Karazhan 2/2/6 or 2/3/5

[garicasha]

I'm still stuck in the days where 2/3/5 was the comp for a 10-man raid.

Although I knew so little about raiding back then...hell it wasn't until ICC that someone showed me what happens to raid DPS during hero/bl via the real-time dps graph in recount that I found out it was so valuable.

But I remember Moroes being a b---- to heal, although I think that varies widely by patch.

Oh and bad groups had serious trouble with Curator.

Servant Quarters Beast
Attumen the Huntsman
Moroes
Maiden of Virtue
Opera -Red Riding Hood, West Side Story, Romeo and Juliet, Wizard of Oz
Nightbane
Curator
Shade of Aran
Terestian Illhoof
Netherspite
Chess Event
Malchezzar

[kranur]

2/3/5 initially when in blues, 2/2/6 once you clear it a few times.

[RobertoCarlos]

You guys are gonna make BC soooo much fun with your obsession for optimal lists for 10+ year old content!!!

[Tojara]

I mean, what's wrong with asking whether or not you want two or three healers lol?

You might have a point if he was asking exactly what classes to bring to make the run as painless as possible, based exclusively on what classes do the most damage coming into Karazhan with Naxxaramas gear and/or dungeon blues.

[RobertoCarlos]

I mean, what's wrong with asking whether or not you want two or three healers lol?

You might have a point if he was asking exactly what classes to bring to make the run as painless as possible, based exclusively on what classes do the most damage coming into Karazhan with Naxxaramas gear and/or dungeon blues.

Oh dont worry we'll certainly be getting that also. "Looking for X class (NO insert X class here)" because that extra 100 dps for optimal set up will defiantly be make or break for karazhan loool

[Sentynel]

You guys are gonna make BC soooo much fun with your obsession for optimal lists for 10+ year old content!!!

This is what ruined classic, so no surprise people will minmax the shit out of BC too haha

[RobertoCarlos]

This is what ruined classic, so no surprise people will minmax the shit out of BC too haha

Yep, was super noticable when I hit 60 and started dungeoning.

Was pretty much only able to get invited if you were warrior tank, mage dps or priest healer. Everyone else GL.

You dont even need too either, people were clearing the content with half the raid not even knowing their rotation correctly back when people didnt have years of experience on the fights already.

[Belize]

2/2.5/5.5 is the best option IMO

2 dedicated healers, one class like SPriest or EleSham that can throw out a couple heals in an emergency

[Dorothyjean]

You guys are gonna make BC soooo much fun with your obsession for optimal lists for 10+ year old content!!!

Acting like we weren't doing this back in BC is so much fun also...

[RobertoCarlos]

Acting like we weren't doing this back in BC is so much fun also...

Nah this unhealthy obsession for 1-3% dps gains is definitly a modern WoW thing.

not saying the top top guilds didnt. But your average casual wasnt so obsessed with weird things like having the right combination of classes outside of obvious shit like wanting an enhancement shaman in the melee group. And if your regular shaman was missing for the raid it wasnt a total melt down like it will be for TBC 2.0

[gaymer77]

I went disc for the start of BC because my guild I was in at the time was half of the guild were a bunch of RL friends (myself included in that group) with the other half being friends we made along the way. The Kara group I was in was waiting on our other friend to have time to level his shaman to heal instead to bring us to a 5 core healer group for our 25 man stuff. Our group was 2/2/6 with me and the other priest (holy not disc like me) both had 3/3 Primal Mooncloth crafted so the two of us didn't need a whole lot more gear to heal. We had no issues keeping the raid alive the entirety of Kara or when we ventured out to other raids like Gruul & Magtheridon. If you have a solid 2 healers for Kara that know what they're doing and have decent gear, you can easily do Kara with just 2 healers so you can down the bosses faster.

[Creedo]

2/3/5 initially when in blues, 2/2/6 once you clear it a few times.

On the PServer I played on, we did this. Back in the day I can't even remember, but probably the exact same thing.

[garicasha]

I’m trying to think the hardest fights to 2 heal and I’m thinking Moroes, Curator, and Malchezzar.

Full list:
Servant Quarters Beast
Attumen the Huntsman
Moroes
Maiden of Virtue
Opera -Red Riding hood, West Side Story, Romeo and Juliet
Nightbane
Curator
Shade of Aran
The satyr
The dragon you soak beams
Chess Event
Malchezzar

And don’t forget

THE MENAGERIE IS FOR GUESTS ONLY.


