Why is end game tailored so much against the casual player?

[Depakote]

Lot of people here like to dodge the points I'm making without actually addressing them. I've ceased to expect reading comprehension from much of this forum.

Couldn't agree more sadly.

[Daffan]

It's impossible for casuals not to complain about this issue;

1) not enough welfare = "elitist game"

2) welfare introduced = "wah there is no content for me to do" quit 1-2 week after patch drop each time.

[tru]

The definition of progression is not defeating new or increasing challenges. Again this is an entirely mythic raid centric view point and is quite myopic given how little everybody else actually gives a shit about mythic raiding or "challenge"

It's amazing how much more fun raid content was when it was designed around 1 difficulty. But balancing around handouts and the top .5% nobody cares about after the first kill should have never been a thing.

[Jinpachi]

What’s so casual about having conduit energy in the game? Withholding essence (horde HoF closed and next reset was essence vendor) and corruption vendors (5 weeks after alliance HoF filled) until after hall of fames had closed?

Why the withholding of a vendor for islands until 8.1 and a better “vendor” until 8.3? Surely islands are simple enough content for all people to join in. Don’t even need a group, the game auto-matches you for normal/heroic.

Why no layer 8 unlocks layer 8 for all other characters on your account from day one instead of weeks later?

Why no valor point upgrades from day 1 of m+, and instead we have to wait till 9.0.5. All because blizzard thinks split raiding is degenerate and they want to put a damper on how quickly people can gear.

Why no master loot in guild majority runs, like we had in legion? My heroic family alt guild at the time used it for antorus after we were annoyed at the lack of quality items in tomb.

Why no legendary vendor from day 1 of legion (with obvious dripfeeding of currency of course)? Could it be blizzard didn’t want people to too deterministically gear and thus plow through their content at unprojected rates?

Why no reforging of stats?

Just thought of this now. Why have we not had comp stomp in a year? Last I remember doing it was in April last year when I was farming exalted on 2 characters and finishing up honor for rank 4 BotE? Oh wait upgrades for pvp gearing in shadowlands are done by honor, and we can’t let degens use this one event to mass upgrade all gear.

Why no BoA rep tokens for BFA until 8.2 (which was nerfed) and then seriously brought in until 8.3? We had loads of tokens in MoP/WoD/Legion. Casuals love easy rep. Hell it would have made farming for 9 rank 4 paragons less annoying on my paladin in the inbetween time of the first double rep month and the subsequent 2 and 3 months.

Blizzard has a fetish for preventing the top % from finishing things too quickly (and that entails all things not just raid progression). They love it so much they are willing to design a treadmill in an arms race with such players at the expense of everyone else’s enjoyment. And then participation metrics drop and the top % is done with the content, they add in the purposely withheld QoL change requested from day 1 of alpha/beta in order to stimulate the gameplay again.

And this is only one half of the argument. Why the nonsensical pruning of information from character panels, tooltips, equip effects, and trinkets (high chance; has a chance; etc)? We used to have proc rates in mop not anymore. Was the math too big and scary for people who get lost on their way out of northshire? Idk, but that extreme sandblasting of information has to stop.

All this consideration for the extremes of the population and they are letting everyone in the middle evaporate out of the box cause they forgot to put a proper lid when they were making the other sides.

TL;DR. They don't make Warcraft for niche groups. They make it to make money for their investors. Every decision is based on whether it will keep or add new subscribers.

[Ealyssa]

This is 2021, people still care about streamers?

you livin in a cave ? They have more followers now than ever before...

[Sansnom]

Then don't. Sounds like you want what everyone else is willing to work for, without you having to do anything. This entitled mentality is just another reason everything is going to shit. People dont wanna put in the effort but yet think they deserve it all. No one owes you ANYTHING. Work for it.. dont.. IDGAF but dont come whining when you arent willing to put in the work because honestly, I dont wanna here it... Something maybe your folks should have said to you.

That is not what the other person was asking for .They are simply asking for an alternative path for progression and one where the entry level is not decided by the player community.

The want a progression at their own pace. Sure it will be slower. Sure it will behind players such as yourself. Why is that an issue?

[rhorle]

The want a progression at their own pace. Sure it will be slower. Sure it will behind players such as yourself. Why is that an issue?

It isn't an issue to have a system like that. And it is what exists already and has for years. They can progress their character and will be behind other players in the game. What it comes down to in most of these cases is that these types of people want the best rewards with out having to do the content. So they are the ones that are not content with the progression path, and wall, of the chosen way to play the game.

They don't need the higher level gear from Raids and Mythic+ if they are not willing to step foot in that content. They can already over gear for the remaining content.

[Tadkins]

They don't need the higher level gear from Raids and Mythic+ if they are not willing to step foot in that content. They can already over gear for the remaining content.

Until ilvl brackets are a thing, random battlegrounds place both mythic raiders and world questers in the same arena to fight each other, with the latter having a massive disadvantage for no reason at all. Thus having available gear options is necessary.

