Fate of Afghanistan, Taliban resurgence

[JohnBrown1917]

Call it a hunch or perhaps it's more of knowledge you get from being edgy but Islamic extremism seems to be taking root in those who are already among..the far right I think you call it now?

O there is some level of revulsion between the two, foul fighting awful if you will but there is enough common ground there that in time I can see the two folding into one another.

Is it a far stretch for you to see the parallels between the far right and Islamic beliefs?

The far right in the US is already very religious, and you can't tell the difference between any sort of religious extremism, so it hardly matters whether they stay christian or turn to islam.

[Edge-]

Call it a hunch or perhaps it's more of knowledge you get from being edgy but Islamic extremism seems to be taking root in those who are already among..the far right I think you call it now?

O there is some level of revulsion between the two, foul fighting awful if you will but there is enough common ground there that in time I can see the two folding into one another.

Is it a far stretch for you to see the parallels between the far right and Islamic beliefs?

Hey, if you're gonna argue that the US needs to take right wing domestic extremism more seriously, you're speaking my language.

[Krakan]

Hey, if you're gonna argue that the US needs to take right wing domestic extremism more seriously, you're speaking my language.

Not against the notion. Just seems likely to me to be the next step in where things will go.

[Endus]

the taliban has popular support and most support their ideals (based on the pew polls) the taliban is basically right now it seems a super fucked up government with popular support, thats why the afghan military didnt want to fight them.
Taliban is basically a legitimate government and is already recognized by russia and china. We tolerate and support many governments with fucked up ideals- if the taliban dosent attack americans, and dosent harbor terrorist who attack americans again. americans will probably end up not caring. pre 2001 we were totally cool with them until 9/11.

Another point that really should be taken note of is that, as much as people hate the Taliban (and I am not defending their extremism, here, just making a point about normalisation and inconsistency), there's a weird discrepancy in the USA when it comes to other political entities, like the Saudi regime in particular. Where, y'know, women weren't allowed to drive until very recently; they're hardly equal-rights leaders in the region. The Taliban got built up as an "enemy" not because of how they acted, but because of connections to Al-Qaeda as the USA went on a revenge tour after 9/11. It wasn't ideological, it was personal.

I'm not saying "the Taliban aren't that bad", I'm saying "the Taliban aren't really any worse than long-term American allies that most Americans don't seem to care that much about". If you're expecting strong American action against the Taliban because of their treatment of women and such, that's just never gonna happen.

[Corvus]

A woman shot dead in the street for refusing to wear a burka. Others shot dead for protesting the removal of the Afghan flag in Jalalabad. Men being tarred and lynched. Surrendered soldiers being tortured and executed. The Northern Alliance reforming to fight the Taliban. Rape gangs hunting for 12 year old girls.

Yeah, the Taliban isn't going to get the peace it promised. And that means China won't get to exploit the country like it wants.

[PC2]

A woman shot dead in the street for refusing to wear a burka. Others shot dead for protesting the removal of the Afghan flag in Jalalabad. Men being tarred and lynched. Surrendered soldiers being tortured and executed. The Northern Alliance reforming to fight the Taliban. Rape gangs hunting for 12 year old girls.

Yeah, the Taliban isn't going to get the peace it promised. And that means China won't get to exploit the country like it wants.

wth, it's crazy intolerance...

How does 1% or less of the male Afghanistan population(The Taliban) dominate the other 99%? Seems like it shouldn't and doesn't have to be that way.

[Diaphin]

wth, it's crazy intolerance...

How does 1% or less of the male Afghanistan population(The Taliban) dominate the other 99%? Seems like it shouldn't and doesn't have to be that way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs

That basically.

[tehdang]

wth, it's crazy intolerance...

How does 1% or less of the male Afghanistan population(The Taliban) dominate the other 99%? Seems like it shouldn't and doesn't have to be that way.

A more militant form of Islam compared to historically Pashtun etc etc.
Authentic claim to Jihad to stir young men in a primarily illiterate society.
Connections in Pakistan & Iran (historical shelter & support from both), connections to other jihadist organizations like al-Qaeda (historical harboring, coexistence, recently set prisoners free)
Existing relations to local warlords in Afghanistan, except in northern parts until recent conquest
Taliban give their fighters child brides, forced marriages
Usual road to dictator paths for leadership, will to power, a combination of ideology, ruthless execution, whatever you want to call it
Other things bordering on banned topics

[Krakan]

wth, it's crazy intolerance...

How does 1% or less of the male Afghanistan population(The Taliban) dominate the other 99%? Seems like it shouldn't and doesn't have to be that way.

It's far more then 1%... they are living the way they want to live now that they have thrown off their oppressors. I doubt any sentiments from the population barring an extreme fringe group that is now in hiding and facing their deaths was ever against the Taliban.

[TexasRules]

“My national security team and I have been closely monitoring the situation on the ground in Afghanistan and moving quickly to execute the plans we had put in place to respond to every [contingency] including the rapid collapse we’re seeing now,” Biden stated Monday.

“The time frame of a rapid collapse, that was widely estimated. It ranged from weeks to months and even years following our departure,” Milley said. “There was nothing that I, or anyone else, saw that indicated a collapse of [the Afghan] army and this government in 11 days.”

Well which is it?

White House Deputy Press Secretary Andrew Bates:
https://twitter.com/AndrewJBates46/s...72570880618498

"'The administration didn’t anticipate a Taliban takeover, at least not an immediate one.' False. That possibility was in intelligence reports. The administration placed thousands of troops in the region to arrive promptly in the event of a swift disintegration."

