Supreme Court upholds the Affordable Health Care Act in its entirety

[Deleted]

Greece + Spain + Italy = 3 countires.

I'm not going to argue with you about clear failing leftist policies that lead to bankruptcy in these above countries. Put the kool-aid down.

But those 3 countries are not left leaning...

[Zecora]

Well now that we all live in this rainbows and koolaid society its gonna be a rude awakening to all the sheep lined up in the emergency room waiting to get seen for anything. Your gonna see the worst healthcare you could imagine 10 fold. Its gonna take you about a month to get a Drs appointment and your will wait about 3 days to see a Dr in the ER unless you have an axe in your forehead. No right minded company in the US is going to be able to afford to keep offering group insurance plans. Everyone gets on the koolaid plan!!!!! Soon healthcare will be rationed off like government cheese. Welcome to socialism, hope your happy. You think Im crazy well Ive worked in the emergency room for most of my adult life, I an well aware of what this will do to healthcare.

And yet, people have no problem getting to see a doctor in Canada, Britain, Scandinavia, France or the rest of Europe...and everyone can go to the doctor for free (near enough) there.

[badzerath]

I can see where your argument was substituted by pseudo expletives.


The SCOTUS is predominantly Republican appointed. If they voted on 'party lines', what does that tell you?

I can see you failed to reference any part of the constitution or ruling to provide a intelligent argument.

4 libs 4 cons. 1 swing

[Jaxi]

Yes - let us compare the actions from 200 years ago with today - Nothing has changed amirite[COLOR="red"]

More around 150 years ago. Not really actually, the law is still very much so the same on said matters. This is getting ridiculously off topic. You're using a defaming argument against the USA to prove what exactly? That you find your country to be better? I'd argue that there is a bit of bias in that, but at any rate you continue to try to lead away on merry go round tangential arguments, so this isn't worth debating anymore.

[alexw]

According to the World Health Organization:

Sweden: 23rd
Norway: 11th
Denmark: 34th

United States: 37th

Its even worse than it seems. If the U.S. spent very little on healthcare then it might be understandable that its low ranked, but on a per person basis it spends the most of any nation in the world by a significant amount, and yet has abysmal outcomes.

The european systems cost much less per person and are way better. Yet the U.S. right foam at the mouth about this saying that national health systems are the devil incarnate. I just don't get it. Are they that willfully blind?

[Deleted]

Congratulations and welcome to the civilized world, where you don't need to be rich to get healthcare if you are unfortunate enough to get a sickness that needs to be treated with expensive medicine and/or treatment.

[Zigzagzoom]

And yet, people have no problem getting to see a doctor in Canada, Britain, Scandinavia, France or the rest of Europe...and everyone can go to the doctor for free (near enough) there.

I lived in canada they hc sucks, your are put on a waiting list for operative non elective operative procedures, sorry thats not my idea of good healthcare.

[Zecora]

If Obamacare survives, our health care system will quickly resemble our public education system: the best doctors (like teachers) will opt out of the public sector and work in private sector. Families will strive for private services rather than the public version, even though they are burdoned with both expenses, just like education. With similar disasterous results.

It was my impression that with the exception of a few dedicated individuals, your best doctors ALREADY worked in the private sector? So what exactly will change?

[Callace]

Couldn't agree more and the elite Obama worshippers who funnel millions to him like Clooney couldn't care less. Think you will see the hollywood or the wealthily leftist in line with you while you wait for your ration of healthcare?? Heck no they pay out of pocket to best of the best Drs, they could care less.....

That's a poor distinction. Moviestars are a tiny drop in the bucket of people with that much wealth. Of course wealthy people are going to pay for private services, they get more for what they pay for. Most regular people can't even afford regular medical care.

[badzerath]

"To pretend you know when you do not know is a disease." - Lao-tzu




Speaking of reading comprehension, you obviously missed the part where it said "Syllabus" at the top of the section you pulled that from; try again. Come back after you've actually read the Opinions of the Court and its respective Justices.

Amazing first post though () -- you'll fit right in here at MMO-C, and with the WoW community at large as well, I'd gather.

