Maybe PVE Should Just Be Removed

[InfiniteRetro]

Being a huge pve'er in GW1 i find GW2 such a let down in so many areas. But in saying that, the one thing, the only thing that seems to be fairly free of criticism is sPVP and WvWvW. I'm wondering since Anet stated their dreams for this to go esport, that the PVE is not so much tact on but just something to appease the pve'ers from the first game. and i do mean...loosely appease.

Theres obvious issues with levelling. either not enough xp, not enough pve content to make up for the little xp. The people who dont want to do everything in the game all the time is also another hurdle, Anet havent really explained IN GAME much of what goes on and tutorials are desperately needed.

Thats my brief, i can go more into it, but what i wanted to say was with a bloke i met on another forum we're arguing back and forth, and i suddenly realised he was arguing on the pvp side of things. whereas i was for the pve side. all his experiences as most on pvp in gw2 are extremely positive, yet the pve side leaves a lot to be desired.

honestly, if pvp is truly their main focus since the game as many have stated is centred around pvp, maybe let the pve go. Considering how solid the pvp side is I'm sure people would get it soley for that. Look at games like Planetside 2 and Tribes Ascend and how popular they are. No campagin.

[Dodrin]

Being a huge pve'er in GW1 i find GW2 such a let down in so many areas. But in saying that, the one thing, the only thing that seems to be fairly free of criticism is sPVP and WvWvW. I'm wondering since Anet stated their dreams for this to go esport, that the PVE is not so much tact on but just something to appease the pve'ers from the first game. and i do mean...loosely appease.

Theres obvious issues with levelling. either not enough xp, not enough pve content to make up for the little xp. The people who dont want to do everything in the game all the time is also another hurdle, Anet havent really explained IN GAME much of what goes on and tutorials are desperately needed.

Thats my brief, i can go more into it, but what i wanted to say was with a bloke i met on another forum we're arguing back and forth, and i suddenly realised he was arguing on the pvp side of things. whereas i was for the pve side. all his experiences as most on pvp in gw2 are extremely positive, yet the pve side leaves a lot to be desired.

honestly, if pvp is truly their main focus since the game as many have stated is centred around pvp, maybe let the pve go. Considering how solid the pvp side is I'm sure people would get it soley for that. Look at games like Planetside 2 and Tribes Ascend and how popular they are. No campagin.

We've all seen a ton of people claiming the game "doesn't have enough XP", but that just isn't true. If you found yourself underleveled for a zone, it means one simple thing; you're doing it wrong.

And PvE in GW2 isn't "tacked on", it's definitely thoroughly thought out, and very interesting and dynamic, and more akin to PvP in how you must handle NPCs. While I do think GW2 is slightly more a PvP game than a PvE, it definitely isn't lacking enough to cause troubles in the PvE department. I'd say your experience is bad to judge off of, because it sounds to me you didn't do 70% of the things in this game that give you XP.

[Delias]

This will be what, 4 threads in a row you made here to flamebait that got locked? It's amazing that you haven't gotten so much as a temp ban yet.

On topic so I don't get an infraction for replying to your thread, I'll simply say this. Just because you don't enjoy GW2's PvE doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. Plenty of people do enjoy it. If you don't like it, don't play it. PvE and sPvP are COMPLETELY separate.

[Baloneyz]

Being a huge pve'er in GW1 i find GW2 such a let down in so many areas. But in saying that, the one thing, the only thing that seems to be fairly free of criticism is sPVP and WvWvW. I'm wondering since Anet stated their dreams for this to go esport, that the PVE is not so much tact on but just something to appease the pve'ers from the first game. and i do mean...loosely appease.

Theres obvious issues with levelling. either not enough xp, not enough pve content to make up for the little xp. The people who dont want to do everything in the game all the time is also another hurdle, Anet havent really explained IN GAME much of what goes on and tutorials are desperately needed.

Thats my brief, i can go more into it, but what i wanted to say was with a bloke i met on another forum we're arguing back and forth, and i suddenly realised he was arguing on the pvp side of things. whereas i was for the pve side. all his experiences as most on pvp in gw2 are extremely positive, yet the pve side leaves a lot to be desired.

honestly, if pvp is truly their main focus since the game as many have stated is centred around pvp, maybe let the pve go. Considering how solid the pvp side is I'm sure people would get it soley for that. Look at games like Planetside 2 and Tribes Ascend and how popular they are. No campagin.

Stop trolling already and get a perma ban.

[Squirrelbanes]

since Anet stated their dreams for this to go esport.

That doesn't imply exclusivity in their design.

That's all I cba to reply to. Enjoy ur opinion.

