Unlimited Range Ultimates

[A dot Ham]

I hate them, and not for the reason you might think.

Ya being killed by one sucks, but lets face it, I probably would have died just as easily to a gank.

No what sucks is being on the same team as one, the KSing from base... just pisses me off. Don't contribute to the fight... don't even pay attention to whats going on around you, just sit back and wait for a well timed last hit...

[Deleted]

Ezreal's ultimate is my favourite mechanic in the game. Obviously it sucks when people only use it to KS, but then that's just those people being arseholes, you should hate them, not the ability.

[Renwin]

It's really not a champion issue because that's just part of their ability set. It's more on the player's behalf like Strifus mentioned. There's not much you can do about that but either say they're bad or ignore it.

[kosuko]

If an Ezreal can time his ulti to kill an opponent mid fight he is awesome and deserve all kills he can get.

Did you forgot the timing required to get a killing blow on someone when shooting it from large distance?

[Sephiracle]

There's unfortunately no perfect system for killing blows and KS. They won't fix Karthus' ulty and it's probably one of the more broken/op ultis out there. I couldn't care less if an Ashe, Ezreal, etc. gets the KB off their ultimate especially if they fired it from base, it's not as easy as it looks.

[A dot Ham]

If an Ezreal can time his ulti to kill an opponent mid fight he is awesome and deserve all kills he can get.

Did you forgot the timing required to get a killing blow on someone when shooting it from large distance?

Obviously the type of player we have come to hate.

I didn't say it happens all the time, and it doesn't take any skill at all to (what I call) the spray and pray. In the midst of a team fight, which you felt unnecessary to participate in... you launch your ult in the hopes of getting a last hit.

[Deleted]

Obviously the type of player we have come to hate.

I didn't say it happens all the time, and it doesn't take any skill at all to (what I call) the spray and pray. In the midst of a team fight, which you felt unnecessary to participate in... you launch your ult in the hopes of getting a last hit.

So if ashe fires her arrow to toplane while farming bot, to give you a) a way out when getting caught b) give a 4 sec stun and give you a garantueed free kill pretty much, but ends up being the KB because of the delay on the travel distance, you complain about it?

You have no idea just how hard it is to hit an across the map ultimate on a rather small moving target. To time it just to have the killing blow you have to be extremely skilled with it (or just incredibly lucky).

Just my thoughts.

[Deleted]

I didn't say it happens all the time, and it doesn't take any skill at all to (what I call) the spray and pray. In the midst of a team fight, which you felt unnecessary to participate in... you launch your ult in the hopes of getting a last hit.

If that person fires an ulti into a team fight, especially an Ezreal, he's gonna be doing about 400-500ish damage to everyone on their team if it hits them all. An Ashe is going to deal about 250-300 damage to everybody and slow them ridiculously AND stun one of them, so if that person ends up getting the killing blow on one of them, then fair enough to that person, they did a good job.

I also second what kosuko said, Ezreal is one of my mains and after the sheer amount of time playing him, I still miss maybe 70% of my cross map ultimates. It really isn't easy to hit someone when you can't really predict their movement that well. They could turn around, or stop sooner than you thought they would. Plus the amount of games I've won by stealing Baron Nashor with Ez ulti is huge, you'll love it when that happens.

[Deleted]

If you shoot your Ulti across the map it´s to assist the team in a fight, there is no way to know for the person firing the Ulti that they are getting the kill for it.

If they fire it when they see the person is at low health to finish him, there is no way for that person to know you would catch them. Not only that, even if the Ezreal or Ashe do this just to KS, then atleast you get an extra assist helping the team. This complaint seems very childish since who gets the kills isn´t what is important at all.

(The only people that actually have these kinds of global ults are actually carrys, making it worth it -.-)

[Darkdruidelf]

The best thing to do with Ezs ulti is play the game of 'Can I steal the other teams buffs with my ulti?'

You feel pro when you pull it off.

But OT: A lot of people with these ultis are either AD carries or lategame AP carries, like Ez and Ashe or Karthus.

Here's a newsflash, ad carries CANNOT killsteal. If we could, we would give literally every kill to them. Karthus also cannot KS because you really want him to get kills because of his insane scaling into the lategame.

[rijn dael]

It's a team game, and securing a kill (plus 60%? of the kill value as assist gold) is much more important than who gets the KB.

Sure you could have a troll refusing to fight in team fights, but that is hardly the standard scenario.

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It's a team game, and securing a kill (plus 60%? of the kill value as assist gold) is much more important than who gets the KB.

Sure you could have a troll refusing to fight in team fights, but that is hardly the standard scenario.

[Maelstrom51]

Ezreal's ultimate is my favourite mechanic in the game. Obviously it sucks when people only use it to KS, but then that's just those people being arseholes, you should hate them, not the ability.

Them KSing with it means your team end up with more gold, and an extra 300g on the AD carry. Its pretty damn good if an Ezreal KSs a kill with it.

[Deleted]

That arrow is too awesome to be used just to have some chance to get a kill. If player is constantly doing this, he is very probably missing constantly and he does not play the champion right. It's probably the same for Ezreal, but pure damage does not sound that much important so IDK, maybe it's just good for them to give it a try.


On other hand, I've seen quite a lot Karthus players who always use their ultimate for this. And Gankplanks as well. It's extremely annoying to miss those ultimates later, just because some retard fished kill on enemy that was going to be killed anyway.

[Rampant Rabbit]

You know, people shoot those ult's from the base to contribute to the fight because it's probably going to be a team fight they won't be able to fully join in on.

Kill confirmed is a kill confirmed. Fucking deal with it.

[Makoblade]

KS = kill securing.

I'm extremely happy when my teammates are attentive enough to watch other lanes/areas and use their global ultimates to help contribute. I'd take an assist and give the kill to another player on my team any day if it was a choice between that and just me having a kill.

[Sephiracle]

KS = kill securing.

I'm extremely happy when my teammates are attentive enough to watch other lanes/areas and use their global ultimates to help contribute. I'd take an assist and give the kill to another player on my team any day if it was a choice between that and just me having a kill.

There's quite a deal of gray area with that though. If you're trying to secure a kill, and you reasonably got the whole 'kill' on your own, i.e. you've initiated, did most of the damage, lured them in, etc. and they jump in and get the killing blow in and now you're an 'assist' with probably a lot less health/mana as a result that can be very frustrating. Especially if the player consistently does it or disregards the fact that they did get the kill with little personal effort. In team fights, it frankly doesn't matter who gets the kill.

Unfortunately there's no perfect system and you'll always end up having to deal with an asshat somewhere along the way.

[Maelstrom51]

Kill + Assist >> Kill by itself when it comes to team gold.

[Sephiracle]

Kill + Assist >> Kill by itself when it comes to team gold.

Team gold is only really a concern when the people play like a team, in which case, the OP's scenario wouldn't be a problem.

[Deleted]

I don't have a problem with global ults. The characters who have them are carries, so it's ok if they get the kill + more money for the team with 1 extra person in the kill.

I do play Ezreal alot, so I might be biased, but I rarely find the right opportunity to secure a kill with his ult, unless it's straight down a lane, or in a teamfight. Otherwise it's super hard to anticipate where the players will move, and it's pretty much down to luck.

I do however, love to steal baron or the enemies red/blue with it

[schwank05]

This is a team game so I have never once cared about a so called KS, it doesn't matter who gets a kill as long as they die. So I think these ulti's are awesome I don't believe in KS'ing its a team game who cares how you win as long as you win.