Concept: Improving the Battlegrounds system

[BrianV]

Great ideas there.

[PizzaSHARK]

Perhaps, but you are going to have to realize that not everyone shares your objectives or outlook on the game, and you aren't going to be able to force them to do so.

They should probably find another game to play, then. It's a team game; when you join a team game, you place the team's needs above your own. If you can't do that, or won't do that, you have no business playing a team game.

It's really that simple. There's no other interpretation.

[PhillieB]

Perhaps, but you are going to have to realize that not everyone shares your objectives or outlook on the game, and you aren't going to be able to force them to do so.

This line of reasoning is just silly.

The shared primary objective is to win the battleground, secondly you might have your personal secondary objectives such as honor for a new item etc. Lets compare it to a raid / dungeon - The shared primary objective is to clear the instance and down the bosses. Your personal secondary objective might be that specific item you want. Now would you extend the same courtesy you do in BG's to do whatever they like to people in a Dungeon or LFR? No you would not.

[IEatRoflWafflz]

This line of reasoning is just silly.

The shared primary objective is to win the battleground, secondly you might have your personal secondary objectives such as honor for a new item etc. Lets compare it to a raid / dungeon - The shared primary objective is to clear the instance and down the bosses. Your personal secondary objective might be that specific item you want. Now would you extend the same courtesy you do in BG's to do whatever they like to people in a Dungeon or LFR? No you would not.

Dungeons are not nearly the same thing. What are anyones objectives in a dungeon? I wanna to kill things? Check, try to beat the dungeon. I want a piece of loot? Check, need to defeat the dungeon. Want to see how much DPS i can do? Check, defeat the dungeon. However, in PvP it is different. Do i want honor? Check, win a BG. Do i want to see how much damage i can do? Not a check, i find the biggest damn fight on the field and blow people up. Do i want to just kill alliance (or horde)? Again, not for the goal. I dont want to sit around defending a node for 20 minutes, i want to find some people to kill.

[PhillieB]

Dungeons are not nearly the same thing. What are anyones objectives in a dungeon? I wanna to kill things? Check, try to beat the dungeon. I want a piece of loot? Check, need to defeat the dungeon. Want to see how much DPS i can do? Check, defeat the dungeon. However, in PvP it is different. Do i want honor? Check, win a BG. Do i want to see how much damage i can do? Not a check, i find the biggest damn fight on the field and blow people up. Do i want to just kill alliance (or horde)? Again, not for the goal. I dont want to sit around defending a node for 20 minutes, i want to find some people to kill.

Again, this is your personal objectives. Not the groups objective and perhaps this is where we differ. The group objective or "the common good" to use a borderline socialist term is to win the battleground, which is in e.g. in WSG to Cap 3 flags before the other side do. Everyone's first priority should be to facilitate this happening. Now on the second tier you might have your own objectives and these should support realizing the primary objective, as long as they do just that you are free within that frame if you will to solve the task anyway you choose. This will always be the best solution for the group as a whole.

[PizzaSHARK]

Dungeons are not nearly the same thing. What are anyones objectives in a dungeon? I wanna to kill things? Check, try to beat the dungeon. I want a piece of loot? Check, need to defeat the dungeon. Want to see how much DPS i can do? Check, defeat the dungeon. However, in PvP it is different. Do i want honor? Check, win a BG. Do i want to see how much damage i can do? Not a check, i find the biggest damn fight on the field and blow people up. Do i want to just kill alliance (or horde)? Again, not for the goal. I dont want to sit around defending a node for 20 minutes, i want to find some people to kill.

Then communicate with your team. If no one else is guarding the node, guard it while asking people if they'll come guard it so you can have some fun. Especially ask people who have been running around since the beginning - it's fair that they take their turn guarding a node, right? Alternatively swap positions with someone guarding a high-traffic node (LM, BS, farm/stables depending on faction) so that you're more likely to have the enemy come to you.

There's no excuse for not placing the team's needs and objectives over your own in a team game; my personal preference would be to outright ban people from the BG system for 24 hours every time they decide to tell the team to hose themselves, but that'd probably be unfair. It's entirely possible for you to get your ADHD KILL KILL KILL OOOH SHINY KILLKILLKILL fix while contributing to your team's overall goal of winning the game through objectives.

[bot v2.38beta]

So, after another random BG filled with people who are getting farmed in mid or AFKing

I sure do hate it when I show up to play basketball with a random group of guys, and not all of them know/care about playing by the "official" rules.

[PhillieB]

I sure do hate it when I show up to play basketball with a random group of guys, and not all of them know/care about playing by the "official" rules.

I totally agree, I mean here you are playing; trying to win and one guy just wanna see how high up in the air he can throw the ball. One guy just sits in a corner not participating, one guy decides he gonna try and football tackle every opposing player he sees. All the while you and another guy is trying to actually play the game and win. Or wasn't that the point you were trying to make?

[bot v2.38beta]

Or wasn't that the point you were trying to make?

It was, but you missed the RANDOM group part. Just because someone doesn't want to play by the "official" rules doesn't mean they aren't allowed to play or should you to try to force them out of "your lvl".

People like the OP just remind me of the type of guy that shows up to a basketball court all decked out and with no friends, asks to join a 3v3 game, then calls every violation and penalty on something the other dudes weren't taking so seriously. That guy, while technically right, is not conducive to "fun" or making friends.

The most effective way to change not being grouped with random people /bots is to run a premade, even if it's just pugs from trade. At least you go in knowing that your team is pretty much on the same page.