First Megaupload now Filesonic

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I'm now investigating going really old school. Usenet :s

[braxx]

Don't blame America, blame the people that run it.
We don't like this anymore than you do.

that is absoluetly what i meant and what i think. I know the good people of America exists

[conscript]

Don't blame America, blame the people that run it.
We don't like this anymore than you do.

Don't blame America. Blame the handful of other countries that also signed up for ACTA including New Zealand, Australia, South Korea, Japan, and Canada.

[Mayhem]

in my country, to download copyrighted material isn´t illegal... so guess i´m save from this nonesense *g* yay my very own youtube lol

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the lol-part is that they expect us people (read: humans) to buy thoses shitty movies we would never have watched in the first place if they were not free.
I am sure they expect a huge cash flow now that megaup etc is down; they are in for a disappointment. They lulz on you america (also please stop hidding terrorists)

yeah, i think they see it as now everyone is going to go to the shop and buy the movie they would have downloaded, which isnt the case. until they shut down everysingle torrent and file sharing site i will still download them rather than pay for them. only time i pay for a movie is if it is under £5, i am not paying more than £5 for about 2hours of entertainment.

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Don't blame America. Blame the handful of other countries that also signed up for ACTA including New Zealand, Australia, South Korea, Japan, and Canada.

indeed, but i think America is usually the main driving force behind these (the government and big corporations, not the people). these laws are usually backed by all the big US corporations

[Gamdwelf]

The movie industry should stop blaming pirates and start making quality movies.

[Comby]

If those assfucks manage to take down megaupload, the biggest of them all, the rest will be easy. Even tho they have no legal rights to take down the websites, they still do thanks to the movie and music industries insanely powerful lobbyists. If one court ruling says something is illigal its easy to go from there.

I'm gonna go buy a car, then ram it into a bank, rob the bank, then hopefully someone will sue the car company, not me, for the broken laws.

I soooo wish you could nationbash in here cus FUCK *******

[Gheld]

Megaupload reportedly not only knowingly kept up pirated material, they were even being paid to do so. A report button doesn't actually mean anything if they ignore it.

I'm as much all for a free internet as everybody else, but we should not allow ourselves to be blinded and mistake freedom for anarchy. Sites that knowingly play host to illegal material and do little to nothing about it are always going to be at risk of being shut down.

I agree and disagree.

I believe that the primary role of Justice should be to correct Injustice. I personally believe that non-violent offenders have no place in prison, save that space for people who pose a physical risk to society such as violent thugs and sex offenders.

A fixed fine for proprietary damages "over-corrects" injustices caused by illegal file sharing. If I self published something and the copyright was then violated I would have to quantify and prove in CIVIL court (not criminal court) those damages and then sue the violator for said damages. Is it a fair process? Only if the same process applies to giant corporate entities such as the RIAA (but now, thanks to a lot of stupid legislation that has been passed over the years they don't have to follow the same process.)

So if Little Johnny goes and downloads a 99 cent song for free, and shares it with 3 of his friends, and the service by which he does it is headquartered in some country whose name I couldn't hope to pronounce and is thus immune to U.S. courts, how much damages has Little Johnny caused the publisher with those 4 illegal copies his actions created? 0.99*4=150,000 dollars and 2 years in federal prison?

The due process for Megaupload would be as follows:
A subpoena of service records.
Those records then be made available to the publishers of copyright infringed works who would then be responsible to quantify damages caused by said infringement.
The publishers would then take Megaupload to CIVIL court (individually) and give each party a chance to state their case before a judge who would then award damages.
If Megaupload is not capable of paying out the damages then individual damages caused by downloaders could then by sought, such as Little Johnny's 3 dollars and 96 cents.

Because if I made those songs and they were on Megaupload that is exactly the process I would have to go through.

NOT: Blanket law results in millions of dollars in personal fines indirectly given to publishers via public grants/legislative support.

The whole purpose of the justice system is to correct injustice; and if you ask me having a two-tiered justice system is the greatest injustice of all.

[Adam Jensen]

Sometimes people are just forced to Pirate games, Software and music. For example in Asia the amount of people who pirate games and music will be more compare toEurope and USA. Why? because the promotion of those musics were actually not that great in Asia or there are not many music stores which sell these musics. I myself pirate each and every Photoshop title. It's just too damn expensive

I suppose I understand that, since Photoshop and Illustrator are both ~$600 values yet GIMP and Inkscape do the same thing for free.

I don't understand how Adobe can charge $600 for those programs.

Oh and there's Blender (freeware) and 3ds Max (~$600) for 3d graphics too.

