The Brexit aftermath thread

[Kallisto]

I don't think they are owned by the same company anymore.

They are, they're both owned by Stellantis a Dutch-based multinational automotive company since 2021. Other car companies owned by said group are Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Citroën, Dodge, DS, Fiat, Fiat Professional, Jeep, Lancia, Maserati, Mopar, Peugeot and Ram. While Ferrari isn't on the list the Chairman of Stellantis is also the executive chairman of Ferrari.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellantis

[diller]

They are, they're both owned by Stellantis a Dutch-based multinational automotive company since 2021. Other car companies owned by said group are Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Citroën, Dodge, DS, Fiat, Fiat Professional, Jeep, Lancia, Maserati, Mopar, Peugeot and Ram. While Ferrari isn't on the list the Chairman of Stellantis is also the executive chairman of Ferrari

Damn that's a lot of brands they own at this point.

[LeGin v3]

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This is a good post that's got lost...

Yes, I still think you'd be better in. But now you are out, find a way to make it work on the medium term. Seriously the UK should not get back in the EU because some people who do not agree at all with the European plan feel forced to rejoin for market reasons. That's catastrophic and we'd be back where we are in a few decades. If in the long term public sentiment to the EU has changed and that sentiment goes beyond the Single Market and easier vacations, then rejoin. But right now people want to rejoin entirely for the things the EU offers, not for what the EU is. And that is a recipe for an unhappy marriage.

In all honesty, I don't think any UK poster in this thread believes the UK will Rejoin any time soon™. But, it's not going to "work" in the medium term. The UK is already poorer in multiple respects and will become more so. Financially, culturally, intellectually etc. And there's a responsibility to highlight Leave's lies then and now. Dribbles may be trolling, they may not - who knows. Either way, comprehensively, Brexit has been proven to be nothing but an uneducated, ignorant reflex against problems of the free marketeer's making.

Yes, in the long term (but what is this? - 1 / 2 / 3 / 4 parliament's time?) the debate will be had. Two terms of a Labour government. The third term: possibly campaigned on Rejoin? 11 years from now? As to what the EU will be then - what do you think? Ever closer union or the status quo?

But right now people want to rejoin entirely for the things the EU offers, not for what the EU is.

This is a bit harsh, though. I can guarantee you, multiple posters in this thread identify more as "European" than as e.g., English.

Comme on fait son lit, on se couche.

[Nymrohd]

This is a bit harsh, though. I can guarantee you, multiple posters in this thread identify more as "European" than as e.g., English.

Comme on fait son lit, on se couche.

I don't doubt it at all. But the majorities you may find in polls are still only possible because of people who just want access to the Single Market or some convenience offered. And I mainly hope that a Labour government tries to work with the limits of Brexit instead of just using it as an excuse.

[Crispin]

We in the UK cheer for the world as a newly sovereign global player now thanks to Brexit. And while some lose billions from a declining industry billions roll in for others...Japan and £18bn of new investment

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...efence-Pact-G7

Another Brexit ka-ching! We really are chalking them up now.

Brexit for you were never about benefiting the UK, it was a sad attempt at hurting the EU. In the end the UK shot themselves in the foot but are rejoicing because the EU had to witness the shitshow it was. Clearly the EU is doing fine without the UK, so you turn to cheer for countries that arent in the UK camp, but hey anyone who does better than the EU is worth cheering for amirite?

You're more obsessed by the opposing team losing, than your own team winning. Seek help.

[Bakis]

Dribbles just shitspam and ignore counterarguments as usual. He is the UK version of a die hard Trump fan, exceptionally delusional.

[Gorsameth]

Dribbles just shitspam and ignore counterarguments as usual. He is the UK version of a die hard Trump fan, exceptionally delusional.

No, most die hard Trump fans actually live in the US.
Dribbles doesn't even live in the UK.

[dribbles]

This is a good post that's got lost...



In all honesty, I don't think any UK poster in this thread believes the UK will Rejoin any time soon™. But, it's not going to "work" in the medium term. The UK is already poorer in multiple respects and will become more so. Financially, culturally, intellectually etc. And there's a responsibility to highlight Leave's lies then and now. Dribbles may be trolling, they may not - who knows. Either way, comprehensively, Brexit has been proven to be nothing but an uneducated, ignorant reflex against problems of the free marketeer's making.

Yes, in the long term (but what is this? - 1 / 2 / 3 / 4 parliament's time?) the debate will be had. Two terms of a Labour government. The third term: possibly campaigned on Rejoin? 11 years from now? As to what the EU will be then - what do you think? Ever closer union or the status quo?



This is a bit harsh, though. I can guarantee you, multiple posters in this thread identify more as "European" than as e.g., English.

Comme on fait son lit, on se couche.

There's also a responsibility to stick to the facts. One of which is that Brexit has been anything but damaging intellectually as you claim. Here is an example.

Taking a first look at the subset of people in the UK who have never had any knowledge of being an EU citizen, we can see that as evidenced by the global PIRLS report, their intelligence has improved markedly since Brexit to become top of the table in all of Europe.

England comes top in Europe

https://conservativepost.co.uk/engla...ading-ability/

Facts like these shouldn't be overlooked. Thank you Brexit.

[Kiria]

There's also a responsibility to stick to the facts. One of which is that Brexit has been anything but damaging intellectually as you claim. Here is an example.

