Activision-Blizzard Sued By California

[Caprias]

This is the 4th time (or 5th? idk. anymore) where i say how can it get any worse?

[Edge-]

https://www.polygon.com/22785466/cal...-bunting-quits

Well, if nothing else the harasser that Kotick protected at Sledgehammer Games has apparently resigned now that his bullshit has been outed. Activision would have been better served following the results of their own internal investigation and firing his ass.

Seriously, harassing staff is never, and should never, be acceptable.

[Tietoso]

I do believe that the whole voicemail was 10 years ago or more? If the person that was the target of that voicemail settled back then why bring up stuff that happened ages ago?
This whole demonization of Bobby Kotick is childish. At the end of the day his strategies are making Activision Blizzard millions. Just because a bunch of woke socialist and feminazi hate him he should get fired?

Perhaps he knew about the whole frat culture on the side of blizzard. As long as you are making money why break what doesn't need fixing? You guys are missing the big picture, if the employee unionize and succeed on kicking kotick out what do you think will happen? They will go ahead and try and veto ideas and people they don't agree with politically because this is what this mostly is about. Why you guys think that Kotaku, polygon and shcrier are all over Activation and Ubisoft?

[Edge-]

I do believe that the whole voicemail was 10 years ago or more? If the person that was the target of that voicemail settled back then why bring up stuff that happened ages ago?

Because it's relevant to Kotick's continued behavior, which included rejecting an internal investigation that recommended firing a senior employee at Sledgehammer for harassment.

This whole demonization of Bobby Kotick is childish. At the end of the day his strategies are making Activision Blizzard millions. Just because a bunch of woke socialist and feminazi hate him he should get fired?

You cool with child slavery as long as it's profitable? Because it sure sounds like it.

Perhaps he knew about the whole frat culture on the side of blizzard.

And Activision, and did nothing about it, and lied and said he didn't know about it.

As long as you are making money why break what doesn't need fixing?

Because protecting a culture of harassment is bad. Because it's to the point now where, for example, having "Blizzard" on your resume used to be a good thing but isn't any longer.

And again, profit isn't the only thing that matters.

You guys are missing the big picture, if the employee unionize and succeed on kicking kotick out what do you think will happen?

They'll have better leadership that protects employees from abuse.

They will go ahead and try and veto ideas and people they don't agree with politically because this is what this mostly is about.

Man, you're committed to filling your post with the worst takes possible. How do you even come to this conclusion?

Why you guys think that Kotaku, polygon and shcrier are all over Activation and Ubisoft?

Because the employees of said company are telling them about the harassment they're facing and how their companies aren't doing anything to protect them.

Because Polygon, Kotaku, Schreier and other aren't the only ones reporting this.

This latest piece was from the Wall Street Journal.

So again, you cool with child slavery if it makes a company fantastically profitable?

[infinitemeridian]

I do believe that the whole voicemail was 10 years ago or more? If the person that was the target of that voicemail settled back then why bring up stuff that happened ages ago?
This whole demonization of Bobby Kotick is childish. At the end of the day his strategies are making Activision Blizzard millions. Just because a bunch of woke socialist and feminazi hate him he should get fired?

Perhaps he knew about the whole frat culture on the side of blizzard. As long as you are making money why break what doesn't need fixing? You guys are missing the big picture, if the employee unionize and succeed on kicking kotick out what do you think will happen? They will go ahead and try and veto ideas and people they don't agree with politically because this is what this mostly is about. Why you guys think that Kotaku, polygon and shcrier are all over Activation and Ubisoft?

Have you ever heard the saying "The ends don't justify the means"?

[Tietoso]

So again, you cool with child slavery if it makes a company fantastically profitable?

I really want to respond to your points but I need to leave so I will have to make a response later, but I wanted to ask you something about this specific point you made.
What are you doing to ensure the slave labor around the globe stops from happening? All phone carriers outsource their services to third world countries and pay them 1 to 3 dlrs and exploit them harder than all hell. Do I have to mention Apple? Everything you own that is not 100% North american made was created with the slavery of a third world country person, and even then they avoid paying or giving fair wages even in the US. what are you doing about all these injustices, ALL, no 1 or 2?

