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    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post
    Not really. Wokeism is the epitome of thin skin. "Im so insecure about myself I need to scream from the rooftops that I am equal eventhough I have a defect". All the diversity shit you see currently is the same treatment children get when they feel insecure: "its all going to be okay. You're a champion, you're special, you're unique".
    Wokeism is a hype that will die sooner or later and will be looked back to as a time of delusion in human history.

    Somehow a lot of people have gone back on using science as the basis for society and instead using feelings/emotions like with religion. Truth always prevails, sooner or later. Hopefully education will increase its time spent on teaching people about evolution and genetics so more people can see why "everyone is equal regardless of X trait" is bullshit.
    You are wrong. Fighting to be seen as equal and worthy is the opposite of thin skinned. Thin skinned people would just cower and stand down in the face of intolerance. You know what is thin skinned? I feeling attacked when people ask them to refer by another pronoun. How insecure are you that you need the security of hard unchanging language. People of other genders besides the binary have existed in many cultures through history. They existed in native American tribes. They existed in African tribes. They existed in Viking society. And there are many examples in European history aswel. You are so insecure and thin skinned that that somehow affects you. That you can't open your mind to the idea that you can a have specific sex and not fall into the gender it's "supposed to be". Which is exactly what Dragonflight is showing. When all the couples in wow were straight and gender conforming there were no problems. And suddenly if all couples are queer then it's a problem. @Segus1992 is correct. You are one of those "in my day" type of people and those people with that type of remarks have ALWAYS been left behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exsanguinate View Post
    I really have no idea what you are talking about. Am I supposed to feel attacked or endorsed? No offense here.

    What I like and what I don't like is my personal thing. It's always a question of how you get something like that to people without forcing it down their throats. I don't go on the streets and demonstrate against lesbians and gays, I love lesbians, I love lesbian porn. A friend of mine is also gay, I like to joke about it with him. But controversial topics and agendas should be implemented carefully in video games, if necessary.

    Just my 2 cents.
    Why is someone's gender identity or sexual orientation controversial to you, or an agenda? That thinking is so self centered it's nuts.

    What about the hetero agenda that is forced down everyone's throats from birth?

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    This thread isn't about identity or real-world politics, so let's keep it grounded in the discussion of this potential story between these two NPCs and not segue into derailing political screeds and various statements.
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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    ^ noted.

    These draconic love stories are always weird to me. Not because of their gender but because they're typically siblings and for some reason that reads as perfectly normal to people. Were Sindragosa and Malygos from the same clutch or somehow extended siblings? Alex and her consort that died?

    If these two dracthyr had a romantic relationship, nobody would bat an eye that they were literally sisters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisisvacant View Post
    ^ noted.

    These draconic love stories are always weird to me. Not because of their gender but because they're typically siblings and for some reason that reads as perfectly normal to people. Were Sindragosa and Malygos from the same clutch or somehow extended siblings? Alex and her consort that died?

    If these two dracthyr had a romantic relationship, nobody would bat an eye that they were literally sisters?
    Sweet home alab...Dragonflight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Segus1992 View Post
    "Wokeism" is a term racists, sexists, and other neanderthals have thought up to feel better about their lack of empathy and lack of willingness to change for the betterment of everyone.
    have you though about changing yourself to not be so gay, for the betterment of everyone, of course?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisisvacant View Post
    ^ noted.

    These draconic love stories are always weird to me. Not because of their gender but because they're typically siblings and for some reason that reads as perfectly normal to people. Were Sindragosa and Malygos from the same clutch or somehow extended siblings? Alex and her consort that died?

    If these two dracthyr had a romantic relationship, nobody would bat an eye that they were literally sisters?
    Dragons/immortal beings being blood related and having intimate relationships ain't unheard of. FFXIV has this as well, hell, one of the biggest plot points in Heavensward is about this, technically. Big bad dragon is angry at humanity and been waging war against them for a thousand years because they killed his consort, which was also his sister.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Powerogue View Post
    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Into_the_Hive Found it. Interesting, and definitely as arguable as the conversation from Weyrnrest in Valdrakken. It's nice to see underneath all the militaristic structure we see soft moments that show they do care about each other, whatever comes of that.

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    I'd argue this is actually the best expansion to have so many relationships present, whatever form they may take. We're in an unexpected period where no world ending threat has happened in like 5 years, causing exhausted veterans and civilians alike to thrive in this opportunity to rebuild and raise families again. The dracthyr feeling this culture shock more than any as a group who were literally created for war.

    It's lead to some very interesting stories, to be sure. It made me think back to A Moment In Verse. https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com...oment-in-verse
    Except none of the relationships are male/female which feels off-putting. All for including others but now those are the ONLY relationships and weve just swung the pendulum the other way to the max. There is no balance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fistfighter View Post
    have you though about changing yourself to not be so gay, for the betterment of everyone, of course?
    I'm straight, I'm just not a neanderthal. People who are different aren't the enemy, even if they're scary to you.

