hidden allied races

[Not Againnn]

similar to hidden artifact skins, but way harder to figure out. imagine being the only furbolg or whatever on your server because you did some insane achievement... they should definitely play with this.

[Deleted]

No major lore changes like a race joining a faction shouldn't be hidden.

Maybe Hidden Heritage Armour like stuff for the older races?

[plz delete account]

No major lore changes like a race joining a faction shouldn't be hidden.

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[Not Againnn]

No major lore changes like a race joining a faction shouldn't be hidden.

Maybe Hidden Heritage Armour like stuff for the older races?

why not? major lore changes can be settled during the quest achieve. like being the only murloc on the alliance/horde. doesnt have to be a lore changing event. one murloc/furbolg/whatever could of just found a way?

[plz delete account]

why not? major lore changes can be settled during the quest achieve. like being the only murloc on the alliance/horde. doesnt have to be a lore changing event. one murloc could of just found a way?

Murlocs wouldn't join either faction unless they became Waaaaaaaaaaay more intelligent. your argument is null.

[Manabomb]

why not? major lore changes can be settled during the quest achieve. like being the only murloc on the alliance/horde. doesnt have to be a lore changing event. one murloc/furbolg/whatever could of just found a way?

As Blizzard has said before 'one joining is not an entire race.'

[God Save The King]

It'd be interesting to do this with races that have already joined the Horde/Alliance, just not available as playable races due to gameplay restrictions. You don't want to lock lore behind crazy hard achievements.

[Shakou]

[Greyfang]

The secret would not last long, really. The secret finders discord or a similar group would figure it out eventually and after it's out, you'd have everyone running around with the new race. Same as it was with Lucid Nightmare/Kosumoth, etc. Secrets don't stay secrets for too long to make it be "just a few" players with the hidden race.

[Not Againnn]

Murlocs wouldn't join either faction unless they became Waaaaaaaaaaay more intelligent. your argument is null.

ok change it to vrykul... youre all overthinking it tho. the questline would consist of the player finding a way to do some already in the game storyline. that way blizz can flesh out expose why this specific vrykul should join their cause. it doesnt have to be specifically alliance or horde, like pandas.

we learn the panda story and then choose. why cant gating a cool race behind a lore achievement be a thing?
horde character unlocked <whatever race> so that character can now make 1 horde <whatever race> on that server?

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The secret would not last long, really. The secret finders discord or a similar group would figure it out eventually and after it's out, you'd have everyone running around with the new race. Same as it was with Lucid Nightmare/Kosumoth, etc. Secrets don't stay secrets for too long to make it be "just a few" players with the hidden race.

isnt that the same as artifact skins tho? add enough and make it time consuming and rewarding. some skins are so easy to get and others are a process.

[plz delete account]

ok change it to vrykul... youre all overthinking it tho. the questline would consist of the player finding a way to do some already in the game storyline. that way blizz can flesh out expose why this specific vrykul should join their cause. it doesnt have to be specifically alliance or horde, like pandas.

we learn the panda story and then choose. why cant gating a cool race behind a lore achievement be a thing?
horde character unlocked <whatever race> so that character can now make 1 horde <whatever race> on that server?

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isnt that the same as artifact skins tho? add enough and make it time consuming and rewarding. some skins are so easy to get and others are a process.

Because gating entire races behind a hidden achievement would be way too hardcore for even Vanilla raiders.

[Not Againnn]

It'd be interesting to do this with races that have already joined the Horde/Alliance, just not available as playable races due to gameplay restrictions. You don't want to lock lore behind crazy hard achievements.

some could just be a random merc you meet via a hidden quest journey. like the rare mount crazy adventure in legion. it would be cool if they made more of those.

[Deleted]

why not? major lore changes can be settled during the quest achieve. like being the only murloc on the alliance/horde. doesnt have to be a lore changing event. one murloc/furbolg/whatever could of just found a way?

Because so far NONE of the allied races are like one or two members joining a faction. No playable race has ever joined a faction without major lore behind it. Why change that now? What does it actually give you?

It massively hampers possible future races if they throw all recognizable races for gimmicky hidden stuff so like 3 people get to feel special. If Blizzard add playable Murlocs in Bfa for fishing in every zone 10,000 times at particular times they can't add them in as an expansion feature in any future expansion. Blizzard would have blown a load for what?

