"Primals will average 300g each if gold wipe won't happen"

[Low Hanging Fruit]

Blizzard probably would want them to go up to 500-600g. Then the token is all but ushered in by thunderous cheering the glory of having less real money in the pursuit of having more made up money with the excuse of.. "but my time.. I am so critical.. now lets sit AFK in games for 4 hours a day because.. my time".

[Asrialol]

I mean, it was partially a joke but there's a thread talking about guilds losing member's left and right. And even if they aren't actually unsubscribed, if they aren't actively playing them their gold may as well be considered out of the economy until they're back.

Also what a literal waste of money to not unsubscribe if you aren't playing, doesn't matter how much you make that's just dumb.

You'd be surprised how many people who don't unsub on Netflix, Spotify and such streaming services even if they don't use the service at all, or just an hour a month. It's quite common actually.

[Ivarr]

Implying people bother to actually unsub for a few months..

That's the only way to get Blizzard committed to evergreen content.

[Ragedaug]

Could be because a lot of people are other professions now for crafted gear / enchants / engineering, I suppose? And back in the day a lot of people went JC because it was new.

My guess is that ore suffers the same problem we saw in Classic, which is why ore was and still is quite a bit more expensive than it was in the Original Vanilla & BC. Same number of ore spawns for a much larger number of players.

I remember days circling Un'Goro or Winterspring seeing maybe one to two nodes in an hour. Now I'm seeing the same in Outland. That didn't happen in the original. I can remember seeing a 1-3 nodes (or more) is a single pass around a zone.

So that is to say, with ore prices inflated and green quality gems essentially worthless, it doesn't pay to prospect gems unless the price of blue quality gems is very inflated to offset the cost of paying 5-10 gold per stack of ore just to prospect a 50 silver gem.

[kranur]

Think we can give the "classic gold will ruin tbc economy shit" a rest. It didn't happen in the original tbc and it didn't happen now.

[AeneasBK]

I went through the Dark portal with epic ground riding skill and 35g and by the time I'd finished all the quests* and made maybe 400g from selling things (mostly motes/primals and leather) I found along the way had enough to buy epic flying so not sure it's quite the goldsink people make out. TBC throws gold at you.

[Relapses]

Think we can give the "classic gold will ruin tbc economy shit" a rest. It didn't happen in the original tbc and it didn't happen now.

I'm fine with admitting my suppositions were wrong though I will say that the overarching reason I was wrong has a lot more to do with the number of people still playing Classic than it does the economy itself.

[Gouca]

TBC throws gold at you.

Only if you don't raid. The median for Terocone across all servers is 6.5g each. Default Haste Potion twice per pull will cost you around 30g each. Add that to elixirs, scrolls, runes, weapon oils / stones and other consumables and a single wipe will cost 100-200g. The TBC gold system was designed to support you for expenses, such as consumables and epic flying, but not to this degree.

Pretty much all the few people I know that only started playing in TBC have all been forced to buy gold last month already. Nothing except raid consumables have any value and herbs are being botted harshly already.

[Schmeebs]

Only if you don't raid. The median for Terocone across all servers is 6.5g each. Default Haste Potion twice per pull will cost you around 30g each. Add that to elixirs, scrolls, runes, weapon oils / stones and other consumables and a single wipe will cost 100-200g. The TBC gold system was designed to support you for expenses, such as consumables and epic flying, but not to this degree.

Pretty much all the few people I know that only started playing in TBC have all been forced to buy gold last month already. Nothing except raid consumables have any value and herbs are being botted harshly already.

You don't need to slam haste pots to clear t4 content.

[anon5123]

It didn't happen in the original tbc

To be fair, people weren't sitting on literally millions of botted gold in 2006, and having GDKPs where single items sold for 40,000+

but yes

[AeneasBK]

Only if you don't raid.

No. TBC throws gold at you. Just go and kill mobs and vendor the greens and you'll make your ludicrous raid expenses in no time (lol @ 2x haste pots per pull and, to a lesser extent, wiping). Soon there will be dailies to farm gold from, too.

Like, if you claimed : "Only if you're not in a super tryhard we-will-wipe-the-boss-deliberately-so-people-can-parse-harder raiding guild" then I'd not dispute it. But you don't even need consumables to raid at the moment, and frankly I'd be pretty amazed if you really needed them for t5; but we will see.

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all been forced to buy gold last month already.

Sounds like your friends just don't really enjoy World of Warcraft if they feel they "need" to buy gold, when you can literally just play the game and get it all. And that's fine, lots of people hate everything about WoW except for the tiny sliver they do enjoy.

[Prozach]

But you don't even need consumables to raid at the moment, and frankly I'd be pretty amazed if you really needed them for t5; but we will see.

