I was thinking. If there the first ones them selfs then it works but if they were made by the first ones then that’s even more lore thrown out the window.

[Goldielocks]

Ya that’s what I was thinking. If there the first ones them selfs then it works but if they were made by the first ones then that’s even more lore thrown out the window.

This is actually really fucking stupid, and better be a "perspective" thing they keep referring to, like how Chronicle is the Titans perspective.

Sentient beings coming before absolute forces of certainty and probability? Seriously?