Why Garrosh hate Alliance so much?

[darkoms]

I mean, he even doesn't know about Alliance before BC, and his father was killed by demon, not Alliance

[TheFirstOnes]

Cause the Alliance treated his father like shit, and he believed in total conquest over his enemies, while also believing in a perfect life for the Horde, where the Alliance was dominated instead of the Horde, namely as a taste of their own medicine.

He wanted Global power against his foes, and he wanted it soon. The dude was a true personification of a Warchief prior to MoP’s later interpretation of him.

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A lot of what Garrosh did in Cata was military focused only so that the Horde could gain more ground and territory against the Alliance.

From MoP however, the dude became Orc Hitler, or even someone like Megatron tbh.

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Hell, Garrosh reminds me of Megatron tbh

[Lothaeryn]

One of those mysteries that never really get answered; wanting to feed his people and starting a war to get them is one thing, but the sheer animosity he showed the Alliance during that war was straight unhinged rage that really had no historical background to justify it. If there is actual context in a book I've yet to see or hear of it.

[TheFirstOnes]

Well, Transformers Prime Megatron I mean.

[Villager720]

I’d wager because he grew up on tales of the First and Second Wars and the ‘glory’ of the Old Horde.
There is a good chance he never really saw another perspective on the Alliance (and the Horde for that matter) until BC.
Then, upon arriving on Azeroth, he sees the Alliance continuing to hinder the expansion/prosperity of the Horde/Orcs via “peace”.

[aceperson]

i think it has more to do with being from the warsong clan. that clan was VERY combat driven. garrosh was ashamed of his father because of the demon blood incident but when he learned his father also freed their people, he started becoming more strong willed and headed. so probably a combination of trying to live up to the idol of the fel orcs, grom, as well as being raised to seek combat and conquer everything.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

He didn’t hate the alliance he just thought they were weak, standing in the way of the things his people need to survive and out to get the horde, and For the most part he wasn’t wrong.

[DatToffer]

He was questioning (and not agreeing) with how Thrall led the orcs into Durotar. Let's not forget that Thrall thought the hardship of the desert would be a perfect way for the orcs to redeem themselves as a people.

Garrosh saw everyone having a hard time there and thought it was not the way. But when he questioned it, he was mostly shut down by orcs who thought he couldn't understand what they went through, because he was a mag'har. He didn't live through the internment camps, etc.

That's pretty much all he knew about the Alliance : They had all the resources the orcs needed, they abused his people when they were at their weakest point and they are led by Varian who keeps calling them beasts and kinda had a thirst for Horde blood at the time (legitimate, but that's not the point).

So he decided to give his people strength, pride and everything they needed. He neglected the rest of the Horde who made it clear they were not on board with his ambitions. I guess he got pretty much paranoid, because everyone who could have been an ally turned into an enemy. The only faction who followed him were the goblins and he knew they were just opportunistic little rascals. On top of that, he had to watch over Sylvanas whereabouts, on the other side of the world.

So yeah, to him, the important thing was pretty much for the Orcs to thrive and in order to do that, the Alliance had to perish.

[Super Dickmann]

What @DatToffer said. Garrosh didn't start out with any animus against the humans but gained it when seeing that they all had a bunch of things the orcs didn't and were being belligerent while Thrall let this go on and when it comes to their resource situation was tacitly responsible for it. The fact that he didn't have a frame of reference and was never corrupted himself actually emphasizes this - he has no role in anything that shaped the human-orc relationship, positive or negative, and even his father didn't since Grom only ever fought the Alliance after the two wars were ever over and wasn't actually involved in anything morally untoward towards the humans. Combine that with the Alliance being at the peak of its hostility regarding the orcs exactly during Wrath despite Thrall falling over himself to appease them and it's a good cocktail for Garrosh to have a very low opinion of humans.

While this isn't actually emphasized I also figure there's some of his daddy issues in it - Grom liberated the orcs, he's the semi-foundational figure of the Horde in Durotar. Garrosh then is continuing his work by fighting the people who are now keeping them from living the life Grom allowed them to have. We know other Warsong have that view and it's easy to figure Garrosh was influenced by them and saw his father overcoming the demons and his (eventual) overcoming of the Alliance as analogous:

His name will not die.
His sacrifice will always
serve to show the way.

Shackles once that choked
the inhale of honor's breath
no longer bind us.

Can you hear his scream?
A battle wail for the Horde:
Victory or death!

We must remember
his strength in the face of death.
His dream, now made real.

Dangers everywhere!
Enemies seek to bring us
back to the shackles.

When we fight, think of
he who did what must be done.
Hellscream, forever!

Grom's full name - Grommash - means "The Giant's Heart"; it took that and more to stand alone against Mannoroth. I think the Warchief said it best when the curse of the orcs began and ended with Grom. Fitting that Grom's sacrifice - and perhaps redemption - would be the wellspring from which the Horde flows today.

[Terrorthatflapsinthenight]

They defeated the Old Horde, stopped the Orcs from conquering Azeroth and making it their home and imprisonned the majority of the orcs. Garrosh is someone who never grew out of the vision of the Old Horde being a glorious machine for conquest and war, to him the problem with the Old Horde was that it was the puppet of the Burning Legion, used Fel magic and that they drank the blood of Mannoroth, not that the Horde was built for a terrible and honorless cause to genocide an entire species which only wanted to live in peace based on a gigantic lie, or that it devastated many countries of Azeroth and massacred countless innocents.