Of course they aren't *needed*. But they give us a 1.5 hour Kara and will save us time on t5, 6, etc. So why not? I basically quit Classic Vanilla less than a year into the game. I spent the two weeks before BC grinding epic riding. Then sold everything imaginable while leveling to 70 to buy regular flying, between main and alt questing finally made it to epic flying and now I'm just sitting on 10k gold. There's no reason to NOT buy consumables unless you're just cheap and lazy at this point. Hell, you can just do daily heroics and have more than enough for a flasks and stones, oil, whatever.

[AeneasBK]

Of course they aren't *needed*. But they give us a 1.5 hour Kara and will save us time on t5, 6, etc. So why not? I basically quit Classic Vanilla less than a year into the game. I spent the two weeks before BC grinding epic riding. Then sold everything imaginable while leveling to 70 to buy regular flying, between main and alt questing finally made it to epic flying and now I'm just sitting on 10k gold. There's no reason to NOT buy consumables unless you're just cheap and lazy at this point. Hell, you can just do daily heroics and have more than enough for a flasks and stones, oil, whatever.

I don't know if you're following the conversation, I never said not to, I just said it isn't a necessary expense and that the game throws money at you. Which you seem to agree with.

They were trying to pretend that anyone who raids has to be spending hundreds of gold a week, which is flat out false. Unless you're trying to hit 100 or 99 parses. In which case more strength to you. But it isn't a "only if you don't raid" thing.

[Talon8669]

MMO-Champion promised me an easy epic flying for all my alts due to hyperinflated primal prices because everyone will have zillions of gold. My primals sell for 4g-40g each. What happened?

Pretty simple honestly, the market is flooded right now and has been since release. Back in the TBC people were farming but, at least on my server, not nearly as many as I see now. It's crazy and with the dynamic respawns there's so many primals to farm. When I was farming for my spell cloth back in original TBC is was like every single day for hours on end. So I would say a flooded market is driving the costs down, and as the demand continues to decrease you'll see the costs continue to drop unless the bots and hardcore farmers drop off.

[Prozach]

Nothing except raid consumables have any value and herbs are being botted harshly already.

Also, like...what else did you expect to be of value? If you want gold, you dungeon or learn a gathering material. Or Alt. Crafting was never really designed to be profitable past the first few weeks for the try-hards who couldn't perform without it. Maybe the problem is your wiping. I can't remember wiping on anything in over a month and, even then, it was from an idiot guildie leaving auto-run on after Maulgar trash.

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I don't know if you're following the conversation, I never said not to, I just said it isn't a necessary expense and that the game throws money at you. Which you seem to agree with.

They were trying to pretend that anyone who raids has to be spending hundreds of gold a week, which is flat out false. Unless you're trying to hit 100 or 99 parses. In which case more strength to you. But it isn't a "only if you don't raid" thing.

Yeah, I went back to clarify and you're right; there's no reason you should be spending hundreds upon hundreds raiding every week. I'm thinking you pop a flask and some oil and you're done for the night. Nothing that's being raided right now should take more than 2 hours. Or 3 if you're doing everything in one night. SSC/TK will take a couple of nights initially but be on farm in a month. I don't understand people feeling the need to use haste potions on every pull. That just tells me they don't understand their class mechanics, they're running with bad players or they're just padding parses, which I wouldn't call a "necessity" the way they make it seem.

[Ealyssa]

Implying people bother to actually unsub for a few months.

Implying that somehow being subbed impact the economy even when you dont log in anymore.

wtf ???

[Ehrenpanzer]

MMO-Champion promised me an easy epic flying for all my alts due to hyperinflated primal prices because everyone will have zillions of gold. My primals sell for 4g-40g each. What happened?

Still really easy to make gold on the AH.. you just have to know how

[roboscorcher]

MMO-Champion promised me an easy epic flying for all my alts due to hyperinflated primal prices because everyone will have zillions of gold. My primals sell for 4g-40g each. What happened?

"Youtubers promised me their new crypto would go to the moon, due to all their fans buying it at once. Then they sold out and my coins are worth nothing now. What happened?"

[Th1ghsofSteel]

You don't need to slam haste pots to clear t4 content.

Agree 100%.
I have cleared everything about 3 weeks ago after some summer time fun. Not used a haste potion don’t have mongoose, only 3 of our team do.
T4 with current knowledge is enjoyable but not difficult.

[Mightytasty]

Only if you don't raid. The median for Terocone across all servers is 6.5g each. Default Haste Potion twice per pull will cost you around 30g each. Add that to elixirs, scrolls, runes, weapon oils / stones and other consumables and a single wipe will cost 100-200g. The TBC gold system was designed to support you for expenses, such as consumables and epic flying, but not to this degree.

Pretty much all the few people I know that only started playing in TBC have all been forced to buy gold last month already. Nothing except raid consumables have any value and herbs are being botted harshly already.

Imagine feeling “forced to buy gold” to clear Karazhan.

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