Do you work for blizzard? Yes, no? I don't. The only thing I care is about a good game.
So to answer your question, no, I don't care if there is a thousand that are sacrificed to C'thulu (whose creator was a racist man of his time) as long as they produce a great game I will be enjoying playing WoW while blasting I believe I can fly (from a supposed pedophile) on my spotify list (an app that exploits indie bands) on ultra graphics with my RTX 3080 (product of slave labor) while wearing my comfy timberland sandals which are made on my crappy third world country and they don't even have the goddamn decency to sell them here at an affordable price.

Thank you.
PS: please don't use the think of the children argument, ever.

[Elegiac]

What are you doing to ensure the slave labor around the globe stops from happening?

That feel when your argument is literally a meme.

Do you work for blizzard? Yes, no? I don't. The only thing I care is about a good game.

Clearly you don't if you can't see the relationship between a toxic work environment and a bad product. Rofl.

[Edge-]

What are you doing to ensure the slave labor around the globe stops from happening? All phone carriers outsource their services to third world countries and pay them 1 to 3 dlrs and exploit them harder than all hell. Do I have to mention Apple? Everything you own that is not 100% North american made was created with the slavery of a third world country person, and even then they avoid paying or giving fair wages even in the US. what are you doing about all these injustices, ALL, no 1 or 2?

Ok Mister Gotcha. I can't wait for folks to stop unironically being Mister Gotcha.

Thank you.

So that's a yes then, you're cool with child slavery. Just clearing things up. I'll peace out of this discussion before I cut myself on all those edges.

[Video Games]

The whole thing is fucking hilarious and got me through work quickly today

[infinitemeridian]

I really want to respond to your points but I need to leave so I will have to make a response later, but I wanted to ask you something about this specific point you made.
What are you doing to ensure the slave labor around the globe stops from happening? All phone carriers outsource their services to third world countries and pay them 1 to 3 dlrs and exploit them harder than all hell. Do I have to mention Apple? Everything you own that is not 100% North american made was created with the slavery of a third world country person, and even then they avoid paying or giving fair wages even in the US. what are you doing about all these injustices, ALL, no 1 or 2?

Do you work for blizzard? Yes, no? I don't. The only thing I care is about a good game.
So to answer your question, no, I don't care if there is a thousand that are sacrificed to C'thulu (whose creator was a racist man of his time) as long as they produce a great game I will be enjoying playing WoW while blasting I believe I can fly (from a supposed pedophile) on my spotify list (an app that exploits indie bands) on ultra graphics with my RTX 3080 (product of slave labor) while wearing my comfy timberland sandals which are made on my crappy third world country and they don't even have the goddamn decency to sell them here at an affordable price.

Thank you.
PS: please don't use the think of the children argument, ever.

There is a world of difference between what a consumer can do and a CEO my guy.

[minteK917]

I bought d2r, it was shit and i refunded. Have not spend a single penny in activision since buying sekiro, sadly activision was the publisher in NA.

[Tietoso]

That feel when your argument is literally a meme.
Clearly you don't if you can't see the relationship between a toxic work environment and a bad product. Rofl.

That meme is funny, but it doesn't take away that what this entire thread amounts to is slacktivism and clicking like and retweet as if anything makes a difference. Games don't care about how the game got down, what matters is that it gets done. The people on the forum and social media screaming to kingdom come are but a loud faction of a very small group of people that probably don't even plan WoW.
If Kotaku is to believe without an Union all gaming companies are a product of a toxic environment.
But seriously, The last of Us 1 and 2 GTA, Read dead, all of these games that we can mention are classics and product of a toxic environment, sooooooo......

So that's a yes then, you're cool with child slavery. Just clearing things up. I'll peace out of this discussion before I cut myself on all those edges.

I don't think my point came across to you, Are blizz employee's children? No. Am I cool with slave labor, of course not. But I am indifferent to it since most of my products are a product themselves from slave/child labor.

There is a world of difference between what a consumer can do and a CEO my guy.

You are right, but, money talks and he gets things done and the money comes in.

[draynay]

I don't think my point came across to you, Are blizz employee's children? No. Am I cool with slave labor, of course not. But I am indifferent to it since most of my products are a product themselves from slave/child labor.

