why are the Pandaren Racials complete dog crap?

[Mardux]

Of all the racials in the game Pandaren aren't the worst

I'd say Worgen is the worst, I never have use for that speed boost since most classes don't need. Mag'har Orc is pretty bad too.

Vulpera is consistently bottom tier. With most of the Ztroll options following closely.

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I mean you're looking at it in a vacuum. In reality depending on the situation it's on par with or better than War Stomp. It's also a pseudo interrupt that doesn't share DR with stuns iirc.

In reality, depending on the situation anything can be on par with war stomp. And in reality, most of those situation will never exist.

[craigw]

Vulpera is consistently bottom tier. With most of the Ztroll options following closely.

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In reality, depending on the situation anything can be on par with war stomp. And in reality, most of those situation will never exist.

in reality chain ccing in pvp happens every match. reducing DRs to maintain a chain stun for as long as possible is highly desirable in a pvp situation. back to back stuns is 6 seconds of stun due to DR. stun followed up with panda racial is 8 seconds. which is better in pvp? in reality this situation exists in every competitive pvp match that has ever happened in wow.

[Daedius]

Vulpera is consistently bottom tier.

Best race for Collectors with being able to camp out and teleport to any outdoor location, as well as turn off WM without needing to return to a town/city... and more bag space!

[saixilein]

Isn't the food buff racial really good though? If any race has really bad racials its easily nightborne

Im not sure how it is today, but back in mop many people switch to pandaren because the food racial was super string.

Beaide that the cc is nice to stop casts u cant kick and the lower fall damage is great to.

[fatgunn]

Yep, in some situations its good since its not sharing DR with stuns and can be used as additional "kick", but for jesus sake can you place it high enough to offset fat-bear factor while choosing race?

Lets say people can pick :

A) Sexy looking ex-High elfs with not bad racial skills.

or

B) Fat bear race that looks nothing like their image in ART, race that was abused so many years and become Kung-fu fierce martial art masters = in game looks like Gummy Bear and as bonus has most not inspired racial skills that just weak versions of Rogue skills.

If they make "Ugly" race, they must atleast give them interesting racials, otherwise whole fc server gonna be Blood Elfs, but look here they made perfect job with Vulpera , these creatures not sexy but they got nice and interesting racials .... all i ever wanted for Pandarens to receive similar treatment.

You do realize that them being "Fat bear race" isn't an inherent negative right? Same with "Ugly" races. To some people that aspect is exactly what makes them want to play that race.

[Vrinara]

Do people actually care about racials? Racials really haven't been relevant since Wrath haven't they? So saying one is dog crap when a lot of others are as well is a little dumb. Racials are just extra buttons you don't need to push.

[Ticj]

Do people actually care about racials? Racials really haven't been relevant since Wrath haven't they? So saying one is dog crap when a lot of others are as well is a little dumb. Racials are just extra buttons you don't need to push.

It's relevant at high level play, there have been numerous fights that racials give a substantial edge for. There's a reason why horde has become the dominant faction over the years.

[cocomen2]

You do realize that them being "Fat bear race" isn't an inherent negative right? Same with "Ugly" races. To some people that aspect is exactly what makes them want to play that race.

My point that more people would be willing to play "Fat bear race" with INTERESTING racials, than "Fat bear race" with boring racial skills.

And they made it look like "Nah just put random racials stuff, anyway who gonna play this race 1-2% of playerbase? nah why we must waste time to think about INTERESTING racial skills, lets do cocke"

FFS there was only 1 new race in MOP....; in TBC they added 2 races and both of them have more interesting racials from my point of view.

Pandas isn't a cats to have "safe fall" damage reduction..... and ofc if its Fat panda Kung-fu race they must have cooking racials?

As if being a fat, magically make you a chief; ROFL its same shit with Kultirans .... where thin Panda models? or they become fat without their personal decision?

[Venziir]

Using a food buff doesn't magically make pandaren racials less crap than most other racials.

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Sure, if you pretend that mages or shadow priests don't exist.

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The numbers would disagree. But feelings > facts in this day and age.

Compare them to a lot of the other races, and you'll get your facts. Are they fantastic? Nope, but are they absolute trash nope. They are in fact, great. Not super, nor marvelous - but great.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

It's clear this thread was not created by OP to really discuss if Pandaren racials are "dog crap" or not. It's also clear he doesn't even believe what he is typing.


Generic and broad accusation of something being bad with no context as to why one considers it bad... 2 pages immediately after of other people actually discussing why he is potentially wrong.


Excellent thread to bait with. 9/10

[Kallisto]

They are same YES, but since almost all alliance racials is dogshit, this is brings us to the point where among shity racials Pandarens ones looks not so bad.

But in Horde, we have shitload cool and useful racial, so there pandarens is Rock-bottom.