Nice try.

Wasn't pulled from the syllabus, maybe you should go read the whole thing again? Specifically the "opinion of the court" section?

[Tinykong]

Please point to the paragraph in the US or international law that states that.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/120542.pdf

[Callace]

I can see you failed to reference any part of the constitution or ruling to provide a intelligent argument.

4 libs 4 cons. 1 swing

That's rich. The burden of proof lies pretty heavily on you since it was your claim. Your only evidence was "this is wrong because I say so". You're not the constitution.

[Zecora]

I lived in canada they hc sucks, your are put on a waiting list for operative non elective operative procedures, sorry thats not my idea of good healthcare.

And they are somehow preventing you from seeking private alternatives if you truly want...? Anyhow, any surgery that is truely urgent will be taken care of immediately in all of those countries. If your surgery is NOT that urgent, do you really think they'll take you in before those who have a more urgent need?

[Zigzagzoom]

That's a poor distinction. Moviestars are a tiny drop in the bucket of people with that much wealth. Of course wealthy people are going to pay for private services, they get more for what they pay for. Most regular people can't even afford regular medical care.

Tiny drop but the machine behind the obama campaign monies. Just saying I think we are sick of rich elitist leftist preaching morality to us.

[Shadoweye]

Its even worse than it seems. If the U.S. spent very little on healthcare then it might be understandable that its low ranked, but on a per person basis it spends the most of any nation in the world by a significant amount, and yet has abysmal outcomes.

The european systems cost much less per person and are way better. Yet the U.S. right foam at the mouth about this saying that national health systems are the devil incarnate. I just don't get it. Are they that willfully blind?

Health insurance is the reason for the "high costs" per person.... if we let free market run the health care like it should be, we would be able to get the best health care for the lowest cost, and would force new technologies to be built, and new advances to be made in the medical field that would help lower the costs for the world in general. but since we still have insurance companies, rates are what they are, and health care is what it is.... we need a true free market that is not touched by the government and our health care would be far better off.

[Zigzagzoom]

And they are somehow preventing you from seeking private alternatives if you truly want...? Anyhow, any surgery that is truely urgent will be taken care of immediately in all of those countries. If your surgery is NOT that urgent, do you really think they'll take you in before those who have a more urgent need?

That the point, the government has no business delegating healthcare. That should be up to your Dr and you.

[IIamaKing]

oh yeah!! one more lovely provision within Obamacare.. before Obamacare you could deduct your health insurance premiums if they are over 7% of your income.. Obamacare increases that to 9.5%

meaning it's a tax increase on me!

You must be mistaken. Obama PROMISED NO TAX INCREASES on people who make less than 250k a year. And we know he doesn't lie.

[Zecora]

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/120542.pdf

I am guessing you refer to this part?

If a U.S. citizen serves in the armed forces of a foreign state or as a
commissioned or noncommissioned officer of a foreign state engaged in
hostilities against the United States the administrative presumption of
intention to retain U.S. citizenship does not apply

Notice that is says foreign state. That was not the case in the discussed event.

[Itisamuh]

Making other people pay for someone else's health care is right? Increasing taxes is right? Allowing illegal aliens who don't pay taxes to get health care at the cost of others hard work is right? Creating a society of lazy do nothings who never have to get a job or contribute to the community because they get free food, housing and now healthcare is right? You have a funny definition of right.

This sums up my feelings on the matter. Good on paper, bad in practice. All this free relief for the lazy crap needs to go. And before anyone says it, yes, I know some people truly are unfortunate and laziness had nothing to do with their state. But until the system separates them from the lazy and the ones who abuse the programs (having kids while unable to afford them just to draw from these systems that others have to pay for) I will be firmly against it. Health care is no different. I agree with certain points of this, such as insurance not being able to turn people away for dumb reasons. But it should not be mandatory, and should not be a tax on the working.

[Zecora]

That the point, the government has no business delegating healthcare. That should be up to your Dr and you.

Hell no. You have absolutely NO right to jump the queue in front of someone that have an actual urgent need. Any non-private system that allows you to bypass others with a more urgent need is BADLY in need of regulation.