Teen Killed In Neighborhood Watch Shooting

[lphomiej]

1.) This is a terrible tragedy.
2.) That guy should be charged with murder.
3.) Black people cause more crime per capita than white people, specifically violent crimes.
4.) ^- Because of this, white people are afraid of black people.
5.) Still, this kid shouldn't have been shot.

These are facts.

[Ianus]

Guns don't kill people. Idiots with guns kill people.

if idiots couldnt access the guns they wouldnt kill anyone cause they are pussies

[Seegtease]

1.) This is a terrible tragedy.
2.) That guy should be charged with murder.
3.) Black people cause more crime per capita than white people, specifically violent crimes.
4.) ^- Because of this, white people are afraid of black people.
5.) Still, this kid shouldn't have been shot.

These are facts.

2 and 5 are opinions. 1 technically is too, but no one will likely disagree with it. 4 is a generalization. 3 is the only one that can even fit the format of a fact.

[lphomiej]

if idiots couldnt access the guns they wouldnt kill anyone cause they are pussies

And how do u suggest we find out whether someone is an idiot or not? IQ test? Racist test?
I'm being facetious. There's no way to find out whether a seemingly perfectly sane person with no criminal record would shoot a black person randomly just because he is in his neighborhood.

---------- Post added 2012-03-18 at 11:36 AM ----------

2 and 5 are opinions. 1 technically is too, but no one will likely disagree with it. 4 is a generalization. 3 is the only one that can even fit the format of a fact.

2 isn't an opinion. You're just being a troll. Someone shot and killed someone. Second Degree Murder is a murder that is not premeditated or planned in advance. It should at least go to court. (Obviously it will, at least civilly). This guy won't be living in gated communities any time soon, either.

4 isn't an opinion. I'm sure you can find polling data about this. If you live in the midwest and there aren't any black people, then you obviously don't care. I live in Portland, OR where people are very racist (85+ percent white/Caucasian). My town is 95% white/Causasian. I'm from southern california where gang violence scares the shit out of people, and senseless murder is committed just for the sake of getting INTO a gang. (ie: someone shoots and kills another person in the drive through at Jack in the Box just to show he's hard core enough to join.

5 isn't an opinion. People are only allowed to shoot someone who is a perceived threat (ie: has a weapon which threatens the other person's life). You can't shoot an unarmed person you are chasing.


I will admit: the way this news is delivered gives me a reason to doubt whether the case they are making is true. This is the case whether the kid had an altercation with the man. We don't know. In addition, the cops haven't done their investigation and may not have provided all the facts to the media yet. Who knows?

[Seegtease]

2 isn't an opinion. You're just being a troll. Someone shot someone. It should at least go to court. (Obviously it will, at least civilly).

Not everyone who shoots someone else should be (and isn't) charged with murder. You're the one trolling.

4 isn't an opinion. I'm sure you can find polling data about this. If you live in the midwest and there aren't any black people, then you obviously don't care. I live in Portland, OR where people are very racist (85+ percent white/Caucasian). My town is 95% white/Causasian. I'm from southern california where gang violence scares the shit out of people, and senseless murder is committed just for the sake of getting INTO a gang. (ie: someone shoots and kills another person in the drive through the Jack in the Box just to show he's hard core enough to join.

I didn't say it was opinion. I said it was a generalization. Not all white people are afraid of black people.

5 isn't an opinion. People are only allowed to shoot someone who is a perceived threat (ie: has a weapon and threatens the other person's life). You can't shoot an unarmed person you are chasing.

The human body can in some cases be regarded as a weapon. It's entirely possible that even though he was only 17, he could have been a much more skilled, aggressive, and relentless fighter in close combat than Zimmerman. I can imagine a quite real and quite possible situation how it could have played out that entirely justified a shooting in order to preserve his own life.

Personally, I do believe he could have gotten away without shooting him, but I don't know exactly what went down. It's still possible that the shooting was legally justified.

[Dald]

The people believing that Zimmerman is innocent are depraved, sick, sad excuses for life.

The guy has a history of aggression, complaints against him from people that live around him for his behavior and a weapon.

[lphomiej]

Not everyone who shoots someone else should be (and isn't) charged with murder. You're the one trolling.



I didn't say it was opinion. I said it was a generalization. Not all white people are afraid of black people.



The human body can in some cases be regarded as a weapon. It's entirely possible that even though he was only 17, he could have been a much more skilled, aggressive, and relentless fighter in close combat than Zimmerman. I can imagine a quite real and quite possible situation how it could have played out that entirely justified a shooting in order to preserve his own life.

Personally, I do believe he could have gotten away without shooting him, but I don't know exactly what went down. It's still possible that the shooting was legally justified.

White people are afraid of black people. Not all white people are afraid of black people and not all white people who are afraid of black people are afraid of all black people. I know plenty of black people who've been white-washed to all heck. However, if you think you aren't afraid, then go walk around in Harlem, Oakland, or Compton (or any 'urban' population of black people for that matter). Then you probably would be if you lived near them. If you don't, then you're lucky.
Interestingly enough, race-wise, black on black shootings are 98% of shootings involving a black person as the shooter. Only about 1% of the time are they killing a white person. That's another story, though.

Did you see the kid? He was small. Obviously they didn't show the guy, but c'mon... Even two small people probably can't kill each other with their bare hands.

At least this was an interesting thread to thumb through. Mostly trolls, though.

[Catta]

Okay - this video includes 911 calls...
You can hear the kid screaming help in the background - until a gunshot...