Heh and one other story...BC is when Seed of Corruption is OP for mass adds. Back in BC I pugged in a warlock for the fight.

Me: Do you know what you’re doing?
Him: Yah I wait for the imps then spread my seed like it’s prom night!!!

[Lora]

karazhan was a joke lmao. it really wont matter whether you bring 2 healers or 3.

[Kazurath]

Was pretty much only able to get invited if you were warrior tank, mage dps or priest healer. Everyone else GL.

Why is it always "THIS IS THE RULE" and never "In my [extraordinarily limited] experience," "In my time in a [cesspool] guild," or "according to [this presented data]"?
You're either lying, grossly embellishing, or ignoring when your statement isn't true.

I've capped 2 Horde and 4 Alliance to date (with 3 more in the works). I've never had any issue getting into groups unless I choose "the wrong" choice.
"The Wrong" choice is an OOMkin or Ret Paladin. But even then that isn't a hard rule. I've been in groups on a weekly basis that took said classes to 5/10/20 mans.
I have a SS of a raid with two OOMkins. There's an OOMkin and two Rets signed up for a raid this Sunday.
I myself tank on my Ret pally and Bear druid when I can, but usually I'm stumbling over others raring to tank.
I took my lvl 58 warrior, as DPS, in a full LFG PuG, through UBRS two nights ago. Could this be an exception? Yes. Could it also be that it's more common than people like you want to admit? Much more so.

I don't understand the point of whining about this at all. You obviously don't want to be in a group that min/maxes to such degrees, but you scratch at the door like a cat wanting inside- who actually doesn't want inside, they're just pissed the door's closed.
Go find a group of like-minded people and enjoy your time in your own desired way.
Or, conversely, be a lone wolf. Form your own groups with your own rules.

[RobertoCarlos]

Why is it always "THIS IS THE RULE" and never "In my [extraordinarily limited] experience," "In my time in a [cesspool] guild," or "according to [this presented data]"?
You're either lying, grossly embellishing, or ignoring when your statement isn't true.

I've capped 2 Horde and 4 Alliance to date (with 3 more in the works). I've never had any issue getting into groups unless I choose "the wrong" choice.
"The Wrong" choice is an OOMkin or Ret Paladin. But even then that isn't a hard rule. I've been in groups on a weekly basis that took said classes to 5/10/20 mans.
I have a SS of a raid with two OOMkins. There's an OOMkin and two Rets signed up for a raid this Sunday.
I myself tank on my Ret pally and Bear druid when I can, but usually I'm stumbling over others raring to tank.
I took my lvl 58 warrior, as DPS, in a full LFG PuG, through UBRS two nights ago. Could this be an exception? Yes. Could it also be that it's more common than people like you want to admit? Much more so.

I don't understand the point of whining about this at all. You obviously don't want to be in a group that min/maxes to such degrees, but you scratch at the door like a cat wanting inside- who actually doesn't want inside, they're just pissed the door's closed.
Go find a group of like-minded people and enjoy your time in your own desired way.
Or, conversely, be a lone wolf. Form your own groups with your own rules.

Oh grats for you, you choose the broken OP specs so naturally you get invited to groups. This idea "oomkin or Ret pally is wrong choice" is why WoW player experience is going to the toilet and getting to MOBA levels. Instead of being an MMORPG where if the players know what they are doing and geared/talented correctly they are perfectly valid. Especially for ancient content that is incredibly easy.

I dont understand why people just wanna stroll down memory lane as easily as possible with the OP specs. Like what is the point? Do you not like to actually have a challenge every now and then? Or do you just miss standing in orgimmar/IF decked in T6 running around on your mount, the true pinnacle of WoW

[Ryzeth]

Since it's on the 2.4.3 patch, you'll do just fine with 2/2/6 if your group's in heroic gear/badge gear and know what they're doing.
Maybe have one of the dps be off-spec heals, or just a shadow priest/ele sham who can help out when absolutely needed.

[schwank05]

Always ran with a 2/3/5 through to MOP before they killed real raiding.

[bmjclark]

On the private server I played on paladins were just solo tanking it. Dunno if that'll be possible at the start of tbc but yea

[Kralljin]

Maybe 3 healers for Nightbane as it is pre nerf, but 2 healers has pretty much shown to be the norm for 10man raiding, after all, the more dps you have, the less there is to heal.