[rhorle]

Until ilvl brackets are a thing, random battlegrounds place both mythic raiders and world questers in the same arena to fight each other, with the latter having a massive disadvantage for no reason at all. Thus having available gear options is necessary.

You do have available gear options to go higher. Make use of them rather then demanding ways that essentially give you everything for free. The difference between being entitled or not.

[aceperson]

it's geared towards casuals (though i wouldn't use the word casual to describe them) because it's easier to milk consumers with no standards of quality for a product. its the same reason the mobile game market is making crap tons of money. tons of idiots with no standards willing to pay for basically anything...

[Tadkins]

You do have available gear options to go higher. Make use of them rather then demanding ways that essentially give you everything for free. The difference between being entitled or not.

When people that you have to rely on aren't inviting you, they are not available gear options.

[rhorle]

When people that you have to rely on aren't inviting you, they are not available gear options.

Start your own groups then. There are options and if zero other players will invite you then there is either a reputation you have earned or a problem not related to the game. That still doesn't entitle you to something though.

[Osmeric]

When people that you have to rely on aren't inviting you, they are not available gear options.

You don't understand game design gaslighting. It's never the game's fault, it's always your fault.

Now stop complaining or you're going to make the game slap you again.

[Depakote]

Start your own groups then. There are options and if zero other players will invite you then there is either a reputation you have earned or a problem not related to the game. That still doesn't entitle you to something though.

It's always amusing seeing those that already have the best gear claim that those who want in to try and get the best gear are entitled.

[rhorle]

You don't understand game design gaslighting. It's never the game's fault, it's always your fault.

At some point players need to take responsibility for their actions and the way they choose to play a game. Putting it all the game is as much gas lighting as you accuse others of doing when saying a player needs some personal agency.

[Tadkins]

Start your own groups then. There are options and if zero other players will invite you then there is either a reputation you have earned or a problem not related to the game. That still doesn't entitle you to something though.

Or you're having to compete against people who look a lot better than you. There isn't much my lower ilvl mage is going to be able to do when dozens of other higher ilvl/score mages are taking the same slots, even as something as simple as a +2.

I am entitled to speak with my wallet though, which I am doing, and I am entitled to speak my feelings on the matter until Blizz fixes the issues with the game. And yes, it is an issue when so many people are being left out and just want a path to progression.

You don't understand game design gaslighting. It's never the game's fault, it's always your fault.

Now stop complaining or you're going to make the game slap you again.

Yeah, the victim blaming culture of this community is worrisome.

[rhorle]

It's always amusing seeing those that already have the best gear claim that those who want in to try and get the best gear are entitled.

I have an item level of 201 on my main. No where near the best gear and I have no entitlement to the past gear because I choose not to do higher levels of content. The amusing part is how much you failed at an insult and a counter argument.

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Or you're having to compete against people who look a lot better than you. There isn't much my lower ilvl mage is going to be able to do when dozens of other higher ilvl/score mages are taking the same slots.

So get better. Having gear won't change how you look to other people. Dozens of others are taking those slots anyways because there are hundreds of DPS applicants to groups. People are not being left out of progression. You have progression up to Mythic +4. You just can't go further and there is nothing wrong with different levels of content having different rewards structures.

You don't want a path to progression. You demand to have the best rewards with out having to do the progression that rewards it. This isn't a victim blaming culture. You literally keep playing the victim card then get upset when you are called out on it.

[Depakote]

I have an item level of 201 on my main. No where near the best gear and I have no entitlement to the past gear because I choose not to do higher levels of content. The amusing part is how much you failed at an insult and a counter argument.

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So get better. Having gear won't change how you look to other people. Dozens of others are taking those slots anyways because there are hundreds of DPS applicants to groups. People are not being left out of progression. You have progression up to Mythic +4. You just can't go further and there is nothing wrong with different levels of content having different rewards structures.

You don't want a path to progression. You demand to have the best rewards with out having to do the progression that rewards it. This isn't a victim blaming culture. You literally keep playing the victim card then get upset when you are called out on it.

Wasn't trying to insult, just an observation. Nice bait attempt though!

[rhorle]

Wasn't trying to insult, just an observation. Nice bait attempt though!

So the truth is bait? Weird how it is only your flawed "observation" that is accepted by you.

[Tadkins]

You don't want a path to progression. You demand to have the best rewards with out having to do the progression that rewards it. This isn't a victim blaming culture. You literally keep playing the victim card then get upset when you are called out on it.

Never claimed to want the best gear, that's just a myth you guys are trying to spread about me. Look as far and wide as you're able, you'll never find a post of me asking for 226 gear from WQs. I just want to be able to progress to decent gear on my own, enough to make it so that I'm not utterly crushed if I queue for a BG. I just want to be able to play the game when other people cannot be relied upon.