[Herecius]

So if Little Johnny goes and downloads a 99 cent song for free, and shares it with 3 of his friends, and the service by which he does it is headquartered in some country whose name I couldn't hope to pronounce and is thus immune to U.S. courts, how much damages has Little Johnny caused the publisher with those 4 illegal copies his actions created? 0.99*4=150,000 dollars and 2 years in federal prison?

Megaupload isn't going to get due process, because megaupload is a website and a business. Its owners are going to get due process, that's how trials work. If they're proven innocent (not very likely, the evidence is very much against them), then there is no reason they would not be able to go back to business. In any case, I wanted to address this comment more.

We can't let ourselves delve into hyperbole. It's the most destructive form of argument, in my opinion. Little Johnny isn't going to get a $150,000 fine and 2 years in prison. He didn't really do much. He'll get about as bad as a shoplifter, if he gets anything at all (he won't get anything at all, he MIGHT get a C&D from his ISP at most). No, if Little Johnny downloaded that song and then proceeds to set up a website and share it with 300 THOUSAND of his friends, he could find himself meeting that punishment.

[Ryme]

Closing down havens of piracy that anybody can easily access by typing a search into google is a perfectly legal thing to do, and I've got trouble seeing anything actually wrong with it. Even if you actively pirate software and files, there's not really any moral highground to take here. A thief doesn't go into a store, steal something, and then tell the judge that they're innocent because it was too expensive, and therefor they had to steal it. Well, they could tell a judge that, but that would be stupid.

Because once all these file sharing services go down, which is looking likely, then where do you turn to share legal content with friends?

For example, I like to share my fraps recordings so we can make multi-angle videos with guildies, if all these sites go down because some people misuse them, then where do we turn? New companies will not bother to create websites like these because the potential legals costs would be extreme.

[Grym]

What about people that had hosted non priacy materials on those sites? Now those sites had been taken down, their file is lost. They uploaded it in case they are lost, so now if those file are lost, and is due to US government shutting those site down, do people have the right for compensation for those lost files? Technically it is THEIR intelectual properties and just been destroyed by the government.

If the answer is yes, and everyone who had non pirated materials go make a claim, it would at least give the government a backlash to work on, we will go down, but they won't have an easy victory.

I am going to download "V for Vendetta" on whatever file sharing sites that are still up....

[Adam Jensen]

The movie industry should stop blaming pirates and start making quality movies.

I do agree that taking down sites like Megaupload isn't perhaps the right direction.

The media industry just needs to learn, as ITunes, Amazon and Netflix did, to adapt to a new business model that competes with piracy.

Quality material, that I can buy and stream whenever I feel like it. Why should I go to Target to buy Casino Royale when I can watch it on Amazon for $2.99? I can watch it 5-6 times before it ads up to the cost of buying it once.

[Deleted]

How do you ddos a site? and with what?

[Deleted]

in my country, to download copyrighted material isn´t illegal... so guess i´m save from this nonesense *g* yay my very own youtube lol

Yes, you're safe. The websites you enjoy that content from are not. They are taken down. So in the end you too get diddly squat.

[braxx]

I suppose I understand that, since Photoshop and Illustrator are both ~$600 values yet GIMP and Inkscape do the same thing for free.

I don't understand how Adobe can charge $600 for those programs.

Oh and there's Blender (freeware) and 3ds Max (~$600) for 3d graphics too.

thoses software are made for professionals and are in a near to a position of monopole i believe; they were aimed for casual computer/photo browser it would be way cheaper

The movie industry should stop blaming pirates and start making quality movies.

Kind of true because there already is some incredible pieces of work available (from the 50's until now). And i am not talking about avatar inception or this optimus autobot crap. Good luck on discovering it though

[This name sucks]

How do you ddos a site? and with what?

Preferably with a botnet.

[Stormgnoef]

Yeah i was pissed.No more download eroge thro filesonic =(.Uploadstation.com still working it seems.

[Doylez]

I want to know how long it will be until they kill off Youtube. It has to be coming soon. Youtube has more illegal, copyright infringing material on it than any other website on the internet by a significant margin. All those movie clips, tv clips, every song ever not hosted by its artist. If the government wants to get serious about cracking down on file sharing they will need to go to Youtube eventually since watching those videos is almost identical to downloading the music.

I believe Youtube is already cooperating with them, they do take down copyrighted stuff if it gets reported. So many Anime OPs that I had bookmarked are gone

[galileoacosta]

Anonymous better do something fast, before this is taken to far