So, what he is saying is that since the administration expected this and prepared for it, the end result shows their incredible incompetence...or does he think the evacuation that left over ten thousand US Citizens and people vulnerable because they helped us was done right? Also , Bates said we had troops stationed in the region to arrive swiftly, yet deployed troops from Fort Bragg? Which is it? This is why Psaki should not go on vacation, she spins stuff better

[postman1782]

“My national security team and I have been closely monitoring the situation on the ground in Afghanistan and moving quickly to execute the plans we had put in place to respond to every [contingency] including the rapid collapse we’re seeing now,” Biden stated Monday.

“The time frame of a rapid collapse, that was widely estimated. It ranged from weeks to months and even years following our departure,” Milley said. “There was nothing that I, or anyone else, saw that indicated a collapse of [the Afghan] army and this government in 11 days.”

Well which is it?

White House Deputy Press Secretary Andrew Bates:
https://twitter.com/AndrewJBates46/s...72570880618498


So, what he is saying is that since the administration expected this and prepared for it, the end result shows their incredible incompetence...or does he think the evacuation that left over ten thousand US Citizens and people vulnerable because they helped us was done right? Also , Bates said we had troops stationed in the region to arrive swiftly, yet deployed troops from Fort Bragg? Which is it? This is why Psaki should not go on vacation, she spins stuff better

Why aren't you blaming the people responsible for this in the first fucking place? Trump literally released their new leader 2 years ago. He also negotiated this piss poor deal.

We knew that the country would fall, but blaming Biden for this shit is disingenuous.

[PhaelixWW]

“My national security team and I have been closely monitoring the situation on the ground in Afghanistan and moving quickly to execute the plans we had put in place to respond to every [contingency] including the rapid collapse we’re seeing now,” Biden stated Monday.

“The time frame of a rapid collapse, that was widely estimated. It ranged from weeks to months and even years following our departure,” Milley said. “There was nothing that I, or anyone else, saw that indicated a collapse of [the Afghan] army and this government in 11 days.”

Well which is it?

Both?

You can prepare a plan for a quick evacuation, and still not expect to use it less than two weeks after the bulk of the forces leave the country. You're ignoring the idea that a quick evacuation might still have been necessary even months from now, if it had taken the Taliban longer to take over much of the surrounding area before a concentrated push on Kabul at that point.

So, what he is saying is that since the administration expected this and prepared for it, the end result shows their incredible incompetence...

Anticipating the possibility is not the same thing as expecting it. And they could have anticipated the possibility of a swift breakdown, but still thought it would take at least a month or so to happen. The incredible incompetence here is on the part of the Afghan president and their army not even making a token effort and just rolling over for the Taliban.

[Mihalik]

I think that is more a western concept. For most religion is religion you follow it or you don't. The buffet style you just practice parts or even just the vague outline of it is more a western idea.

That's really not the case tho.

Sects, denominations, schools of thought etc are as widespread in other religions as in Christianity.

Islam is not a monolith. Not in how it is practiced and most certainly not in how it interprets Sharia law.

Right now Islam is dominated by a fundamentalist revivalism to a large extent based on Salafism, but with a lot of local or regional variation.

Shia and Sunni fundamentalism is different, as is Wahabbi and Deobandi are different etc.

The fundamentalist variations of Islam have been for decades supported by Western and Western aligned powers to counter the spread of Socialism and Pan-Arabism in Islamic and Arab countries respectively.

[YUPPIE]

I said this before, but what will happen if the Taliban and China launch a military offense against the US and its allies? That was speculation before. Now this is very much reality and something that can happen. China already stated they saw this as an opportunity to launch their attack on Taiwan soon.

[PhaelixWW]

I said this before, but what will happen if the Taliban and China launch a military offense against the US and its allies? That was speculation before. Now this is very much reality and something that can happen. China already stated they saw this as an opportunity to launch their attack on Taiwan soon.

There's no reality in that.

[Azadina]

I said this before, but what will happen if the Taliban and China launch a military offense against the US and its allies? That was speculation before. Now this is very much reality and something that can happen. China already stated they saw this as an opportunity to launch their attack on Taiwan soon.

I've said this before also; take your daily antipsychotics. You're all the way in lalaland again, insisting it to be the reality.

[YUPPIE]

There's no reality in that.

1. The Taliban said they were looking into amicable relations with China for their resources

2. The Taliban's victory over the US is seen as a legendary feat and they boast as such, inspiring terror across the globe. After all, they're violent cavemen that caused a military superpower to withdraw

3. China issued a warning against Taiwan after all this
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/18/china...hnk/index.html

[Flarelaine]

A more militant form of Islam compared to historically Pashtun etc etc.
Authentic claim to Jihad to stir young men in a primarily illiterate society.
Connections in Pakistan & Iran (historical shelter & support from both), connections to other jihadist organizations like al-Qaeda (historical harboring, coexistence, recently set prisoners free)
Existing relations to local warlords in Afghanistan, except in northern parts until recent conquest
Taliban give their fighters child brides, forced marriages
Usual road to dictator paths for leadership, will to power, a combination of ideology, ruthless execution, whatever you want to call it
Other things bordering on banned topics

Cannot stress that one enough.

They are living the incel dream.

[Yadryonych]

attack on Taiwan.

The "attack" would go pretty much as well as conquest of afghania went: with no taiwanian willing to die for american interests some would flee with money the rest would succumb

[ParanoiD84]

I can guarantee they will start going door to door grabbing the youngest girls avaible as brides in no time, 9-10 year olds.