Storm legion comes to fast

[Rakash]

I think storm legion is coming to fast. Its 2 months to release and there is NO word of a beta.
I don't think they will find all the bugs them self and if they don't get a beta there will be a lot of bugs.

Anyone else worried ?

[Nobleshield]

I trust Trion. If it was Blizzard then I'd be worried, but Trion is pretty good about these things.

[Rakash]

They are good at pushing content yes.
But they usually are pretty buggy.

[Antipathy]

They are good at pushing content yes.
But they usually are pretty buggy.

We had a discussion about this in another thread. I'd like to hear what you think is buggy in Trion's releases.

[RoninaThorstone]

We had a discussion about this in another thread. I'd like to hear what you think is buggy in Trion's releases.

I think someone is feeling like their games expansion doesn't measure up so they want to rain on your parade.

:P

[Fencers]

Not worried. Trion's support and development are pretty top notch. They address most bugs very quickly. I am sure there will be bugs like any other game. All the same, I have more confidence in Trion's ability to adjust quickly above any other MMO developer based on their track record.

[Puremallace]

I trust Trion. If it was Blizzard then I'd be worried, but Trion is pretty good about these things.

Blizzard actually has a decent rep for releasing quality content. Now this does have to do with the fact shit sits on the pts for upwards for 4+ months and has some of the best pts testers in the world submitting bug reports.

Trion seems pretty confident, but yeah I am worried as shit I bought into a bugged expansion. It does bother me with this secrecy of theirs.

[Antipathy]

I think someone is feeling like their games expansion doesn't measure up so they want to rain on your parade.

:P

Almost feels like systematic warfare. you know all those "its a clone of X MMO" and "it feels too much like X MMO" Arguments? they're now coupled with "its buggy" arguments. Only 40 - 50 players in the world's top 2 guilds can make the argument that Akylios was "broken" - I use the term sparingly.

I've been playing since last November and I've only ever had one quest bug out on me (the Dark Saga epic quest line), and their in game GM's fixed it in less than 10 mins.

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Blizzard actually has a decent rep for releasing quality content. Now this does have to do with the fact shit sits on the pts for upwards for 4+ months and has some of the best pts testers in the world submitting bug reports.

Trion seems pretty confident, but yeah I am worried as shit I bought into a bugged expansion. It does bother me with this secrecy of theirs.

Oh Ye of little faith!!! I'd wager Beta for SL would be made ready after 1.10 goes live (this Wed) by a maximum of one week. then you can test it to your heart's content!

[Ferbster]

I'm going to have to agree with OP, announcing an expansion and not hearing a thing about a beta does scare me. But on the other hand, there could of been a internal beta for Storm Legion, kinda somewhat what Blizzard did with the Battle for Theramore scenario, they tested it internally on purpose so nothing is leaked...

But yes, an expansion announcement with out any sound of a beta sounds like a bad mistake on any successful game company, but that's just me imo

[RoninaThorstone]

I remember at pax they said that they were going to have SL on the PTR soon. So, probably right after monster mash goes live.

[Kiry]

Before the RD annoucement, I fully expected this game to be annouced in Dec/Jan. I guess they want to hit the Xmas crowd. I dont know, based on the info I heard at Pax, and what has been released thus far....feels like a Dec/Jan game. But, Trion is a good group of people, I just couldn't get into the game to sub more than 2-3 months at a time, then go away for awhile, then come back. lol

[Acquiesce of Telara]

Okay, let's do it. Let's talk about buggy content.

What exactly is everyone worried about? Let's stop with the "omg no time to test" generalities and get specific. What is not going to be tested? Are you worried about raid content? Quests? Dungeons? What exactly are we worried about in regards to bugs?

Quests: How much trouble could these possibly be? From my limited understanding, there's more dynamic and IA quests than old-style quest hubs this time around. Adjustments will be made as they're being reported. EVERYONE who touches the SL PTR will deal with questing. It's one of the easiest things to fix.

Dungeons: 7 dungeons, 2 difficulties - What's the problem? Trion gets good tuning to start, makes minor adjustments as they go. Things won't be outright broken, and changes will be made for the next year. Always happens as gear, skills and outcry evolve. All it takes is a change to one soul's stats to throw off Dungeon balance.

Tradeskills: Worst case scenario, small gaps in the ease of leveling profs.

Conquest: A year of testing won't change the fact adjustments will need to be made as the game progresses. It's the nature of PvP.