I think your point is pretty clear, you support any and all shady business practices and don't want them to be public so you can feign ignorance more easily. We understand just fine.

[Tietoso]

I think your point is pretty clear, you support any and all shady business practices and don't want them to be public so you can feign ignorance more easily. We understand just fine.

What? I don't support shady business practices. But I am not in favor of witch hunts either.

[uuuhname]

I do believe that the whole voicemail was 10 years ago or more? If the person that was the target of that voicemail settled back then why bring up stuff that happened ages ago?
This whole demonization of Bobby Kotick is childish. At the end of the day his strategies are making Activision Blizzard millions. Just because a bunch of woke socialist and feminazi hate him he should get fired?

Perhaps he knew about the whole frat culture on the side of blizzard. As long as you are making money why break what doesn't need fixing? You guys are missing the big picture, if the employee unionize and succeed on kicking kotick out what do you think will happen? They will go ahead and try and veto ideas and people they don't agree with politically because this is what this mostly is about. Why you guys think that Kotaku, polygon and shcrier are all over Activation and Ubisoft?

I hope the billionaire, Little Saint James visitor reads this bro.

[Cthulhu 2020]

That meme is funny, but it doesn't take away that what this entire thread amounts to is slacktivism and clicking like and retweet as if anything makes a difference. Games don't care about how the game got down, what matters is that it gets done. The people on the forum and social media screaming to kingdom come are but a loud faction of a very small group of people that probably don't even plan WoW.
If Kotaku is to believe without an Union all gaming companies are a product of a toxic environment.
But seriously, The last of Us 1 and 2 GTA, Read dead, all of these games that we can mention are classics and product of a toxic environment, sooooooo......


I don't think my point came across to you, Are blizz employee's children? No. Am I cool with slave labor, of course not. But I am indifferent to it since most of my products are a product themselves from slave/child labor.


You are right, but, money talks and he gets things done and the money comes in.

Ah yes, this whole Blizzard thing is just a tiny number of people being loud. And Bobby Kotick is super ultra successful and bringing the money in.

That's why Blizzard stock has tanked from a peak of $100 USD in July to *Checks* $66 and still dropping each day.

Man, the person saying that money is all that matters sure is looking silly about now.

[Elegiac]

That meme is funny, but it doesn't take away that what this entire thread amounts to is slacktivism and clicking like and retweet as if anything makes a difference.

That's nice dear; still doesn't change the fact you're being a literal Mister Gotcha and the same response applies.

There being no ethical consumption under capitalism does not mean it is hypocritical to criticise capitalism's negative aspects.

Games don't care about how the game got down, what matters is that it gets done.

Which is exactly why "gamers" are not worth listening to.

Y'all really need to get the fuck off social media, these takes are old and tired as hell.

[infinitemeridian]

That meme is funny, but it doesn't take away that what this entire thread amounts to is slacktivism and clicking like and retweet as if anything makes a difference. Games don't care about how the game got down, what matters is that it gets done. The people on the forum and social media screaming to kingdom come are but a loud faction of a very small group of people that probably don't even plan WoW.
If Kotaku is to believe without an Union all gaming companies are a product of a toxic environment.
But seriously, The last of Us 1 and 2 GTA, Read dead, all of these games that we can mention are classics and product of a toxic environment, sooooooo......


I don't think my point came across to you, Are blizz employee's children? No. Am I cool with slave labor, of course not. But I am indifferent to it since most of my products are a product themselves from slave/child labor.


You are right, but, money talks and he gets things done and the money comes in.

It's a video game company dude. Who gives a shit if Kotick makes them money? I'm sure they could find plenty of corporate husks like him who could easily fill his role. The dude's a scumbag and needs to go.

Money is not the end all be all. And if it is...you think this is getting better? Every indication we've seen has shown that the rabbit hole just keeps getting deeper. If money was so important to these people, they would see the writing on the wall and fire his ass.

[Elegiac]

What? I don't support shady business practices. But I am not in favor of witch hunts either.

It is not a witch hunt if the accusations are, you know, true.

[Edge-]

It is not a witch hunt if the accusations are, you know, true.

Kotick just used to harass and threaten women. He still protects others that do, like the Sledgehammer guy that resigned today after getting outed. But he used to, too.