[Megathread] Final Fantasy XIV

[Anzaman]

Got into Aquapolis today..

..and failed on the very first door, thanks RNG.

[Katchii]

Well...yeah, you kinda do. Undercutting by 1g because you're trying to establish some kind of quasi-cartel to maintain a certain price is just asking to never sell your item.

I'll undercut by 1g if I'm noticing some other asshole doing it, especially on items I'm just trying to offload and don't particularly care about selling.

The people that I truly don't understand are those who sell for less than or equal to the vendor price. See it all the time with lower grade materia, but used ot see it on materials or even FG crafted items. Why even put it on the MB if you're going to be making LESS than what a vendor would give you?

[Granyala]

Well...yeah, you kinda do. Undercutting by 1g because you're trying to establish some kind of quasi-cartel to maintain a certain price is just asking to never sell your item.

Undercutting by 1 gil only serves the purpose that, for a little while, your item is the cheapest.
That's all. The bulk of the price adjustment is still done by the market itself.

Doing it this way I sell 95% of all auctions within the first 24hrs w/o rechecking the price.

Once the prices fluctuate within a stable range there is no need to undercut at all.
e.g. Materia fluctuates between 12K and 18K, I can put it up for 15K and sell it easily despite, for the moment, some people offering it for 12K.

[Aruhen]

Well...yeah, you kinda do. Undercutting by 1g because you're trying to establish some kind of quasi-cartel to maintain a certain price is just asking to never sell your item.

It was a sarcastic response to the people who undercut by a ridiculous amount. They want to sell it right away because they're impatient so they undercut by 30%+. Those people give me a headache everytime I check the market.

I personally just look at what's the most common price and put it at that (10 items at 50k and 2 at 20k? I'll put it at 50k) and it still sells within a day or two. I'd rather get twice the Gil and wait a bit instead of losing out on Gil for no reason.

[Kazgrel]

It was a sarcastic response to the people who undercut by a ridiculous amount. They want to sell it right away because they're impatient so they undercut by 30%+. Those people give me a headache everytime I check the market.

I personally just look at what's the most common price and put it at that (10 items at 50k and 2 at 20k? I'll put it at 50k) and it still sells within a day or two. I'd rather get twice the Gil and wait a bit instead of losing out on Gil for no reason.

Exactly what happened for me with my previous case where I mentioned I was undercut the following day by 50% on some items I had posted. Took a few days, but eventually all those dirt cheap ones were bought up, then lo and behold, mine apparently became the cheapest remaining.

[Sesshomaru]

I did it, I managed to craft full left side (aside from MH) Ironworks (of Crafting) HQ. Crafting is rather fun, if you happen to own a bloody and sweaty shirt.

[Granyala]

I did it, I managed to craft full left side (aside from MH) Ironworks (of Crafting) HQ. Crafting is rather fun, if you happen to own a bloody and sweaty shirt.

Grats!
Crafting that stuff is only the first step though. Now you have to overmeld it. ^^

Yes, crafting is indeed fun.
I'm only scared off the high end by the needed time investment, since I don't feel it's worth my while.

[Graeham]

I'm very intimidated by crafting/gathering in this game. It seems very confusing.

[Gutler]

Grats!
Crafting that stuff is only the first step though. Now you have to overmeld it. ^^

Yes, crafting is indeed fun.
I'm only scared off the high end by the needed time investment, since I don't feel it's worth my while.

Eh over melding is all just pure luck.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Well...yeah, you kinda do. Undercutting by 1g because you're trying to establish some kind of quasi-cartel to maintain a certain price is just asking to never sell your item.

Many items will sell for whatever you post it at within reason. Some items are like that, and you're not going to gain more buyers or faster sales because the item tanked into the floor. If someone doesn't need an item, they won't buy it.

For instance, for a long time I was managing to keep anima HQ items for the 210 step at around 400k each. I also conspired with others who started trying to get in on it too to all post at the same price as me. We all profited massively and made a lot of money, as there were steady sales...

Then a couple of people came in and tanked the prices down to 200k and less within a couple of days. The items didn't sell any faster, they kept selling at their normal rate.

People buy items when they need them. The number of people that sit around and shop for deals is pretty low, and for most commonly bought commodities, tanking the price isn't going to make them sell any faster. For premium items, like the new moonfire stuff or dwarf rabbit, yeah, there are people waiting for it to hit a certain price point before they buy, but that's for those items, and their price drop is expected. When my dragon leathers are selling for 10k for days and someone posts some for 5k, and another posts for 4k, and another for 3k, and another for 2.5k, within a few hours dragon leather is so low that it's unfixable. I just wait it out.

There are people who jump on prices when they see the price is high, but these are the same people who ruin the price as well, then once they see the price is no longer high, they butt out of the market. Then you see these same exact people come back later once you've worked the price back up. These people just don't know how to make money, period.

[Berethos08]

I always undercut by 1 gil. Doesn't matter if the item is 5k or 5m. Lazily undercutting by arbitrary amounts is what drives the prices down hard.

Won't see me shed any tears if that forces any items held at high prices due to collusion between sellers to significantly drop in price, but that's just me.

