WTF is Happening in Texas? 666 New Laws in Effect Today

[downnola]

Perhaps you can provide any reasonable arguments beyond just stating that something is "bullshit" or "pseudo-science" and I might change my mind on those subjects, but as it stands now I've over the past years consumed more evidence on the contrary.

And you won't link them because you know you'd be laughed off this forum and banned for posting shit you found on /pol/ and Stormfront. Not that tiptoeing around "your own research" keeps you from getting hit with the ban stick when you derail threads with your racist horseshit, anyways.

[Shadowferal]

We have until Oct 1st before the SC hears the argument from the DoJ to block the law...would that be a cock-block?

Meanwhile, DOJ documents impacts of Texas abortion ban in new court filings

[Edge-]

We have until Oct 1st before the SC hears the argument from the DoJ to block the law...would that be a cock-block?

Meanwhile, DOJ documents impacts of Texas abortion ban in new court filings

Man, listening how much policy has been filtered through the SCOTUS with the Legislature being fantastically unproductive over the past decade is wild. The courts, specifically the SCOTUS, is the primary creator of policy nowadays, literally conjuring things up where it doesn't exist.

https://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-a...ate=2021-09-09

Great interview on this, and I hope we can do something about it. Having unelected judges with lifetime appointments being responsible for modern legislation and policy making in a democracy is pretty whack.

[Xyonai]

Interesting tag-team of bad-faith posting happening here.

Yeah, really weird how one poster just happened to mosey on in as soon as the other was banned to pick up the torch for the exact same derailing argument.

I wonder if it's to help keep the characters consistent.

[Hollycakes]

Yeah, really weird how one poster just happened to mosey on in as soon as the other was banned to pick up the torch for the exact same derailing argument.

I wonder if it's to help keep the characters consistent.

Weird I was thinking this too but then thought, god that sounds paranoid.
Thank you for saying was I was afraid to lol
Odd timing for sure.

Also points for using mosey outside of RDR2.

[Draco-Onis]

We have until Oct 1st before the SC hears the argument from the DoJ to block the law...would that be a cock-block?

Meanwhile, DOJ documents impacts of Texas abortion ban in new court filings

Frankly a lot of the blame is still on democrats for not passing a law because they want to use it to rile up the base. Even now they could be pushing for getting rid of the filibuster and making Roe the law of the land.

[Edge-]

Frankly a lot of the blame is still on democrats for not passing a law because they want to use it to rile up the base. Even now they could be pushing for getting rid of the filibuster and making Roe the law of the land.

They literally are, there are just a few frustrating holdouts and zero support from Republicans. Without a stronger majority in the House/Senate, especially with more progressives, how do you see them passing this? When was their opportunity in say, the past decade as the issue has become increasingly relevant?

I'm not freeing them from all blame, but pointing most of the blame to them as the ones at fault - rather than the Republican party who are actually responsible for creating Legislative gridlock and pushing policy making to the judicial branch as they pack it - is kinda silly.

[Endus]

Frankly a lot of the blame is still on democrats for not passing a law because they want to use it to rile up the base. Even now they could be pushing for getting rid of the filibuster and making Roe the law of the land.

The steady spiraling-down of the USA on social issues can be firmly laid at the Democrats' feet, honestly. It's the ratchet effect. The Republicans push things rightward, ratcheting things that direction, and then when the Democrats are in power, so many of them are conservatives themselves that they stridently oppose any leftward shifts. The gear occasionally slips a notch here or there, but overall, the trend has been rightward, and progress has largely occurred either at the State level (legalization of pot, for instance) or through the courts, operating on base legal principles (like the gay marriage ruling).

Because the Democrats don't pull things back to the left when they have the chance. They're conservative, and try to stabilize the ground the Republicans have pulled them into, rather than aiming for anything left-wing.

The Democrats have been fucking around and passing into law very little of real progress. They hold up as victories basic procedural defaults, like infrastructure spending or pandemic support payments, which shouldn't be partisan to begin with.

Even Roe v. Wade is just a chickenshit dodge of the real issue, because even Democrats aren't comfortable making pro-choice the actual law of the land; Roe v. Wade just makes it a privacy issue so the government shouldn't stick their noses in.

[Draco-Onis]

They literally are, there are just a few frustrating holdouts and zero support from Republicans. Without a stronger majority in the House/Senate, especially with more progressives, how do you see them passing this? When was their opportunity in say, the past decade as the issue has become increasingly relevant?

I'm not freeing them from all blame, but pointing most of the blame to them as the ones at fault - rather than the Republican party who are actually responsible for creating Legislative gridlock and pushing policy making to the judicial branch as they pack it - is kinda silly.

Get rid of the filibuster it's way past time to do it. Republicans have always had this plan democrats have done jack shit to stop them. I am tired of democrats being bumbling buffoons.