Taking a first look at the subset of people in the UK who have never had any knowledge of being an EU citizen, we can see that as evidenced by the global PIRLS report, their intelligence has improved markedly since Brexit to become top of the table in all of Europe.

England comes top in Europe

https://conservativepost.co.uk/engla...ading-ability/

Facts like these shouldn't be overlooked. Thank you Brexit.

Brexiteers in a nutshell in the wise words of Bobby from Super Natural.



Peoples reading comprehension and learning has only improved because they were all too stupid and fell for blatent lies, even your savior is calling brexshit a failure now.

https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status...64178692603905

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ksz6MtsxgMY

[Dezerte]

Perhaps there's a correlation between the higher reading ability and lower support for Brexit.

[Forogil]

There's also a responsibility to stick to the facts. One of which is that Brexit has been anything but damaging intellectually as you claim. Here is an example.

Taking a first look at the subset of people in the UK who have never had any knowledge of being an EU citizen, we can see that as evidenced by the global PIRLS report, their intelligence has improved markedly since Brexit to become top of the table in all of Europe.

England comes top in Europe

Odd to skip Wales and Scotland and only test one part of the Untied Kingdom.

And that statement (England comes top in Europe) isn't accurate, as anyone with knowledge of reading and geography will see that England was at fourth place, trailing behind another European country, Russia, (and I would assume that the higher scores were in the western parts of Russia - but didn't separate them as the Untied Kingdom).

Additionally England didn't test as planned, but one year later, whereas Ireland instead tested their 4-fourth graders at the start of 5th grade - and Ireland scored a lot better than both Russia and England but was included in a separate list, whereas England just got a note. (Whether reading ability increases or decreases during summer breaks isn't clear.)

Those delays were due to covid, and many countries experienced declining scores this time - so we will see how it goes the next time.

https://conservativepost.co.uk/engla...ading-ability/

[Nymrohd]

Brexit for you were never about benefiting the UK, it was a sad attempt at hurting the EU. In the end the UK shot themselves in the foot but are rejoicing because the EU had to witness the shitshow it was. Clearly the EU is doing fine without the UK, so you turn to cheer for countries that arent in the UK camp, but hey anyone who does better than the EU is worth cheering for amirite?

You're more obsessed by the opposing team losing, than your own team winning. Seek help.

I mean it is country bashing, plain and simple. Every post is an attempt to bash the EU. Should have been permabanned years ago
And to be fair, many posts against it are country bashing against the UK. But this is what happens when you let things go wild.

[Fuiking]

I mean it is country bashing, plain and simple. Every post is an attempt to bash the EU. Should have been permabanned years ago
And to be fair, many posts against it are country bashing against the UK. But this is what happens when you let things go wild.

technically the EU isnt a country and the UK is a bunch of united countries - random reasoning from mods.

[postman1782]

There's also a responsibility to stick to the facts. One of which is that Brexit has been anything but damaging intellectually as you claim. Here is an example.

Taking a first look at the subset of people in the UK who have never had any knowledge of being an EU citizen, we can see that as evidenced by the global PIRLS report, their intelligence has improved markedly since Brexit to become top of the table in all of Europe.

England comes top in Europe

https://conservativepost.co.uk/engla...ading-ability/

Facts like these shouldn't be overlooked. Thank you Brexit.

Conservative Post? Another fake site that won't even post who wrote their articles? Just as fake as that facts4EU bullshit you use.

[Zaydin]

Conservative Post? Another fake site that won't even post who wrote their articles? Just as fake as that facts4EU bullshit you use.

You know he's never going to admit he's lying, right?

[Kallisto]

Perhaps there's a correlation between the higher reading ability and lower support for Brexit.

Well if higher reading ability is linked to education then it would be. Since the more educated you were the less likely you were to vote for Brexit.

[jonnysensible]

current state of dribbles beautiful brexit is that we are still following EU rules but have no access to the single market.

[Huehuecoyotl]

Latest polling: 62% believe Brexit has been more of a failure. 9% believe it has been more of a success. 56% believe Brexit was the wrong thing to do, only 31% believe it was right.

More proof that support for Brexit is steadily drifting away. Despite dribbles naive beliefs, politicians will be recognising this and reacting accordingly. First to distance themselves from Brexit, then to start the process of reversing it.

Brexit is on life support. Only a question of time before the plug gets pulled.

[dribbles]

current state of dribbles beautiful brexit is that we are still following EU rules but have no access to the single market.

You must be talking about this beautiful Brexit...

New figures showing a boom in exports of British services abroad will cause despair among Brexit gloomsters.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...brexit-boom-eu

Brexit just keeps on getting better and better.

Latest polling: 62% believe Brexit has been more of a failure. 9% believe it has been more of a success. 56% believe Brexit was the wrong thing to do, only 31% believe it was right.

More proof that support for Brexit is steadily drifting away. Despite dribbles naive beliefs, politicians will be recognising this and reacting accordingly. First to distance themselves from Brexit, then to start the process of reversing it.

Brexit is on life support. Only a question of time before the plug gets pulled.

And yet the most important question, should we rejoin the EU?, the pollsters dare not ask. Can't think why.

And where is your evidence that politicians are recognising your statement that support for Brexit is drifting away? Name any mainstream UK political party with rejoin as a next GE manifesto pledge. Can't can you.

[zealo]

And yet the most important question, should we rejoin the EU?, the pollsters dare not ask. Can't think why.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...020–present)

That you’re just lying yet again might be the reason you can’t think why.