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http://youtu.be/x3ejO7Nssj8 7:20+ "Alliance remaining super power", clearly blizz favor horde too much, that they made alliance the super power
Absolutely none. I can't get in I don't have the time to farm gear for it. JP sucks such balls that I can't get in that way, by the time I'm done daily quests I have no time left for anything else and I'm stuck subject to the rng of dungeons. I MAY MAY MAY be lucky enough to hit 463 by next week if I get lucky and have sometime this weekend to farm dungeons and try out lfr. Their going to nerf the ilvl on it I read somewhere so that should help. Never the less it remains a huge and total cock block.
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Your right I don't like it. I am interested in new types of things but I recognize that isn't Blizzard. The things I do like about Warcraft I don't feel I've gotten enough of and instead were getting more of the thigns I dislike. It's fine that others like them, I never argued against that. More power to them. Have at it. They seem to think dailies are FUN. My suspicion is that this isn't a concept shared by the majority of the community but never the less alright build whatever you want. They will of course adjust things accordingly I feel after feedback from users.
Last edited by Glorious Leader; 2012-10-05 at 05:42 PM.
"...money's most powerful ability is to allow bad people to continue doing bad things at the expense of those who don't have it."
Don't feel bad I'm still sitting on a 446 ilvl.
If you don't like dailies don't do them just farm the dungeons. Even doing dailies myself I find i'm getting upgrades faster in lfd.
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Try again they never announce sales 48h after release. It was always a week later.
Not to mention the press release for MOP was BEFORE china release.
Last edited by Orange Joe; 2012-10-05 at 05:46 PM.
MMO-Champ the place where calling out trolls get you into more trouble than trolling.
from what I have seen the loot in dungeons isn't as good as the gear that can be bought with valor which rep is needed for, the only way to get rep is to do dailies (which i hate), yes of course the raid gear is just as good if not better but what help am I going to be if others are geared with the rep gear and I am stuck in my 463 dungeon gear??
Dailies to me are a chore, boring and tedious. They are also solo content, i don't want to have to do them to keep up with everyone else. I just think it would be more fair if Blizz gave us a choice to gain rep with either dailies or by doing HC dungeons.
It gets harder and harder to get upgrades from lfd as you fill more and more pieces in. In fact at one point it just becomes vastly easier to simply just leave the dungeon after the boss you need doesn't drop your shit. I mean look it dude if you don't do dailies then what is vp for? It's worthless. The gear has to be taken out of the rep man. They made it easier which is good but they need to just cut the foreplay and take rep out of it entirely. Keep the cosmetic stuff. That's awesome. Pets, mounts, vanity stuff. Go for it.
I don't want to do dailies but it's right their in front of me and it's ceased becoming optional because by comparison to almost everything else I can do the reward is just to good for doing it. If the reward was equally as good in dungeons well fuck dailies then.
463 basically means you have to have every piece of gear from dungeons. Seriously every slot has to be filled from dungeons. Direbrew will be gone next week so that won't be an option long term. Youll be left with dailies , running the normal raid to run lfr, or farming crafting gear. The second option is counter intuitive and really that point you'll be getting better gear anyway. Farming crafting gear is okay assuming you have the money and the time and the effort to get it and then have it replaced as soon as you jump in lfr. So were back to running dailies to spend valor gear. Justice points need to be fixed and valor gear needs to be taken away from rep vendors. Simple fix. Then I will never touch dailies.
I can't really argue this point myself. I have never once felt like I had to do something to progress (aside from raids but those I chose to do anyways. I've never had a problem in the guilds I've been in telling me I had to do dailies to keep up. I was always able to gear up the way I wanted.
Even now the only reason I am doing dailies is for the coins. Not the rep gear.
MMO-Champ the place where calling out trolls get you into more trouble than trolling.
then I will never have any use for valor points then...I know I am shooting myself in the foot by not doing them and it's my own fault that I will fall way behind but if this is the permanent way now to purchase upgrades then I will quit. Dailies will never be fun for me and if you look on the offcial forums many others as well.