    But yeah, dropping this topic.

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    I'm seriously considering trying out DF to check out some of these new storylines.
    Here is something to believe in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampyrr View Post
    Except none of the relationships are male/female
    I just quoted one. Thalyssra and Lor'themar. As much as people joke about blood elves, yes, Lor'themar is a dude.



    And while not new we did get a really sweet moment between Tyrande and Malfurion. Just lots of emphasis on families and love in general. Finding new or reuniting old as the case may be.

    It's definitely different from what we're used to but as I posted earlier that's not a bad thing and I want to see what they keep doing with it. I particularly loved the new blue dragonflight questline about reuniting their family, and I feel like the letter at the end was a teaser that the one that moved to Pandaria might hook up with Kalec in the future. Sounds good, I liked her chapter of the campaign the most. It felt like revisiting a peace and tranquility I hadn't seen in ages. And no wonder, I just checked and Pandaria came out in 2012. It's been a long decade.
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    Having the authority to do a thing doesn't make it just, moral, or even correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksej89 View Post
    in original wotlk you have a lesbian "event" in the night elf camp in dragonBlight.

    its all done via emotes but every XY minutes two of the female nelf NPCs will emote such stuff between each other.
    Cute. Reminds me of, I wanna say, a Pandaren Male and a Draenei Female over in the Alliance MoP hub. I wanna say they were flirting, or seemed to be with emotes. There was also a Human Female and Dwarf Female doing similar things, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampyrr View Post
    Except none of the relationships are male/female which feels off-putting. All for including others but now those are the ONLY relationships and weve just swung the pendulum the other way to the max. There is no balance.
    There was literally a big straight/hetero wedding that happened, wtf are you talking about? Also there's the stuff between Malygos and Sindragosa. We're going around finding their love letters to each other. That's male/female, my dude.

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    you guys need to grow up (the lesbian roleplayers)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampyrr View Post
    Except none of the relationships are male/female which feels off-putting. All for including others but now those are the ONLY relationships and weve just swung the pendulum the other way to the max. There is no balance.
    Sindy/Malygos, Thalyssra/Lor'themar, Soridormi/Nozdormu, Thrall/Aggra, probably a couple more I’m forgetting, there is no lack of male/female couples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertMugabe View Post
    Yup it is and I've noticed that pretty much every time during questing in the Dragon Isles you have 2 characters do something, it is always a gay/lesbian romance.
    There's like five LGBTQ+ couples on the Dragon Isles. Stop over-reacting.
    Princesses can kill knights to rescue dragons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Dragons/immortal beings being blood related and having intimate relationships ain't unheard of. FFXIV has this as well, hell, one of the biggest plot points in Heavensward is about this, technically. Big bad dragon is angry at humanity and been waging war against them for a thousand years because they killed his consort, which was also his sister.
    It probably has a lot to do with mythologies often having similar oddities. Dragons, also being mythological beings, play by similar rules.

    Most the greek gods are created by the same things. Tokein's dwarves all spawned from like 7 fathers despite there being no women. Heck even the bible has humanity springing from a metric ton of incest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myradin View Post
    It probably has a lot to do with mythologies often having similar oddities. Dragons, also being mythological beings, play by similar rules.

    Most the greek gods are created. Tokein's dwarves all spawned from like 7 fathers despite there being no women. Heck even the bible has humanity springing from a metric ton of incest.
    Well yeah, to y'all's point, it has always weirded me out whenever this sort of thing occurs no matter the platform the stories are told from. Incest is normalized while we have a thread here inquiring about same sex relationships. The weirdness lies in the incest - that much we know of in modern times, one would think.

    And there's not even a need for the relationships to be incestuous. They could've manifested these lizard wizards from thin air if they wanted, but it keeps this linear pedigree going where dads are brothers and lovers and moms are everyone's girlfriend and sister. Huh?

    I would think these two ladies were not actually expressing romantic feelings, but feelings of intimacy which is different and can sometimes hit as romance to American audiences who tend to be pretty starved of intimacy themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karreck View Post
    There's like five LGBTQ+ couples on the Dragon Isles. Stop over-reacting.
    Yeah and 0 heterosexual ones in the Dragon Isles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertMugabe View Post
    Yeah and 0 heterosexual ones in the Dragon Isles.
    We literally just had a whole questline about a hetero couple unlock last week and every zone has at least one couple.
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    On the topic or couples, anyone remember Bwonsamdi saying that he's had 'more den his share' of romance?
    Yeah.
    I don't play WoW anymore smh.

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