New Souls: They've been screwing around with these for awhile. There's no perfection, things will obviously be nerfed and buffed endlessly, regardless of being on PTR.

Raids: 3 raids. Exploits will be coveted, not reported, and it'll take 2-4 weeks after SL release before the majority of guilds are raiding, let alone bitching over problems. The only guilds truly qualified to comment on potential issues are the same ones who will be testing them for the majority of their time on the PTR.

Dimensions: Place whatever you want, wherever you want. They only need to ensure their editor works properly, otherwise it's just implementing blank slate properties.

Art & Design: Yeah, not a concern.

Blizzard's MoP has been on the PTR for like 6 months and there are still a thousand adjustments being made with each build. In patch 5.1 there will be another hundred adjustments being made to class skills. It's neverending, and all these skill adjustments result in the need to rebalance more content. It's a closed cycle that gets screwed up because of the way a single character swings their weapon. No amount of PTR testing can remove the evolution of gameplay based on skills, talents, gear and theorycraft.

Rift was the closest thing to a flawless release most MMO gamers have ever seen. Their first beta weekend was treated internally as their first day of official release. They've learned a ton over the last 1.5 years, I give them the benefit of the doubt. Remember this: Trion isn't a publicly traded company; they don't have to meet quarterly numbers and impress the corporate suits. There is NO reason to call for a November release unless they're quite certain they're ready for it. They haven't suddenly decided quality is a sign of weakness. The fact they aren't holding off till closer to Christmas tells me they're much more confident for release than anyone gives them credit for.

Trion only has a name for itself because of the quality of their releases and their attitude toward player satisfaction. Would they really risk throwing it all away just to beat... absolutely no other games to market?

[Deleted]

I trust Trion 100%.
In fact it's the only gaming company today that I trust.

[Rakash]

Stop talking like i am saying this is going to be a complete fail and it it will rain fire in the sky.
What i am worried most about is raiding content. Because without no beta testing on it there will be a lot of bugs Trion won't find which will result in a lot of annoying wipes and a lot of frustration. And don't say "how much problem could this be ? and whats the problem ?" There can be A LOT of problems if don't get testing. Wipes because the boss just disappears or a quest won't work and you have to run 20 miles to start another chain is very frustration.
Beta testing is VERY important and i think its coming to soon.

[Fencers]

There have been raid bugs even with testing. It's gonna happen. Concern over bugs isn't too big when Trion have a history of addressing them rather quickly. I think that is what a lot of folks here are saying essentially.

[Ighox]

They've probably had an alpha running for a while just as they had with the original Rift, the alpha started like half a year before the beta weekends.

[Rakash]

There have been raid bugs even with testing. It's gonna happen. Concern over bugs isn't too big when Trion have a history of addressing them rather quickly. I think that is what a lot of folks here are saying essentially.

So you did not play greenscale ?

[Porimlys]

I think someone is feeling like their games expansion doesn't measure up so they want to rain on your parade.

:P

Give me a break, not everything boils down to some petty game vs game conflict.

[Acquiesce of Telara]

Stop talking like i am saying this is going to be a complete fail and it it will rain fire in the sky.
What i am worried most about is raiding content. Because without no beta testing on it there will be a lot of bugs Trion won't find which will result in a lot of annoying wipes and a lot of frustration. And don't say "how much problem could this be ? and whats the problem ?" There can be A LOT of problems if don't get testing. Wipes because the boss just disappears or a quest won't work and you have to run 20 miles to start another chain is very frustration.
Beta testing is VERY important and i think its coming to soon.

Rakash, it's not just a matter of your post. There have been a few Sky is Falling posts about delayed beta and ultimate fail on Trion's part. Your thread is just a good dumping ground for getting the arguments and discussions out of the way.

Trion implement hotfixes in the LIVE game when the color of a rock is off. There's no reason to doubt they can't patch hundreds of minor or serious issues within a matter of minutes once players hit the PTR.

Rift isn't built like other popular MMOs. It's quite compartmentalized, both in-game and in terms of developmental testing. Re-coloring a rock isn't going to disable player inventory.

The PTR will be available soon, and problems that arise will be addressed. That Trion doesn't need a 6 month beta and are ready to release it earlier than is financially necessary, well before prominent patches from the competition, is a pretty good sign the worst of the kinks are already accounted for.

[Deleted]

I don't get this, the beta is not even out yet so why worry about bugs? It could be almost bug free for all we know.