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You're probably right. I'm usually one that abhors a challenge with random strangers, but the encounter is actually very simple. The only mechanic that I don't fully understand is the "dice" over my head. Killed me 2 or 3 times.

Finally got around to doing Weeping City...

Fun little series of events - died to Acceleration Bomb *I think* despite not doing anything except standing there, or so I thought. It counted down to zero and I got hit for my full HP bar and the little text that popped up as "Burst"...only thing I had running was Foe's Requiem. Unless I got hit with something else, having those running apparently counts as an action.

We were at like 10% or so and then I get a raise...take it and right after getting healed up I get marked for meteor and start running to the left like everyone had agreed (left and back, and I was closer to the left)...

Note that this all happened about 4 or 5 seconds after getting raised and healed up...

It was then that I noticed there were three meteor marks in our area, and it was then that I realized I was on a completely different platform from the rest of my alliance.

Just about wiped that alliance, but we were close enough to kill it anyway, and start hearing "That was terrible Celie (character's name)."

Feel bad that I didn't wait till after the meteors to accept the raise cause that would have been simplest, though to be honest I wasn't sure how long before they would go off again and didn't want to sit on the raise for too long...at the same time both our healers were up and were not short on MP, and there was maybe one other person dead at that point, we weren't hurting on damage and we weren't going to wipe, so I kind feel like raising someone from a different alliance when alliance positioning is pretty important was not the best idea either.

Wasn't a bad group overall, but that whole sequence of events together like that felt a bit crazy.

[Sorrior]

Many items will sell for whatever you post it at within reason. Some items are like that, and you're not going to gain more buyers or faster sales because the item tanked into the floor. If someone doesn't need an item, they won't buy it.

For instance, for a long time I was managing to keep anima HQ items for the 210 step at around 400k each. I also conspired with others who started trying to get in on it too to all post at the same price as me. We all profited massively and made a lot of money, as there were steady sales...

Then a couple of people came in and tanked the prices down to 200k and less within a couple of days. The items didn't sell any faster, they kept selling at their normal rate.

People buy items when they need them. The number of people that sit around and shop for deals is pretty low, and for most commonly bought commodities, tanking the price isn't going to make them sell any faster. For premium items, like the new moonfire stuff or dwarf rabbit, yeah, there are people waiting for it to hit a certain price point before they buy, but that's for those items, and their price drop is expected. When my dragon leathers are selling for 10k for days and someone posts some for 5k, and another posts for 4k, and another for 3k, and another for 2.5k, within a few hours dragon leather is so low that it's unfixable. I just wait it out.

There are people who jump on prices when they see the price is high, but these are the same people who ruin the price as well, then once they see the price is no longer high, they butt out of the market. Then you see these same exact people come back later once you've worked the price back up. These people just don't know how to make money, period.

I NEVER coukd have bought them at those prices..OK I could have but not without moogle help.

Those prices were too high to begin with

[Granyala]

I'm very intimidated by crafting/gathering in this game. It seems very confusing.

Nothing confusing about it really.
It's just a timesink/grind of massive proportions for very little reward once you move past the leveling/initial white gear in order to reach high end.

Similar to savage raiding, but the rewards are much less interesting because you can buy everything via the MB and circumvent the grind/gearing process/RNG completely.

Eh over melding is all just pure luck.

Precisely.
Coupled with what materia is worth, gil wise, it becomes a really nasty RNG grind, designed solely to keep crafter income in check by forcing them to dump millions into a black hole of meld failures.

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I NEVER coukd have bought them at those prices..OK I could have but not without moogle help.
Those prices were too high to begin with

Oh give me a break. I was making more than 150K per day from my 12 beast tribe quests alone.
Add another 100K for selling the wyvern map and I could buy one of them items every 2 days.

It was raining gil once they made Tier IV materia easy to get.

[Graeham]

Well, by 'confusing' I mean the post 50 stuff regarding collectibles. It feels very clunky and awkward.

[Sorrior]

Nothing confusing about it really.
It's just a timesink/grind of massive proportions for very little reward once you move past the leveling/initial white gear in order to reach high end.

Similar to savage raiding, but the rewards are much less interesting because you can buy everything via the MB and circumvent the grind/gearing process/RNG completely.


Precisely.
Coupled with what materia is worth, gil wise, it becomes a really nasty RNG grind, designed solely to keep crafter income in check by forcing them to dump millions into a black hole of meld failures.

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Oh give me a break. I was making more than 150K per day from my 12 beast tribe quests alone.
Add another 100K for selling the wyvern map and I could buy one of them items every 2 days.

It was raining gil once they made Tier IV materia easy to get.

Oh NOW I could but I am nit a market man nor a crafter. Beast tribe wise I was not focusing on making money but leveling and had not maxed sahagin so I had 3-6 quests for materia.

Now yes I have enough but it took me awhile to get their and I do have all 4 of each type.

But 400k is alot to some of us who don't play as much as we used too

[Granyala]

Well, by 'confusing' I mean the post 50 stuff regarding collectibles. It feels very clunky and awkward.

