1. #4001
    Not sure if you used guides for 'em or rolled the builds yourself.
    I rolled it myself. I wanna get a build going before I go fully level shadow because no respec :l and I saw leeching claws near shadow and energy shield and I went from there, picking up as much ES as I could and then going down south for VP and I picked up claw block on the way. Here I fixed it up again.

    http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-s...DbGhB79Uu-Op65

    +34 to Strength
    +253 to Dexterity
    +183 to Intelligence
    +151.5 to maximum Mana
    +92 to maximum Life
    Evasion Rating: 53
    +3 Maximum Endurance Charge
    +4 Maximum Frenzy Charge
    +4 Maximum Power Charge
    4% Additional Elemental Resistance per Endurance Charge
    4% Physical Damage Reduction per Endurance Charge
    5% Attack Speed Increase per Frenzy Charge
    5% Cast Speed Increase per Frenzy Charge
    50% Critical Strike Chance Increase per Power Charge
    18% increased Attack Speed
    7% increased Movement Speed
    80% increased Physical Damage with One Handed Melee Weapons
    32% additional Chance to Block while Dual Wielding
    120% increased Physical Weapon Damage while Dual Wielding
    24% increased Attack Speed while Dual Wielding
    136.6% increased Evasion Rating
    142% increased maximum Energy Shield
    210% increased Physical Damage with Claws
    56% increased Accuracy Rating with Claws
    20% increased Attack Speed with Claws
    55% increased Energy Shield Cooldown Recovery
    +28% to all Elemental Resistances
    15% increased Power Charge Duration
    2% of Physical Attack Damage Leeched as Mana
    Life Leech applies to Energy Shield instead of Life
    Maximum Life becomes 1, Immune to Chaos Damage
    60% increased Critical Strike Chance with Claws
    12% of Physical Damage Dealt with Claws Leeched as Life
    +20 to maximum Energy Shield
    12% more Maximum Energy Shield
    Doubles chance to Evade Projectile Attacks
    18% increased Frenzy Charge Duration
    Life Leech applies instantly. Life Regeneration and Life Recovery from Flasks have no effect.
    +36.6% Energy Shield
    +6.8% increased Melee Physical Damage
    +506 Accuracy Rating

    From a paser I downloaded. Not sure if this is any good because haven't played much. But I I figured High evasion + 32% block + leech would be enough surv? double chance to dodge projectiles.
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  2. #4002
    Quote Originally Posted by Drunkenfinn View Post
    I think one of the developers put it like this: "Put on a full-plate-mail and I'll throw sticks at you. You probably wont feel a thing. However, if I threw the whole tree you'd feel it a lot and the armor wouldnt really help that much" or something like that. It's logical reasoning though it's kinda annoying that the big-hitters can annihilate even the tankiest of toons if you dont have Enduring Charges up :P
    It makes a lot of logical sense in the way in which armor and mitigation operate in POE. The main point of confusion/disatisfaction is one of grammar not mechanical operation.

    What I mean is that a heavily armored warrior is not necessarily the "tankiest of toons". The application of the terms toughness, "tankiness" and even "heavily armored" are faulty.

    In another sense I try to think of it in a somewhat academic mind; that which is tough is not necessarily hard. Such as a diamond being one of the hardest materials we know of, yet a diamond can be shattered quite easily. Yet something like Jadeite is exceedingly tough (anvils used to be made out of Jadeite!), though not necessarily hard.

    Toughness and hardness are different entities.
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  3. #4003
    I have no idea of what you're going to use as abilities.
    Duel strike will be my main, hits with both claws so thats 12% base leech (not including from claws) per hit for each claw and I was thinking whirling blades for an escape.
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  4. #4004
    Why did you take frenzy charges, Zito?

    How are you planning on generating Frenzy charges if not through Frenzy?

  5. #4005
    Quote Originally Posted by Fencers View Post
    Why did you take frenzy charges, Zito?

    How are you planning on generating Frenzy charges if not through Frenzy?
    blood rage? Though I mainly got it on my way to dervish. But I'm immune to chaos damage so blood rage is good.
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    I really like reading your posts, Fencers.

    I'm not one to write such elaborate and grammatically refined responses, but I sure can appreciate those who do! And obviously enjoy reading them as well.
    I kinda knew how armor worked in PoE but wasnt sure about the exact math behind it. Thanks for the charts!

  7. #4007
    Quote Originally Posted by zito View Post
    blood rage? Though I mainly got it on my way to dervish. But I'm immune to chaos damage so blood rage is good.
    I figured it was Blood Rage. I used BR on my dagger Witch but it felt a little clumsy.

    I was curious how you planned to use Frenzy charges.

  8. #4008
    Quote Originally Posted by Fencers View Post
    I figured it was Blood Rage. I used BR on my dagger Witch but it felt a little clumsy.

    I was curious how you planned to use Frenzy charges.
    Only thing I could use would be discharge. Though I would rather keep them for the passive evasion and attack speed bonus (+20% for both) but if I gain them fast enough it'll be discharge.

    http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-s...bvTu-g7-P1S_-T

    Got rid of power charges and added frenzy instead.
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  9. #4009
    Hm, I found two Ungil's Gauches back to back from two Merveil runs and I want to put them to use.

    Going to roll a dual dagger build with reave / cast on crit / arc / cold snap / ele prolif in a Voll's protector (built-in power charge on crit).

    Will definitely have 75% block chance (two gauches alone give 55%), but do you guys have any thoughts re: what would be better alongside that 75% block chance - armor or evasion?

    This is an AS / crit / crit multiplier build, but damage is evenly split between spell damage and physical (physical on the lower side, actually, since I won't have a lot of +phys damage nodes), so it probably won't make sense for me to pick up VP since my leech won't be that great, which in turn means I should probably go life-based rather than ES based.

