Is this griefing on Pvp servers?

[coldbear]

Attacking someone on a pvp server is never griefing.

If I'm being inconvenienced it's griefing.

If it's unequal levels it's griefing.

If the gear is really unequal it's griefing.

If I have mobs on me it's griefing.

If I have mobs on me and I'm at low health and my cooldowns aren't up it's griefing.

If I'm just trying to quest and this idiot won't leave me alone it's griefing.

If he's camping my corpse it's griefing.

If they're camping our corpses and the GY then it's griefing.

If I'm attacked in a city when I'm just trying to get stuff done it's griefing.

[Chonar]

I'd say only corpsecamping really counts as griefing, but my sense of honor is not the same as everyone else's.
Yes, honor. No, not the points. Yes, I'm an old-fashioned warrior.


Inconvenienced? It's war, mate.
Unequal levels? The rookie shouldn't win from the grizzled war veteran. Run.
Unequal gear? Get better.
Mobs on you? That just means your enemy waited for an opportune moment to strike.
Trying to quest? Then your enemy caught you offguard.
Attacked in your city? Defend it.

Corpsecamping? Dishonorable.
Corpse and GY camping? Double dishonorable.

[De Lupe]

Speaking as someone on a PvP server:

I would only count high level vs low level -> camping the low level... That IS griefing and should be reported as such. High kills the low and leaves? Annoying, but not griefing.

Anything other than that is fair game.

Attacking someone on a pvp server is never griefing. No

If I'm being inconvenienced it's griefing. No, PvP on a PvP server.

If it's unequal levels it's griefing. No, as long as they don't start camping.

If the gear is really unequal it's griefing. No, 85 = 85. Fair game.

If I have mobs on me it's griefing. No

If I have mobs on me and I'm at low health and my cooldowns aren't up it's griefing. No, They're an opportunist.

If I'm just trying to quest and this idiot won't leave me alone it's griefing. No, been on the bad end of that deal plenty of times. Still not griefing.

If he's camping my corpse it's griefing. Yes

If they're camping our corpses and the GY then it's griefing. Yes

If I'm attacked in a city when I'm just trying to get stuff done it's griefing. No, kills you while in your city? He's expanding his territory.

[Kralljin]

There's a difference between taking an, by some people considered unfair advantage, and griefing.

On a PvP Server you should expect that, but it happens way to rarely (lol open PvP) to expect it.

[coldbear]

Damn. Didn't expect people to call camping griefing. All you have to do is rez at the GY and fly away, or teleport out, or get in a queue for BGs or a dungeon or LFR so you can hearthstone in peace.

Bunch of crybabies that don't want to be inconvenienced and feel entitled to have everything their way.

"It's Blizzard's fault! They didn't accomodate me enough, my needs are important!"

[Deleted]

So you're crying about being bad, because you die all the time OP? Get a grip, and maybe leave that PvP server that you decided to play on without reading what they're about?

[De Lupe]

Damn. Didn't expect people to call camping griefing. All you have to do is rez at the GY and fly away, or teleport out, or get in a queue for BGs or a dungeon or LFR so you can hearthstone in peace.

Bunch of crybabies that don't want to be inconvenienced and feel entitled to have everything their way.

"It's Blizzard's fault! They didn't accomodate me enough, my needs are important!"

I feel no sense of entitlement... I earn everything I earn or I don't earn it.

Corpse camping is pathetic. If you can't kill them at their full strength, then you don't deserve to kill them.

[DSRilk]

Any time you're making it so that a person cannot play, that's griefing. Corpse camping at a GY with uneven levels, and potentially corpse camping anywhere depending on the circumstances, are the only ones that really apply imo, as there's no way to get back into the game to play. The rest are irritating, and some are only done by bullies or people who really aren't good enough to engage in a fair fight, but them's the brakes.

[Deleted]

In my opinion, it's not griefing until some high(er) level character continues to kill a low(er) level character for an extended period of time. Once or twice? Fine. Deliberately camping? That's griefing, but not necessarily something terrible. Camping graveyards? Go DIAF, please

Additionally, I do think it's at least dishonorable to keep bothering someone who's just trying to get quests done. If the other party isn't up for it, leave him/her alone when you notice he/she's not fighting back. I wouldn't count that as griefing though. When it's camping, that's griefing.

[Crackleslap]

No to all.

[Deleted]

Speaking as someone on a PvP server:

I would only count high level vs low level -> camping the low level... That IS griefing and should be reported as such. High kills the low and leaves? Annoying, but not griefing.

Anything other than that is fair game.

I believe Blizzard has responded to this question several times that even if a high level camps a low level, it is still not griefing. On a PvP server camping other people is fair game, you take this risk by rolling on a PvP server. I have played in PvP servers ever since Vanilla and as such I have both been camped and camped other players, quite a lot. I see nothing wrong with it, if you feel it gets out of hand either log off and do something else for a while so they grow bored and leave, or call for a friend to help you out.

The only incident I have heard of when Blizzard actually went in, was when a whole guild had set their eyes on one single player, they camped his corpse and had full control of the area, along with the nearest graveyards if he were to ress there. The camping went on for days whenever he would log on, and all Blizzard did was move him to a capital city. No banns or anything, camping is not griefing.