[InfiniteRetro]

This will be what, 4 threads in a row you made here to flamebait that got locked? It's amazing that you haven't gotten so much as a temp ban yet.

On topic so I don't get an infraction for replying to your thread, I'll simply say this. Just because you don't enjoy GW2's PvE doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. Plenty of people do enjoy it. If you don't like it, don't play it. PvE and sPvP are COMPLETELY separate.

so i can only post positive stuff? ive posted my opinions whether you like them or not. get over it or dont bother. anet have always put pvp above pve even in the first game despite loads still playing pve regardless. its not about whether i like it, its about the general impact its having and the amount of issues its causing.

[Glytch]

Being a huge pve'er in GW1 i find GW2 such a let down in so many areas. But in saying that, the one thing, the only thing that seems to be fairly free of criticism is sPVP and WvWvW. I'm wondering since Anet stated their dreams for this to go esport, that the PVE is not so much tact on but just something to appease the pve'ers from the first game. and i do mean...loosely appease.

Theres obvious issues with levelling. either not enough xp, not enough pve content to make up for the little xp. The people who dont want to do everything in the game all the time is also another hurdle, Anet havent really explained IN GAME much of what goes on and tutorials are desperately needed.

Thats my brief, i can go more into it, but what i wanted to say was with a bloke i met on another forum we're arguing back and forth, and i suddenly realised he was arguing on the pvp side of things. whereas i was for the pve side. all his experiences as most on pvp in gw2 are extremely positive, yet the pve side leaves a lot to be desired.

honestly, if pvp is truly their main focus since the game as many have stated is centred around pvp, maybe let the pve go. Considering how solid the pvp side is I'm sure people would get it soley for that. Look at games like Planetside 2 and Tribes Ascend and how popular they are. No campagin.

so if i dont like you can we remove you? i mean, its not like anyone cares

[Delias]

so i can only post positive stuff? ive posted my opinions whether you like them or not. get over it or dont bother. anet have always put pvp above pve even in the first game despite loads still playing pve regardless. its not about whether i like it, its about the general impact its having and the amount of issues its causing.

So you're saying that the PvE is sub par, and the best solution is to remove it from the game? That will definitely appease the PvEers you are so worried about!

[InfiniteRetro]

so if i dont like you can we remove you? i mean, its not like anyone cares

yes, of course gw2 fans wont care if i dont point out issues someone has with a video game. terrible terrible gamer i am LOL

So you're saying that the PvE is sub par, and the best solution is to remove it from the game? That will definitely appease the PvEers you are so worried about!

im saying its the impression i get that one side of the coin is incredibly well polished while the other isnt. after 6 years i think its a bit...well...disconcerting.

[Dosvidaniya]

so i can only post positive stuff? ive posted my opinions whether you like them or not. get over it or dont bother. anet have always put pvp above pve even in the first game despite loads still playing pve regardless. its not about whether i like it, its about the general impact its having and the amount of issues its causing.

Just because there are complaints, it doesn't mean remove the thing entirely. That's the craziest logic I've ever heard. How many people complain about pvp? Balance is the number one complaint in every MMO that isn't doing something crazy. Does that mean companies should just dump pvp? Your argument is ridiculous.

You didn't even focus on the issues it is causing. If you want to discuss those, that is one thing. What are these massive issues being caused? What is this massive impact? Just claiming that a massive portion of the game should cease to exist is a bit crazy and it sounds like trolling to me.

[grandpab]

You didn't even focus on the issues it is causing. If you want to discuss those, that is one thing. What are these massive issues being caused? What is this massive impact? Just claiming that a massive portion of the game should cease to exist is a bit crazy and it sounds like trolling to me.

This is pretty much what he does. He makes claims with nothing to back them up, or when he does try to back them up he's grasping for straws.

[Glytch]

terrible terrible gamer i am LOL

i dont think i could have said it better myself

you should try posting this on GW2G. maybe their giant batch of crazy will find it more... palpable

[InfiniteRetro]

Just because there are complaints, it doesn't mean remove the thing entirely. That's the craziest logic I've ever heard. How many people complain about pvp? Balance is the number one complaint in every MMO that isn't doing something crazy. Does that mean companies should just dump pvp? Your argument is ridiculous.

You didn't even focus on the issues it is causing. If you want to discuss those, that is one thing. What are these massive issues being caused? What is this massive impact? Just claiming that a massive portion of the game should cease to exist is a bit crazy and it sounds like trolling to me.

people wish WoW would die every day. i guess thats perfectly acceptable.

and i have discussed the issues i have. guess what i get? STFU, GTFO, L2P, etc etc. basically anything negative as good as its laid out is met with pure fanboyism. so, excuse me if im a little tired of the same people claiming im trolling simply for having an opinion.