[Endus]

They literally are, there are just a few frustrating holdouts and zero support from Republicans. Without a stronger majority in the House/Senate, especially with more progressives, how do you see them passing this? When was their opportunity in say, the past decade as the issue has become increasingly relevant?

I'm not freeing them from all blame, but pointing most of the blame to them as the ones at fault - rather than the Republican party who are actually responsible for creating Legislative gridlock and pushing policy making to the judicial branch as they pack it - is kinda silly.

To be clear on my own response to that post; I don't see the Democrats passing it. Because the Democrats don't want to pass it. Same reason Obama was super in favor of deporting immigrants and killing innocents with drone strikes as collateral damage. Because even the bet of the Democrats really don't lean far left at all. Hell, I'm finding Biden more and more offensive, because he's really pushing this "folksy wisdom" facade while continuing to basically change nothing, and pursuing no significant overhauls.

It's not that the Democrats don't have the votes to fix the problem. It's that the Democrats are an institutional and systemic part of the problem.

[Draco-Onis]

The steady spiraling-down of the USA on social issues can be firmly laid at the Democrats' feet, honestly. It's the ratchet effect. The Republicans push things rightward, ratcheting things that direction, and then when the Democrats are in power, so many of them are conservatives themselves that they stridently oppose any leftward shifts. The gear occasionally slips a notch here or there, but overall, the trend has been rightward, and progress has largely occurred either at the State level (legalization of pot, for instance) or through the courts, operating on base legal principles (like the gay marriage ruling).

Because the Democrats don't pull things back to the left when they have the chance. They're conservative, and try to stabilize the ground the Republicans have pulled them into, rather than aiming for anything left-wing.

The Democrats have been fucking around and passing into law very little of real progress. They hold up as victories basic procedural defaults, like infrastructure spending or pandemic support payments, which shouldn't be partisan to begin with.

Even Roe v. Wade is just a chickenshit dodge of the real issue, because even Democrats aren't comfortable making pro-choice the actual law of the land; Roe v. Wade just makes it a privacy issue so the government shouldn't stick their noses in.

Exactly right democrats are a very frustrating they don't know how to capitalize and course correct. Republicans have been eating their lunch for decades.

[Endus]

Exactly right democrats are a very frustrating they don't know how to capitalize and course correct. Republicans have been eating their lunch for decades.

Increasingly, "Democrat or Republican?" feels kind of like "Hitler or Stalin?" Sure, in 1939, let's get Stalin on board with the Allies, Hitler's obviously the bigger issue right now and we need Stalin to help take him down. But that didn't mean Stalin was a good guy.

Another non-terrible option is simply never offered.

I don't think that's automatically true of all individual Democrats, but enough of them are problematic that it causes the party to stall out. That's how they ended up with Biden rather than Warren, and why AOC and Omar keep facing a lot of internal pushback. "We've stopped making things aggressively worse" is not the same thing as "we're making things better moving forward", and that's a recognition more Americans need to come to.

Biden's managed to not arse up the pandemic response completely, but the USA's among the worst nations in the developed world and that's remaining true under Biden's regime. Unlike some other early nations that screwed up their responses but quickly adjusted and recovered. He could be doing more, he just . . . isn't. Not even trying and failing, he's not even trying.

[downnola]

To be clear on my own response to that post; I don't see the Democrats passing it. Because the Democrats don't want to pass it. Same reason Obama was super in favor of deporting immigrants and killing innocents with drone strikes as collateral damage. Because even the bet of the Democrats really don't lean far left at all. Hell, I'm finding Biden more and more offensive, because he's really pushing this "folksy wisdom" facade while continuing to basically change nothing, and pursuing no significant overhauls.

It's not that the Democrats don't have the votes to fix the problem. It's that the Democrats are an institutional and systemic part of the problem.

Biden has always been open about being a moderate and simply wanting to stabilize things after Trump's four years in office. He advocated some progressive changes but the Senate is his biggest hurdle in getting any of those changes on his desk in bill form. The Senate should be abolished, plain and simple.

[Omega10]

Increasingly, "Democrat or Republican?" feels kind of like "Hitler or Stalin?" Sure, in 1939, let's get Stalin on board with the Allies, Hitler's obviously the bigger issue right now and we need Stalin to help take him down. But that didn't mean Stalin was a good guy.

Another non-terrible option is simply never offered.

I don't think that's automatically true of all individual Democrats, but enough of them are problematic that it causes the party to stall out. That's how they ended up with Biden rather than Warren, and why AOC and Omar keep facing a lot of internal pushback. "We've stopped making things aggressively worse" is not the same thing as "we're making things better moving forward", and that's a recognition more Americans need to come to.

Biden's managed to not arse up the pandemic response completely, but the USA's among the worst nations in the developed world and that's remaining true under Biden's regime. Unlike some other early nations that screwed up their responses but quickly adjusted and recovered. He could be doing more, he just . . . isn't. Not even trying and failing, he's not even trying.