[Axaruz0]

Only repeatedly camping a low level is what I consider griefing.

[Wozarib]

Attacking someone on a pvp server is never griefing.

I voted this, everything else is fine for me on a PVP server.

[Chonar]

Damn. Didn't expect people to call camping griefing. All you have to do is rez at the GY and fly away, or teleport out, or get in a queue for BGs or a dungeon or LFR so you can hearthstone in peace.

Bunch of crybabies that don't want to be inconvenienced and feel entitled to have everything their way.

"It's Blizzard's fault! They didn't accomodate me enough, my needs are important!"

... I prefer my own reasoning. A sense of honor. Maybe I'd be more at home on a PVP-RP server instead?
Maybe I should state that I answered in the form of "would I do this" rather than "would I QQ if this had been done to me".

[Renwin]

Maybe corpse camping someone character to the point of being unplayable. Even then, not that many PvP'ers do that anymore. Aside from that, these scenarios are not griefting on a PvP server.

[Demetrion]

Attacking someone on a pvp server is never griefing. Never a griefing.

If I'm being inconvenienced it's griefing. Never a griefing.

If it's unequal levels it's griefing. Never a griefing.

If the gear is really unequal it's griefing. Never a griefing.

If I have mobs on me it's griefing. Never a griefing.

If I have mobs on me and I'm at low health and my cooldowns aren't up it's griefing. Never a griefing.

If I'm just trying to quest and this idiot won't leave me alone it's griefing. Never a griefing.

If he's camping my corpse it's griefing. Never a griefing.

If they're camping our corpses and the GY then it's griefing. Never a griefing.

If I'm attacked in a city when I'm just trying to get stuff done it's griefing. Never a griefing.

Nothing of what you have stated is a griefing. PVP server means PLAYER VERSUS PLAYER which means you need to be ready to get attacked always.

No exceptions!

You are leveling an alt, i'll kill you and camp you if I'm into it even if your alt is 70 lvls lower than you, you're a player so am I. You have logged to check your auctions, I will kill you, you are in your city you have your guards, if you ca't defend yourself with them, not my problem. You have mobs on you, sure thing you're dead if I'm near. You're low on health and no cooldowns? Even better.

You rolled on a pvp server for a reason. I don't care if your friends play there so you joined for them. You knew the risks now deal with them. Whoever reports players to GM-s because they are being ganked should just uninstall the game.

I'd say only corpsecamping really counts as griefing, but my sense of honor is not the same as everyone else's.
Yes, honor. No, not the points. Yes, I'm an old-fashioned warrior.


Inconvenienced? It's war, mate.
Unequal levels? The rookie shouldn't win from the grizzled war veteran. Run.
Unequal gear? Get better.
Mobs on you? That just means your enemy waited for an opportune moment to strike.
Trying to quest? Then your enemy caught you offguard.
Attacked in your city? Defend it.


Corpsecamping? Dishonorable.
Corpse and GY camping? Double dishonorable.

You summed it pretty well.

[Blackmist]

Tbh, if you roll on a PvP server in a game like WoW, you just have to accept that sometimes you're going to be "griefed".

To prevent it, you'd have to make concessions on PvP realms that corpse campers would oppose. Give anyone in a GY a buff that means they can't be attacked (or attack others). GY respawns that don't trigger the res sickness debuff (although I'd like to see that added on all realms).

Griefing is just players getting stronger feedback from annoying people than the game can give them through normal play.

You could even turn it into a subgame: How about a debuff for people attacking low level players that makes them show up on the zone map and are unable to stealth or fly? You could also do that for people killing the same person twice without the victim initiating combat. You could then be worth more points to an enemy player. Add achievements for killing people with the debuff. People would show up just to kill you. You want feedback? You'd get it...

[Keh]

You are leveling an alt, i'll kill you and camp you if I'm into it even if your alt is 70 lvls lower than you, you're a player so am I. You have logged to check your auctions, I will kill you, you are in your city you have your guards, if you ca't defend yourself with them, not my problem. You have mobs on you, sure thing you're dead if I'm near. You're low on health and no cooldowns? Even better.

You rolled on a pvp server for a reason. I don't care if your friends play there so you joined for them. You knew the risks now deal with them. Whoever reports players to GM-s because they are being ganked should just uninstall the game.

I am willing to bet you are one of those guys in a pvp guild who do nothing without your 5-10 friends nearby or witnessing your 'skills' / hearing about them on Vent/Skype etc.

And to answer the poll - your options in the poll are all reasons we have separate PvP servers in the first place - to ALLOW what you are classing as griefing.

[ComputerNerd]

Attacking someone who you know cannot fight back fairly is at the very least making you an ass.
Acceptable in the eyes of blizzard maybe, but it does not change what you are.
If it is persistent then yes I would call it griefing.
PvP realms may allow that sort of behaviour, but it is a coward who hides behind the rules in the name of pvp.

[Deleted]

Is it griefing? no.

Is it sad a pathetic? probably.