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New Master Shapeshifter talent will grant us 10% attack power for 15 sec and stacks 3 times everytime we casts non instant spell. So will it worth to switch forms to human and stack 30% ap? i Think it will hurt cat rotation so hard, i dont want to swap into human form while playing a kitty...
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2011-10-21, 10:01 PM #1Deleted
[5.0 Discussion] Talent Discussions
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2011-10-21, 10:04 PM #2Dreadlord
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So many of the previed talents seem to be encouraging stance dancing which is such utter....well I'll keep it polite. Suffice it to say I've very upset with what they are doing to druids.
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2011-10-21, 10:05 PM #3Mechagnome
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2011-10-21, 10:12 PM #4Epic!
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Master Shapeshifter is screaming PvP utility to me. Heart of the Wild is much more in line with traditional PvE talents.
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2011-10-21, 10:16 PM #5Deleted
Ok then other question, now ferals have to choose 30% passive speed or 70% sprint? what the hell if we have it both on live now...
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2011-10-21, 10:20 PM #6Epic!
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Not a clue. Dash may or may not still exist.
Originally Posted by Vasek
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2011-10-21, 10:20 PM #7DeletedI think he said that we will have an "additional dash", so don't worry :P Originally Posted by Vasek
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2011-10-21, 10:27 PM #8Mechagnome
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Gonna reroll if these stay anything like the same in live :/
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2011-10-21, 10:32 PM #9Deleted
From a feral kitty pve player, the talents for levels 75 and 90 might as well not exist
Level 75 = 2 bear talents and a talent the gathers all mobs to you, which sounds like a bear trash tanking talent, that can't be used in bear form.............
Level 90 = focused on pvp talents where shifting is more a necessity for survival, but none of which have any benifical effects for kitty raiders, where shifting out of from is a BIG loss.
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2011-10-21, 10:33 PM #10Epic!
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@Ryukal: I agree, but it's worth mentioning that we're criticizing the first public iteration of this new talent system. Since when has the first iteration of any significant idea gone from Blizzcon to WoW unchanged?
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2011-10-21, 10:59 PM #11Bloodsail Admiral
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Master Shapeshifter is utter crap for both sides of the spectrum. As a caster, 30% attack power is...a drop in a thimble. 30% increase on spell power on...what spell power do ferals have? Without nurturing instinct, as much as casters have attack power! So, another drop in a thimble. Yea...it's lousy everywhere.
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2011-10-21, 10:59 PM #12Stood in the Fire
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All this 'Have to' and 'Must' is exactly the kind of thinking Blizz wants to get out of the picture. You don't HAVE to take Master Shapeshifter, if it strikes you against the hairs. You can take one of the others, if you find them easier/funnier/better.. I, for one, love the idea of stance dancing and getting that feeling of being a hybrid back again. I'd love to toss in a little heal during my wrath/starfire casting..
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2011-10-21, 11:01 PM #13Herald of the Titans
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anything you see is prone to change Originally Posted by adeodatus
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2011-10-21, 11:06 PM #14Epic!
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Depends on which abilities trigger it. Potentially, I Bash the healer (+10% spellpower), hit Displacer Beast (+10% spellpower), and then fire a +20% spellpower Starsurge at some guy who was looking at me funny. Originally Posted by Khainos
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2011-10-21, 11:07 PM #15Mechagnome
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looks already like optimal cat DPS would be gained from swapping out for 3 nature casts: this is clunky and terrible. I'm confident they'll refine these talents a lot, I felt like the Druid talents were probably the most lacklustre and garbled out of the different classes.
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2011-10-21, 11:12 PM #16Mechagnome
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I have to agree with this. It seems like the other classes have pretty good choices all around (though warrior still seems like it has some that are specifically for dps not tanks and vice versa) and druids got a whole buunch of 'we want you to shift a lot for buffs and play a little bit of everything', which sounds nice for pvp but not so much for pve. Originally Posted by crabmousse
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2011-10-21, 11:13 PM #17The Patient
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Master shapeshifter is meant to be entirely situational like in pvp. Almost all the talents are meant to be utility now. You only get the bonus for three attacks since each attack takes off a 10% charge. This is meant for when you HAVE to shift out to root or heal or something then shift back and melee so you don't lose too much dmg. It will not be a dps increase to try and build up the stacks. Its purely utility. Learn to read and stop freaking out before we even see how the classes are being changed.
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2011-10-21, 11:13 PM #18Epic!
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It would be really weird to see us having Wrath or Moonfire on the optimal feral PvE DPS rotation, so I think it's safer to say that it's not going to happen. If we do get close to launch and that's the rotation, then that's the time we ought to complain about it (I would).
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2011-10-21, 11:20 PM #19Deleted
I rolled a druid in vanilla because I wanted to be a hybrid.
People like you guys who whine about hybrid gameplay as a druid are the reason I dislike my class now.
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2011-10-21, 11:32 PM #20Epic!
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Unless encounter design dramatically changes: Originally Posted by Khainos
Melee is melee and range should stay at range. Unless Master Shapeshifter gives you oneshooting numbers for PvP (not gonna happen) it will in most cases end up as a dps loss. A healer dpsing is only gonna work out, if you remove any random component to raid encounters (i.e. damage), especially as it requires you to shapeshift.
Heart of the Wild will work feral/guardian on tank swaps fights.
Heart of the Wild may prove OP in PvP.
In PvE Heart of the Wild as a DPS/Resto, Resto/Tank, DPS/Tank is downright terrible, unless you'd end up as a superior dd/healer/tank during the 45 seconds, at which point you'd just fill up your raid with druids and rorate on heart of the wild.
As a DPS you will never want to switch to healing unless you prove to be a superior healer.
As a healer you will end up at most 5 seconds intervalls where you actually can DPS, so turning the talent passive would be the best anyway.
Of course then we'd have to spent our lvl 90 talent point for something, which others can do as a baseline basically...
In short:
Shapeshifting talents are OP in PvP, good for Feral/Guardian in PvE, absolutetly terrible for everything else.
Then you'd realized that that concept, beside rapidly shifting for max dps purposes in cat, never worked out, because you'd always be a weaker version of someone else. Originally Posted by Ixon
Unless you prove superior (i.e. only take druids) it's not gonna work out.
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