I'm not as far down your path as you are, but I am definitely moving in your direction.

I'd like to thank you for your recent series of posts on this, and the reactions to it (plus some of the posts of Hollycakes). At least I feel a lot less alone.

Edge is doing a valiant effort of defending the democratic party, but then Milchshake comes in and completely undoes the points that Edge makes. Democrats have enough Milchshake type people in high places to overwhelm the ideas that Edge pushes. And it all seems so futile to devote energy in trying to fight it.

[Edge-]

Republicans have been eating their lunch for decades.

Very much so. Democrats still largely suck at politics, and still largely lack the spine to take the more ambitious and shady behaviors of weaponizing the courts like Republicans have.

Normally that'd be a virtue because it'd be the more "moral/ethical" position to take. But in the context of here it's a vice, since they need to fight back. The issue being that they're not a hive-mind and given that it's a fairly broad caucus you've got a mixture of progressive and more moderate/conservative members that are less inclined to buck the system or take big action.

[Milchshake]

Is that Cicadas coming back?>!?!

No, it's the wave of Doomerism that arrives everytime the Dems win a big election.

Can't wait for the Virginia Governor's election. Betting there will be another freshly hot pile of doomerisms.

[The Stormbringer]

Also, having violence in their username is so fitting.
I'd love to see their gcse/sat/and or grades from college.
One thing I can assure you of:
You are not as smart as you think you are.

There is a name for that.

It's probably a good idea to not dismiss someone's argument because they're "not as smart as [they] think [they] are". That's the sort of thing that just infuriates people and pushes them into even more radical and extremist positions, which causes more problems down the line.

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Increasingly, "Democrat or Republican?" feels kind of like "Hitler or Stalin?" Sure, in 1939, let's get Stalin on board with the Allies, Hitler's obviously the bigger issue right now and we need Stalin to help take him down. But that didn't mean Stalin was a good guy.

Another non-terrible option is simply never offered.

I don't think that's automatically true of all individual Democrats, but enough of them are problematic that it causes the party to stall out. That's how they ended up with Biden rather than Warren, and why AOC and Omar keep facing a lot of internal pushback. "We've stopped making things aggressively worse" is not the same thing as "we're making things better moving forward", and that's a recognition more Americans need to come to.

Biden's managed to not arse up the pandemic response completely, but the USA's among the worst nations in the developed world and that's remaining true under Biden's regime. Unlike some other early nations that screwed up their responses but quickly adjusted and recovered. He could be doing more, he just . . . isn't. Not even trying and failing, he's not even trying.

Eugh, Warren wasn't exactly someone I was interested in voting for either. I was a Bernie supporter then, and I was a Bernie supporter years ago too. Hell, I would've even taken Andrew Yang over Warren. She completely lost any of my support when she dragged her feet in ceding her candidacy and ultimately allowed Biden to rally more support than Bernie.

[Draco-Onis]

Very much so. Democrats still largely suck at politics, and still largely lack the spine to take the more ambitious and shady behaviors of weaponizing the courts like Republicans have.

Normally that'd be a virtue because it'd be the more "moral/ethical" position to take. But in the context of here it's a vice, since they need to fight back. The issue being that they're not a hive-mind and given that it's a fairly broad caucus you've got a mixture of progressive and more moderate/conservative members that are less inclined to buck the system or take big action.

And that's how political extremist manage to take power and install dictatorships now that they've taken away voting rights they will go for abortion rights, gay marriage and even Brown V. board of education is on the table. The democratic party's lack of spine is going to cost us democracy hopefully I am wrong.

[Hollycakes]

It's probably a good idea to not dismiss someone's argument because they're "not as smart as [they] think [they] are". That's the sort of thing that just infuriates people and pushes them into even more radical and extremist positions, which causes more problems down the line.

You're right to a point.
I wasn't just trying to be clever or an ass.

I was thinking about this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunnin...3Kruger_effect

The fact that twice now I've felt compelled to link this person what are basics they seem to not understand is why I said that too.
It's more the way they are trying to push their agenda with this absolute certainty as if it's fact.
They've been clear about not being swayed by anyone as well.
Facts, notes, actual sources be damned they pretty much said.
I doubt anyone here is going to get through to them or another person here that does this very thing.
Their road to radicalization can't be put at our door either though.
That's the same as saying we owe it to incels to not shut down their ideology or call it stupid.

The fact we are using words like radical, extremist and having violence in a username speaks volumes of the persons stance already.
They seem mad enough already.

[Draco-Onis]

Eugh, Warren wasn't exactly someone I was interested in voting for either. I was a Bernie supporter then, and I was a Bernie supporter years ago too. Hell, I would've even taken Andrew Yang over Warren. She completely lost any of my support when she dragged her feet in ceding her candidacy and ultimately allowed Biden to rally more support than Bernie.

Would you rather have Elizabeth Warren or Joe Manchin?