This is completely untrue. Every major guild who have people paid to theory craft every little thing about this game openly state that the alliance have better racials. That the only reason they don't jump over is there are too few people playing alliance anymore that seriously raid in North America or Europe, meaning that it's just not viable. Most of Limit want to go alliance but can't justify it, which is why they're desperate for the removal of faction split.

[Daedius]

Do people actually care about racials? Racials really haven't been relevant since Wrath haven't they? So saying one is dog crap when a lot of others are as well is a little dumb. Racials are just extra buttons you don't need to push.

Utility racials always have their uses, especially in PvP... an extra CC or CC break is invaluable.

[Arcreid]

They seem SIGNIFICANTLY bad compared to all the other races, especially allied races.

Nightborne and Mag'har Orc would love Pandaren racial instead of theirs.

[Mysterymask]

Nightborne and Mag'har Orc would love Pandaren racial instead of theirs.

But that 10% pet health and inability to play one of the pet classes that can KINDA use it is so Powerful!

Also wanted to add Mechagnomes have some of the better racials in the game and are NEVER played

[cocomen2]

Also wanted to add Mechagnomes have some of the better racials in the game and are NEVER played

Since shit that we got in game isn't real Mechagnomes, just Junkergnomes that love cutoff their limbs to replace it with robotic ones.... even godly racials can't save this shit.

[Kithelle]

Do people actually care about racials? Racials really haven't been relevant since Wrath haven't they? So saying one is dog crap when a lot of others are as well is a little dumb. Racials are just extra buttons you don't need to push.

This is WoW...where 80% of the population act like they're the top 1%, and they need to min/max to squeeze out every point of dps

[Lollis]

This is completely untrue. Every major guild who have people paid to theory craft every little thing about this game openly state that the alliance have better racials.

And this barely tells you the true picture.

The average difference between the best horde race for a dps class and the best alliance race for a dps class is 0.5%. The highest A v H differences are Balance and Subtlety; the best Alliance race for Balance is 0.8% above the best Horde race, and the best Horde race for Subtlety is 0.9% above the best Alliance race.

So, in all, the dps differences is less than 1%.

As for actual mechanical racials, well we are basically talking about Every Man for Himself, Stoneform/Fireblood, Escape Artist, Spatial Rift, and Emergency Failsafe versus Rocket Jump, Arcane Torrent, Will of the Forsaken, and a bunch of passives.

Every Man for Himself, Stoneform/Fireblood, and Escape Artist are often unusuable for mechanics if not outright nerfed (such as in CN for bleeds) Spatial Rift is super situational, and Emergency Failsafe's benefits are completely nullified by playing better.

Rocket Jump is situational and superior to Spatial Rift in almost every circumstance, and neither Arcane Torrent or Will of the Forsaken has much use. It's very easily arguable that the passives are more beneficial.

[Fenrys]

They are same YES, but since almost all alliance racials is dogshit, this is brings us to the point where among shity racials Pandarens ones looks not so bad.

But in Horde, we have shitload cool and useful racial, so there pandarens is Rock-bottom.

Ofc its my personal humble opinion, i love Pandarens as design vise but they lost somewhat fierce look from WC3 arts where it was cool savage BEARMEN.... but in game its Kung-fu panda ever-go-happy-Pando and this made them already unappealing, yet their racials its Rogue Gouge and Safe Fall where that so called CREATIVITY? i love mop, but if you made one and only fat bear race for expansion please give them good racials.

And even then, if you try to use Pandaren Safe Fall to gain advantage in pvp and jump from Mill you still take damage.... like lmao its even worse than that of Rogue.

This take is about 10 years out of date. Alliance racials have been better for some time. Indeed Meld is probably more powerful than the next 3 best racials put together.

[Kalisandra]

Do people actually care about racials? Racials really haven't been relevant since Wrath haven't they? So saying one is dog crap when a lot of others are as well is a little dumb. Racials are just extra buttons you don't need to push.

Oh, nononono. The Human racial was nerfed much more recently than that, and it was the go-to for PvP because it meant you didn't need a PvP clicky trinket and could use whatever monster unbalanced thing was in the current raid instead. There were endless complaints about it. Then the racial was nerfed and it rapidly became clear that it was the only thing keeping the Alliance/Horde player numbers even a little bit in balance.

[Magnagarde]

Because pandaren are dog crap.

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Do people actually care about racials? Racials really haven't been relevant since Wrath haven't they? So saying one is dog crap when a lot of others are as well is a little dumb. Racials are just extra buttons you don't need to push.

Racials are extremely important; mobility, breaking CC or something third. KJ M with no goblin boost was the biggest raiding horror story I've ever attempted to go through with. To be fair, mythic ToS was a nightmare alltogether.