Additionally Blizzard likely don't want to spend resources on VO, model customization, mounts, racials etc etc for something a fraction of the player base will use while the vast majority of the player base complain about a major feature being hidden.

[Not Againnn]

Because gating entire races behind a hidden achievement would be way too hardcore for even Vanilla raiders.

and thats a problem? shouldnt it be hardcore if its a hidden race?

[Cosmic Janitor]

similar to hidden artifact skins, but way harder to figure out. imagine being the only furbolg or whatever on your server because you did some insane achievement... they should definitely play with this.

The word you're looking for is "time-gated".

[Lorgar Aurelian]

ok change it to vrykul... youre all overthinking it tho. the questline would consist of the player finding a way to do some already in the game storyline. that way blizz can flesh out expose why this specific vrykul should join their cause. it doesnt have to be specifically alliance or horde, like pandas.

we learn the panda story and then choose. why cant gating a cool race behind a lore achievement be a thing?
horde character unlocked <whatever race> so that character can now make 1 horde <whatever race> on that server?

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isnt that the same as artifact skins tho? add enough and make it time consuming and rewarding. some skins are so easy to get and others are a process.

The difference is you can say the skins are non cannon like a lot of weapon, you can’t really do that with races unless there willing to comptly disconnect the gameplay from the lore.

[Not Againnn]

Because so far NONE of the allied races are like one or two members joining a faction. No playable race has ever joined a faction without major lore behind it. Why change that now? What does it actually give you?

It massively hampers possible future races if they throw all recognizable races for gimmicky hidden stuff so like 3 people get to feel special. If Blizzard add playable Murlocs in Bfa for fishing in every zone 10,000 times at particular times they can't add them in as an expansion feature in any future expansion. Blizzard would have blown a load for what?

Additionally Blizzard likely don't want to spend resources on VO, model customization, mounts, racials etc etc for something a fraction of the player base will use while the vast majority of the player base complain about a major feature being hidden.

well they had to do very little in terms of new assets for all of the new races. im not sure how long doing a vo or editing older models would take, but if they share a skeleton... i dont see it being difficult. like if it was the jinyu... they are already using the night elf model and already are on the alliance in pandaria. why not add a lore achivement and be a fucking jinyu. all im saying is it would be cool.

[plz delete account]

well they had to do very little in terms of new assets for all of the new races. im not sure how long doing a vo or editing older models would take, but if they share a skeleton... i dont see it being difficult. like if it was the jinyu... they are already using the night elf model and already are on the alliance in pandaria. why not add a lore achivement and be a fucking jinyu. all im saying is it would be cool.

The problem is the method of obtaining the ability to PLAY THE FUCKING RACE, not that we're getting to play a new race.

But please, keep hitting yourself in the face with MMOC Forum grade rocks.

[Not Againnn]

The difference is you can say the skins are non cannon like a lot of weapon, you can’t really do that with races unless there willing to comptly disconnect the gameplay from the lore.

or you can make the lore part of the quest... you set up the story on your main and doing the quest chain unfolds the lore. you dont have to disconnect anything. for races that already exist and distinguish themselves as horde/alliance already its pretty easy, but imagine being a steamwheedle cartel goblin on the alliance because you did some crazy ass chain on your BILGEWATER goblin. im not saying its practical but it would be cool considering they added races into the game that were already in the game model wise...

[God Save The King]

snippy snip.

I definitely agree with your points, but I'd like to raise an argument against your last paragraph. We're getting 6 new races this expansion, and they've hinted at the possibility of getting more as patch content. They said at BCon that they've made some breakthroughs in player tech and are able to churn out allied races much more quickly. I'd venture to guess that there are two "buckets" of races. Those that can use a pre-existing rig, so allied races, and those that will require a new rig (like all previous playable races). Assuming that they can actually pump out allied races at a good speed if they were so inclined, I don't think it'd be a terrible idea to include some as special rewards. Other games have had races require special achievements to unlock rare races.

This is all, of course, assuming my assumptions are correct. If they aren't, then they shouldn't waste huge resources on secret/hidden rewards.