His hatred of the Alliance was also fueled by his envy and ressentment of the Alliance races having better lands and ressources than the Orcs, and the belief that they were the obstacle into the Horde prosperity and "glory".

[Varodoc]

Because he was a psychopath, there's not much left to say on the subject. That kind of hatred towards someone or something is not acceptable.

He literally went to Hell too so...

[Arikara]

Because the entire narrative purpose he was created to serve was to cause friction and faction conflict, nevermind that his background gives him little reason to have those motivations

Too bad some fools took him seriously and started thinking he was cool

[AwkwardSquirtle]

Because he was a psychopath, there's not much left to say on the subject. That kind of hatred towards someone or something is not acceptable.

He literally went to Hell too so...

Garrosh ended up in Purgatory. Denathrius said he was one of Revendreth's biggest sources of Anima. Presumably at some point the Jailer comandeered this giant battery.

[cparle87]

I’d wager because he grew up on tales of the First and Second Wars and the ‘glory’ of the Old Horde.
There is a good chance he never really saw another perspective on the Alliance (and the Horde for that matter) until BC.
Then, upon arriving on Azeroth, he sees the Alliance continuing to hinder the expansion/prosperity of the Horde/Orcs via “peace”.

Except he didn't. All he knew was that his people turned into bloodthirsty monsters, his father was the first, they were left behind because they were sick and weak, and they marched through the portal and came back beaten over a decade later. He knew one chieftain came to Greatmother Geyah to ask for help, was refused, and left.

[Super Dickmann]

Garrosh ended up in Purgatory. Denathrius said he was one of Revendreth's biggest sources of Anima. Presumably at some point the Jailer comandeered this giant battery.

I can see why he'd be so convinced he did nothing wrong given how his opponents ended up. Vol'jin ended up stabbed by a trash mob, Sylvanas became the goon of a giant Blue Man from another dimension after repeating a shit version of his story, Baine got thrown off a cliff, Thrall ended up an irreparable depressive and Sadfang became a trinket. No wonder his smugness is a measurable resource that's extracted to power a zone and explain a raid mechanic.

[Arrashi]

I can see why he'd be so convinced he did nothing wrong given how his opponents ended up. Vol'jin ended up stabbed by a trash mob, Sylvanas became the goon of a giant Blue Man from another dimension after repeating a shit version of his story, Baine got thrown off a cliff, Thrall ended up an irreparable depressive and Sadfang became a trinket. No wonder his smugness is a measurable resource that's extracted to power a zone and explain a raid mechanic.

Proving once again that Garrosh was Omni-Chad.

[kodemonkee]

It's all Thrall's fault.

[Super Dickmann]

Proving once again that Garrosh was Omni-Chad.

Died carrying this irreparable faction so his afterlife is carrying the underworld. It's like pottery, it rhymes.

If all the crying about compassion in the narrative means Green Jesus and Jaina will have to apologize to Garrosh the way Uther will have to forgive Arthas I'll never stop laughing.

[Syegfryed]

It is explained why in the heart of war, his short story.

Garrosh though it was unfair how the orcs were hunt down by the alliance, who was not willingly to leave then live in peace, imagine coming to a place where you Learn that your people is being hunted down even after running away to another continent? He didn't thought what happened when they were controlled by demons was enough reason, for him, the orcs already paid in blood for what they did, especially after the camps.

He though it was unfair the orcs being blamed by the sins of their fathers, living in bad conditions and jeopardy at the mercy of an enemy power because thrall wanted peace with the people who want to kill then.

Those things kept escalating until he nurtured a deep hatred against the alliance that later became to anyone because they made him villain.

Cause the Alliance treated his father like shit,

Nor rly? it was because the reasons show in heart of war, his shot story

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I guess he got pretty much paranoid, because everyone who could have been an ally turned into an enemy. The only faction who followed him were the goblins and he knew they were just opportunistic little rascals. On top of that, he had to watch over Sylvanas whereabouts, on the other side of the world.

Of course he would be, its not uncommon for people ruling to have those problems, especially when you are not a "leader" but a soldier. Put that on the fact that every advisor Thrall said would help him turn their backs, trying to undermine his position and one straight up saying he was going to kill him

Imagine being threated to death by one of the strongest shadow hunter, always looking at your back fearing a arrow in your heart.

And he was the only one to see throw Sylvanas bullshit and made to sure to put eyes on her. All of that is mentally exhausting to anyone.

[DatToffer]

Of course he would be, its not uncommon for people ruling to have those problems, especially when you are not a "leader" but a soldier. Put that on the fact that every advisor Thrall said would help him turn their backs, trying to undermine his position and one straight up saying he was going to kill him

Imagine being threated to death by one of the strongest shadow hunter, always looking at your back fearing a arrow in your heart.

And he was the only one to see throw Sylvanas bullshit and made to sure to put eyes on her. All of that is mentally exhausting to anyone.

Yeah. Though I'm not sure Blizzard ever acknowledged it that way. That part of the story felt more like foreshadowing on Garrosh turning bad, than something to actually challenge and develop his character.