Trolling = YOUR GAME SUCKS HAHAHAH
Opinion = pointing out at length the issues, why they are an issue and how it could be rectified. go read my history of topics. you think im still trolling? fine.

oh, since i paid for the game in full, i dont think a single person here has the right to tell me NOT to critique something about a game i dont have in my posession yet is paid in full without a release date.

---------- Post added 2012-06-18 at 11:32 PM ----------

i dont think i could have said it better myself

you should try posting this on GW2G. maybe their giant batch of crazy will find it more... palpable

i cant tell if thats sarcasm or not but yes, i did actually. basically the same reaction has here. GW2 is god, and you are the infidel for mentioning ill of a video game.

one day you'll realise a video game opinion differing from your own wont hurt anyone.

[Allanon the Mystic]

Trolling = YOUR GAME SUCKS HAHAHAH
Opinion = pointing out at length the issues, why they are an issue and how it could be rectified. go read my history of topics. you think im still trolling? fine.

You haven't pointed out any issues, you just stated there were issues. You're not posting constructively nor are you posting actual facts that have any sort of foundation in order to back up your argument.

Your entire post sums up as:
There are huge issues with the PvE in this game, therefor it should be completely removed.

I don't understand how you could even of made that jump in logic.

[InfiniteRetro]

You haven't pointed out any issues, you just stated there were issues. You're not posting constructively nor are you posting actual facts that have any sort of foundation in order to back up your argument.

i wasnt going to regurgitate what ive already posted before in other threads. i merely was focusing on the fact that in gw2, pvp is fantastic, pve seems to be broken. you want details, sure, and when i give them, like last time, all you folk just pretend im trolling so you can believe the game is without flaws. sorry, its a bit of a double standard to allow people to praise something and bash other games but not when someone decides to bring things to the table.

[Deleted]

nuh-uh

/wakwak

[Delias]

STFU,

No one said that, but you probably should now that you've brought it up.

GTFO,

No one said that, but you probably should now that you've brought it up.

L2P,

No one said that, but you probably should now that you've brought it up.

etc etc. basically anything negative as good as its laid out is met with pure fanboyism. so, excuse me if im a little tired of the same people claiming im trolling simply for having an opinion.

Trolling = YOUR GAME SUCKS HAHAHAH
Opinion = pointing out at length the issues, why they are an issue and how it could be rectified. go read my history of topics. you think im still trolling? fine.

oh, since i paid for the game in full, i dont think a single person here has the right to tell me NOT to critique something about a game i dont have in my posession yet is paid in full without a release date.

I'm sure you're right. They should completely remove half of the game (the half they they have probably put more work into during development, as it's harder to make MMO PvE than MMO PvP) because you think it is sub par, regardless of the people who enjoy it. Obviously, you are simply 'pointing out at length the issues'. I mean, look at your OP. It's so in depth and detailed. "Theres obvious issues with levelling." is quite obviously a very informative argument with lots of points against PvE, and by the evidence you have provided I am inclined to agree with you. Hell, with issues that huge they should quite obviously just call off the GW2 release. Skip to GW3, make it a PvP only game. Quite. *sips tea*

[Glytch]

arena net needs to hire this guy. he's the new peter molyneux

[Salech]

PvE is great in Guild wars 2, it's about exploring the world, which is done almost perfectly.

[Allanon the Mystic]

i wasnt going to regurgitate what ive already posted before in other threads. i merely was focusing on the fact that in gw2, pvp is fantastic, pve seems to be broken. you want details, sure, and when i give them, like last time, all you folk just pretend im trolling so you can believe the game is without flaws. sorry, its a bit of a double standard to allow people to praise something and bash other games but not when someone decides to bring things to the table.

Of course there are flaws, there are flaws in PvE and PvP in this game and every game (and YES there are flaws in PvP. That doesn't mean to get rid of it, and -reposting- a topic that got locked is a easy way to get banned (regardless of what you are posting). The reason PvP might seem fantastic, is because ANet has a reputation of overall great PvP, AND they are focusing a lot of advertisement and media over WvW (a huge selling point they are having and is more hyped about then other content). As of right now they are doing more of a focus on doing class balances because of the BWE's, but that doesn't mean PvE is getting being cast aside either.

PvE in this game is not like other typical MMOs (endgame raiding), it's more about being part of the world, interacting and influencing the world itself through the factors of Events and Dynamic Events. It's not rushing to endgame and being hardcore about endgame content, it's the casual play of just playing for fun. (Casual does not equal Easy either).

PS: I haven't read your other threads, nor probably will I, so if you have any actual issues you want to post about and discuss, quote them.