I'll guard you. Let them come through ME first! - Guardian discussion thread.

[Cassandrea]

whose trying to figure out how to dual boot their mac laptop for GWII so that his ass can play a Guardian...

THIS GUYYYYYY

[DrakeWurrum]

Yes, but we don't know how good those stat increases are. For all we know, the boosts in raw power you get for going into that tree is only marginal.

They're actually really good. They're supposed to be stronger than any one piece of gear.

[Ynna]

Yes, but we don't know how good those stat increases are. For all we know, the boosts in raw power you get for going into that tree is only marginal.

Well, as someone pointed out, they're pretty good, but even if they weren't, it would be a problem. If I'm going for a (semi)-offensive build, I'd want the Power (regardless of how much), but I wouldn't necessarily use (a lot of) Symbols.

I don't want to bitch about this too much, but saying it isn't a problem is just not true.

To compensate for the complaints I could make a list of what I do like about the Guardian.

[Cassandrea]

Well, as someone pointed out, they're pretty good, but even if they weren't, it would be a problem. If I'm going for a (semi)-offensive build, I'd want the Power (regardless of how much), but I wouldn't necessarily use (a lot of) Symbols.

I don't want to bitch about this too much, but saying it isn't a problem is just not true.

To compensate for the complaints I could make a list of what I do like about the Guardian.

Bah... we all know that as much as we bitch and moan we stilll gonna get the game, roll a guardian, and be like ZOMGWTFBBQSAUCE *DROOOOOLLL*

or at least that would be me...

[Loaf Lord]

Anyone else feel like guardians lack ranged aoe?

[Deleted]

Anyone else feel like guardians lack ranged aoe?

They don't really need ranged AoE abilites. Guardians got wards, runes, marks or whatever you want to call them, that they can place on the ground. Sure they will appear where you stand, but you're still able to run around while the ward is still placed on the ground. And some of our utility skills lets us make some AoE, despite what weapon we choose.

The only weapon I think is staff that got ranged aoe.

But still, we got plenty of other AoE abilites, they are just not ranged, and the don't only do damage, they heal and apply boons to allies too.

[DrakeWurrum]

Anyone else feel like guardians lack ranged aoe?

Scepter and Staff do seem to have some... will need to actually see their gameplay to get a good feel for how good it is.

[Loaf Lord]

Scepter and Staff do seem to have some... will need to actually see their gameplay to get a good feel for how good it is.

I don't see any on the scepter, and the staff only has a cone attack. It does have a symbol but it's really small.

[DrakeWurrum]

I don't see any on the scepter

Might be AoE, not sure: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Orb_of_Wrath
Definitely targeted ranged AoE: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Smite

This one is on the Focus, and is more of a beam, but w/e: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Ray_of_Judgment
This one is on the Shield: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shield_of_Judgment
This one is on the Torch, but is short range and better with Sword for teleporting: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Cleansing_Flame


Don't discount the off-hand attacks, Scepter doesn't exist in a void.

Zealot's Fire, unfortunately, appears to be ranged single-target, but oh well.

[Ynna]

Anyone else feel like guardians lack ranged aoe?

I wouldn't say "lack". I think the profession can perfectly function without it. It would be nice to have, but not exactly necessary.
Also, I'm unsure how much AoE is useful in terms of dealing damage, with the focus on movement.

But still, it's something to look out for when playing over the weekend.

[DrakeWurrum]

Ranged AoE is going to prove VERY useful in big WvW fights.

[Deleted]

Ranged AoE is going to prove VERY useful in big WvW fights.

*Jump in, cast bubble, people are spread out*

Party pooper here :3

[DrakeWurrum]

*Jump in, cast bubble, people are spread out*

Party pooper here :3

*watches Guardian get focused on and die a few seconds later*

Inb4 mentioning defensive shields/bubbles: How long does it last? wink wink

[Loaf Lord]

Might be AoE, not sure: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Orb_of_Wrath
Definitely targeted ranged AoE: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Smite

This one is on the Focus, and is more of a beam, but w/e: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Ray_of_Judgment
This one is on the Shield: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shield_of_Judgment
This one is on the Torch, but is short range and better with Sword for teleporting: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Cleansing_Flame


Don't discount the off-hand attacks, Scepter doesn't exist in a void.

Zealot's Fire, unfortunately, appears to be ranged single-target, but oh well.

Most of those seem conal. I meant big reticule aoe. The only one I see doing that is smite, but from the videos I've seen it's really small.

---------- Post added 2012-04-23 at 07:25 PM ----------

Grr... guardians are proving to be frustrating. I want to be the magical warrior type class, but I'm not liking their design philosophy, and I still think the trait trees are god awful. There are way too many spirit weapon traits and in the wrong places, they should combine a few of the spirit weapon traits in to one trait. Radiance has an emphasis on burning conditions, but the only weapon set up that can reliably burn is scepter/torch. So 2handed melee guardians are partially screwed. I still think two handed mastery within honor is stupid, put it in at LEAST valor. For a trait line that has prowess in it, it sure as hell doesn't have much offensive traits. I just hope they make a lot of changes before release.

[Deleted]

*watches Guardian get focused on and die a few seconds later*

Inb4 mentioning defensive shields/bubbles: How long does it last? wink wink

Oh I don't mind dying, it's just fun to jump in and do it

- and I think the shield off-hand skill bubble is up for 4 seconds, and the elite skill is up a little bit longer.

[Loaf Lord]

Oh I don't mind dying, it's just fun to jump in and do it

- and I think the shield off-hand skill bubble is up for 4 seconds, and the elite skill is up a little bit longer.

Sanctuary lasts 10 seconds.

[Ynna]

Grr... guardians are proving to be frustrating. I want to be the magical warrior type class, but I'm not liking their design philosophy, and I still think the trait trees are god awful. There are way too many spirit weapon traits and in the wrong places, they should combine a few of the spirit weapon traits in to one trait. Radiance has an emphasis on burning conditions, but the only weapon set up that can reliably burn is scepter/torch. So 2-handed melee guardians are partially screwed. I still think two handed mastery within honor is stupid, put it in at LEAST valor. For a trait line that has prowess in it, it sure as hell doesn't have much offensive traits. I just hope they make a lot of changes before release.

If you're in the Beta, be sure to tell this to Arenanet. I know it's annoying that some things have been (apparently) given little thought.

[DrakeWurrum]

I will admit Guardians have less ranged AoE options than other classes, but that begs the question of whether or not Guardians, specifically, need the ranged AoE. They do have a lot of fancy tools in general. Perhaps Staff Guardians simply need to be tweaked? *shrugs*

[Loaf Lord]

If you're in the Beta, be sure to tell this to Arenanet. I know it's annoying that some things have been (apparently) given little thought.

I wish I was, I'd be badgering them to no end.

---------- Post added 2012-04-23 at 09:36 PM ----------

I will admit Guardians have less ranged AoE options than other classes, but that begs the question of whether or not Guardians, specifically, need the ranged AoE. They do have a lot of fancy tools in general. Perhaps Staff Guardians simply need to be tweaked? *shrugs*

I won't really care if they don't have ranged aoe if they just end up playing right. I want them to fix the traits before anything.

[DrakeWurrum]

I'm sure the Guardian traiting will be vastly improved by launch. What we've seen is a month old, isn't it? They've surely noticed this kind of feedback by now and tried to react to it. We'll have to see.