It's dead simple:

Get 600GP.
Disc. Eye -> Spontaneous Appraisal -> Disc Eye (Single mind if Disc. Eye procs) -> Spontaneous -> Disc Eye (Single mind if Disc. Eye procs) -> methodical Appraisal.
Leaves you with 2 items to collect at medium value.

You only need to change that if you want one item with a REALLY high value (eg Adamantium for the scrolls etc).

If you manage to get to 650GP, you can eliminate the nasty 5% RNG. Esp worth it when you push for "collect once with max rarity".

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Oh NOW I could but I am nit a market man nor a crafter. Beast tribe wise I was not focusing on making money but leveling and had not maxed sahagin so I had 3-6 quests for materia.

I had 0 wehen I started because I ignored Beasties until the HW relic came along. Started to level them but ran out of steam at rank IV until 3.2 dropped. The added materia gave me the final push to do them.

[Kaelwryn]

Well, by 'confusing' I mean the post 50 stuff regarding collectibles. It feels very clunky and awkward.

Collectables for crafting is pretty much like trying to HQ something, except with collector's glove on so you end up with a collectability rating instead of HQ. For gathering, its sorta the same for botanist and miner. Using the new skills you get, you try to increase the collectability of the item. Fishing is probably the easiest but more rng-y of them all. Its based on the fish's weight to determine its collectability rating.

[Granyala]

Fishing is probably the easiest but more rng-y of them all. Its based on the fish's weight to determine its collectability rating.

Yeah I tried that for around 10 minutes.
Then my cat threw the fishing rod away and asked a nearby Goblin for a pound of C4.

Ugh... I pity them fishers.

[Sesshomaru]

Just came out of the blue, as I haven't tracked the detail achievements for a few months now, but just as I got en "Excellent" proc right before my Byregot's Blessing and thus merging with (would've been anyways) 100% chance of HQ, I happened to achieve an achievement at the go.

What I recommend for you all to be doing is to get 550 Perception (some rank 2-3 materias + full HQ serpentskin gathering) and 600 GP (you get 197 from gear alone, just meld a +3 GP materia) enough to hit the red scrip cap and start getting the tokens in which you can buy 9x IV materia per week. You can sell them or you can use them when you get better gear.

Anyhow, my main point with it is that once you reach the 550 Perception cap, you'll be reliably able to start doing Aetherial Reduction nodes using this nice chart: Ephemeral Rotation (Ephemeral nodes are the only ones you can use Aetherial Reduction with).
Once you get an 8/8 rank, you'll be able to get diverse Aethersand:
Landborne (Mining); used mostly for weapon crafts by BSM/ARM/CRP.
Leafborne (Botanist); used mostly for armor crafts (some weapons) by WVR/LTW/BSM
Seaborne (Fishing); used just for armor crafts, main crafters are WVR and LTW.

The thing is to get as much Landborne Aethersand as those are used for the weapons, mainly the off hands which you should try to get crafted HQ. You can literally buy every class armor pieces from the Splendor vendor, but it takes lots of Blue Scrip Tokens & collectables you have to craft in order to get a receipt token (well, it's called counterfoil, but it's almost the same deal).

The trick is to gather 12*10 tokens just to buy all 10 MH crafting weapons from the Splendor vendor and use half arsed melded Chimerical (of crafting) to get the cap of 718 craftsmanship and use the Seafood Stew to get enough control & plenty of CP to craft the carbonweave set HQ.
And if you happen to be someone like me, whom loves to knit in real life and (thus) choosing WVR as specialist class, you can start creating a piece or two of the Ironworks set and happily start crafting 3 stars just like how I became able to just recently.

Might've missed it out, but Landborne Aethersand is worth tons, so if you don't want to save it up, just sell it for a ~40k profit (current prices on Phoenix EU) each, and even more at HQ. And also tons of crystals & clusters from the Aetherial Reduction.

Peace out.

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Yeah I tried that for around 10 minutes.
Then my cat threw the fishing rod away and asked a nearby Goblin for a pound of C4.

Ugh... I pity them fishers.

I mainly fished just to get tons of Seaborne Aethersand. Now that I have 0 use for it, and nearly unlimited supply of Ice Crystals and Clusters (seriously, I managed to get 9000 from my Seaborne Aethersand hunt alone), I could care less for fishing. Especially because it has nothing to do with the hand crafted crafting classes, with the pure exception of Culinarian, which has and will always be my weak side.

Farming the... 99*6=594 Blue Gatherer Scrip tokens was a pain in the arse, and I would sincerely not farm the last 3 books for something that only Culinarian benefits from.

Then again, there are others who simply enjoys that. Where the heck do they get their patience from, from viewing a fish's arse?

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Which reminds me; where in Eorzea are you all from? As not all have a link to their lodestone character in their signature, as I thought it would've been nice if there was some Phoenix (EU) people hanging around here, as I might've seen you ingame.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Money is easier than ever to come by, even better for a non crafter non gatherer than it ever has been before. I've noticed there are some people who have just decided that they will not make money. Not that they can't, but they simply refuse to. Then when they actually need something that costs money (say, anima items) they endlessly bitch about how they don't have the money. These are often the people that will never bother to do anything like dailies for materia to sell, nor will they farm some primals to post primal items on the MB.