So... the argument supporting Zimmerman is...?

[Bakis]

Guns are good, wanabee cops are good, vigalantes are good, presume any black kid is a criminal is good...
Oh wait..

Fucked uped, nothing more can be said. It is FUCKED UPED.

[ati87]

Okay - this video includes 911 calls...
You can hear the kid screaming help in the background - until a gunshot...


So... the argument supporting Zimmerman is...?

Because ice tea and candy are obvious weapons of mass destructions...

[Catta]

Because ice tea and candy are obvious weapons of mass destructions...

had it been coke and mentos you might have had a case...

[Snakeseye0]

Correction: Zimmerman was permitted to carry a gun, but the fact still stands he was not permitted to carry a gun on patrol.

[Spectral]

Okay - this video includes 911 calls...
You can hear the kid screaming help in the background - until a gunshot...


So... the argument supporting Zimmerman is...?

Yeah, put another mark down in the column that says that Zimmerman very much wanted to shoot someone.

[Isotope]

You can hear the kid screaming help in the background - until a gunshot...

One day we will live in a world where people get multiple sources for their information then make up their opinions based off of said FACTS.

- His own father said that the voice heard calling for help is NOT his son.

- People claiming that this "white guy" killed a "black kid" obviously didn't look anything up. Zimmerman is Hispanic. This has nothing to do with white/black relations.



I STRONGLY suggest everybody read this article http://communities.washingtontimes.c...media-tragedy/

---------- Post added 2012-03-18 at 01:42 PM ----------

Reading all the post, seems no one had mentioned Zimmerman (the shooter) DID NOT HAVE a CCW permit, a license to carry a handgun‼ The fact that police IGNORED and decided not to enforce this law is irrefutable evidence there's corruption in the police and the local court system. The FBI must take over the case and this must be tried in a federal court.

Please provide a source...because this quote

"As for any past legal blemishes, he was once arrested for battery on a law enforcement officer when he interfered in a friend’s arrest. The charge was reduced to simple battery, and he entered a plea that allowed him to have a clean record and qualify for a concealed weapons permit."

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/1...-habitual.html


Please look up information before you start to spread lies. Because it makes you look like an complete fool.

[stopbeingdumb]

You seem to be saying we should ignore racism as long as it's on both sides. Which, I'm sure you can understand, is a steaming horse-shit of an opinion.

That's FAR from what i was saying, maybe you should re-read what i said. I said i was sick of the reverse racism. It's abundant.

Meaning, it's ok for african americans to have their own churches, schools, etc etc. Ok fine whatever. BUT if i as a white man opened up say a chruch and said whites only, i'd persecuted to no end. It's a double standard, and quite frankly i'm sick of it.

[Spectral]

- People claiming that this "white guy" killed a "black kid" obviously didn't look anything up. Zimmerman is Hispanic. This has nothing to do with white/black relations.

White and Hispanic are not mutually exclusive characteristics. In fact, over 50% of Hispanic-Americans self identify as white -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_H...ic_information

[Vanyali]

One day we will live in a world where people get multiple sources for their information then make up their opinions based off of said FACTS.

- His own father said that the voice heard calling for help is NOT his son.

His own father said that once that audio was cleaned up that it WAS his son.

[Porcell]

Reading all the post, seems no one had mentioned Zimmerman (the shooter) DID NOT HAVE a CCW permit, a license to carry a handgun‼ The fact that police IGNORED and decided not to enforce this law is irrefutable evidence there's corruption in the police and the local court system. The FBI must take over the case and this must be tried in a federal court.

No one mentioned it because it's not true; Zimmerman DID have a CCW.

[Catta]

One day we will live in a world where people get multiple sources for their information then make up their opinions based off of said FACTS.

- His own father said that the voice heard calling for help is NOT his son.

- People claiming that this "white guy" killed a "black kid" obviously didn't look anything up. Zimmerman is Hispanic. This has nothing to do with white/black relations.



I STRONGLY suggest everybody read this article http://communities.washingtontimes.c...media-tragedy/

---------- Post added 2012-03-18 at 01:42 PM ----------



Please provide a source...because this quote

"As for any past legal blemishes, he was once arrested for battery on a law enforcement officer when he interfered in a friend’s arrest. The charge was reduced to simple battery, and he entered a plea that allowed him to have a clean record and qualify for a concealed weapons permit."

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/1...-habitual.html


Please look up information before you start to spread lies. Because it makes you look like an complete fool.

I have not said anything about "race" and as someone already pointed out the father said it WAS his son after audio was cleaned up

[Snakeseye0]

One day we will live in a world where people get multiple sources for their information then make up their opinions based off of said FACTS.

- His own father said that the voice heard calling for help is NOT his son.

- People claiming that this "white guy" killed a "black kid" obviously didn't look anything up. Zimmerman is Hispanic. This has nothing to do with white/black relations.



I STRONGLY suggest everybody read this article http://communities.washingtontimes.c...media-tragedy/

---------- Post added 2012-03-18 at 01:42 PM ----------



Please provide a source...because this quote

"As for any past legal blemishes, he was once arrested for battery on a law enforcement officer when he interfered in a friend’s arrest. The charge was reduced to simple battery, and he entered a plea that allowed him to have a clean record and qualify for a concealed weapons permit."

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/1...-habitual.html


Please look up information before you start to spread lies. Because it makes you look like an complete fool.

Plea deal my ass. That last thing I would have thought being allowed is to own a gun even after you assaulted a police officer. Aren't neighborhood watches not even allowed to carry concealed weapons on patrol?