  10. #4010
    Hm. Thinking of a Ranger claw build now...

    +124 to Strength
    +502 to Dexterity
    +94 to Intelligence
    +103 to maximum Mana
    +175 to maximum Life
    Evasion Rating: 53
    310.4% increased Evasion Rating
    234% increased maximum Life
    35% increased Attack Speed
    20% increased Accuracy Rating
    40% increased maximum Mana
    30% increased Block and Stun Recovery
    60% increased Physical Weapon Damage while Dual Wielding
    80% increased Mana Regeneration Rate
    20% increased Mana Recovery from Flasks
    30% Chance to Avoid being Stunned
    3.5% of Life Regenerated per Second
    4% additional Chance to Block while Dual Wielding or holding a Shield
    28% increased Melee Physical Damage
    40% increased Physical Damage with One Handed Melee Weapons
    9% increased Attack Speed with One Handed Melee Weapons
    8% increased Movement Speed
    22% additional Chance to Block while Dual Wielding
    Doubles chance to Evade Projectile Attacks
    20% increased Attack Speed while Dual Wielding
    When Hit, 30% of Damage is taken from Mana before Life
    15% chance to Avoid Elemental Status Ailments
    56% increased Evasion Rating and Armour
    +22% to all Elemental Resistances
    30% Chance to Dodge Attacks. 50% less Armour and Energy Shield
    96% increased Physical Damage with Claws
    14% increased Attack Speed with Claws
    10% additional chance to Dodge Attacks
    +20 to Evasion Rating
    12% increased Projectile Damage
    12% of Physical Damage Dealt with Claws Leeched as Life
    Ignore all Movement Penalties from Armour
    +2 to Melee Weapon and Unarmed range
    +20 to maximum Energy Shield
    24% increased Accuracy Rating with Claws
    4% increased Physical Damage
    30% Chance to Dodge Spell Damage
    30% increased Lightning Damage with Weapons
    3% increased Cast Speed
    30% increased Critical Strike Chance
    +18.8% Energy Shield
    +24.8% increased Melee Physical Damage
    +1004 Accuracy Rating

    Build link is not working. But those are the stats.

  11. #4011
    See what I did to you fencers >:P

    Also dat evasion rating

    Well, ima level shadow now I guess. We will find out how my leech build works out O.O
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  12. #4012
    Quote Originally Posted by zito View Post
    See what I did to you fencers >:P
    That is a pure EV ranger, thus the high EV rating and Dex. Though I have played Claw EV Shadow, Claw ES Shadow, CI Dagger Witch, Dagger Shield Shadow and Claw Life Duelist before.

    Not too new for me considering I have also been playing Path of Exile since it's original closed beta. Maybe 2 years now? Real POE players did it in the Maelstrom of Chaos when all 3 classes began in the middle. :>

    I have a tendency to die in maps. #YOLOMELEE

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    Tried Nemesis for the first time this weekend. I made a trapper and I made it all the way to Kraityn Cruel at level 46 before he instantly killed me. That was partially my own fault for joining a group to do him, not having IR which resulted in me having 99 armor, and not being positioned properly away from him.

    After I died, I ran to him again on standard league to see if I could have killed him myself and I actually did without a problem. I ended up rerolling again and will build the same, but will have IR this time before I try something that risky.

  14. #4014
    Quote Originally Posted by Fencers View Post
    That is a pure EV ranger, thus the high EV rating and Dex. Though I have played Claw EV Shadow, Claw ES Shadow, CI Dagger Witch, Dagger Shield Shadow and Claw Life Duelist before.

    Not too new for me considering I have also been playing Path of Exile since it's original closed beta. Maybe 2 years now?

    I have a tendency to die in maps. #YOLOMELEE
    No I mean I got you in the urge, planted the seed that says "play claw builds.....play claw builds.... PLAY CLAW BUILDS"
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  15. #4015
    I found this video marvelously hilarious.



    Yesterday's Cutthroat PVP race. #1 ranked team ambushed by the 2nd place team in the Forest. Dual streams w/ commentary as the hilarity ensued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fencers View Post
    I found this video marvelously hilarious.



    Yesterday's Cutthroat PVP race. #1 ranked team ambushed by the 2nd place team in the Forest. Dual streams w/ commentary as the hilarity ensued.
    LOL that was great.

  17. #4017
    Anyone got a couple of support gems I can have on America Standard? Lesser Multiple Projectiles and Faster Projectiles. First one, I'm impatient... second can't be obtained by a witch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zito View Post
    blood rage? Though I mainly got it on my way to dervish. But I'm immune to chaos damage so blood rage is good.
    Are you using the blood dance?

  19. #4019
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    The Reave gem dropped for me today which seems like a really fun gem. Anyone got a good build around for Reave? Im thinking about going duelist with 2 one handed weapons and lots of attack speed but it seems like AoE notes would be good with Reave which the skill tree dosnt really support for that class. Is shadow or a whole other class / weapon combo better for it?

    EDIT: Templar/Witch seems to be the closets to get both the AoE passivs but Reave dosnt seem to be a gem for those classes imo

    EDIT EDIT: If you go straight for the AoE passives you can actually do it with the Duelist but you will miss a lot of important passivs
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  20. #4020
    Bah, lost my DW/EV Scion to those stupid dogs in Scepter. I got overconfident, then got desynced when I tried getting away while my pots were healing. Didn't make it. Was doing really well too. Ah well, I'll remake in a day or two, I just don't look forward to buying the uniques again.

    I dunno what it is, but I find DW/EV to be super fun. I didn't get my Scion as high as my Ranger before she croaked, and while I think she had a better early passive tree, her gem rewards are total garbage for this kind of build.

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