Plus i have heard negative things about the loot system in LFR in MoP, will take me a hell of a long time to gear up if what I hear is true. All of this combined won't be very fun...
It's also BAD for making gold. I make way more money farming mats. Ghost Iron ore is EVERYWHERE. I sell it for 300g a stack of bars. Hell even doing the regular lvling quests makes more money than dailies. At lvl 90 the regular lvling quests reward their XP as gold and you make CASH MONEY doing it that way.
You remember running in WOTLK? How you sometimes had 4 versions of the same raid to run? You remember everyone (including so many people on this forum) praising Blizzard for moving to a single raid lock out because they felt forced they had to run every version of the dungeon they can? Well then you know why I feel the same way about dailies.
I know not everyone keeps up with everything wow related. But they stated this time around they wanted justice and valor points to fill in those slots you just couldn't get to drop in dingeons/raids. Not to be filling every slot with them before you go in.
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I meant these coins http://www.wowhead.com/currency=697 not gold sorry.
Yes i remember wotlk. there was only 1 raid with 4 options. ToC was release as the starter to what we have now. before that ulduar/naxx was only 10/25 and icc brought about shareed heroic/normal lockouts.
Last edited by Orange Joe; 2012-10-05 at 05:59 PM.
MMO-Champ the place where calling out trolls get you into more trouble than trolling.
That would make sense if lfr wasn't 463. They announced their going to nerf it 460 but it's still mindless. It basically means look your fucked. Accept rng, accept ninja looting and accept people leaving the groups when the bosses you need gear from don't drop anything. JP gear has NEVER been about filling slots. It was and always SHOULD be a method to combat RNG and aid in progressive gearing of ones toon. Not filling in slots. Dude you know who filles in slots? THe shitty green vendors in the zones you can buy gear from. That's retarded, I read that to from Blizzard I couldn't believe it.
Furthermore it NEVER filled in every slot before I went in. I use all kinds of dungeon drops. At one point it was in healthy balance, it's so fucked up now it's not even funny.
4.0 - Revamped Old World, 2 Races, 5 levels.
4.1 - Two revamped old dungeons.
5.0 - New race, new class, new continent, 5 levels, pet battles, 6(?) scenarios, 9 challenge modes.
5.1 - New daily hubs, new PvE "arena-esque" gameplay, item upgrades, pet upgrades...
Yep, less content.
FFXIV - Maduin (Dynamis DC)
And Blizzard has more to do. You've got Heroics, scenarios, dailies, new battlegrounds, raids including LFR for those who didn't in the past, pet battles, challenge modes. That's more than past expansions have offered up front, yet people are acting like dailies is the only thing implemented.
More dungeons? Yeah, I'm going to wait and see on this one. Think about it this way; you put in 13 dungeons. End of the first two months people are geared and don't have reason to go back, particularly if LFR, dailies, challenge modes, scenarios are offering valor points for less time input. Alternatively, you could release 6 dungeons, 2 in a patch, 3 in a patch, 2 in a patch. If Blizz is planning that remains to be seen.
More gear. Yeah, I don't think make more armor is what people asked for as content. I'm pretty sure an extra 3 sets would be far more underwhelming than more dailies.
More pets the battle....there's plenty at the start.
More zones, sure. More raids? Sure. Here's the thing. The expectations are unrealistic. Blizzard's raids and encounters aren't something that you should expect to have spit out on a monthly basis. If we were still in the EverQuest days of tank n spank don't stand in shit for every encounter, then we could. I'll agree we should expect more than Cataclysm delivered, though. Wrath had Ulduar, Toc, and ICC. Large, small, large in its patches. I think that's a fair expectation for an expansion.
The daily quest chains are almost like new zones. As you progress through them, you get more story with a conclusion at exalted. Why people have concluded +20, +30, +40 strength equates to the exclusive concept of character progression is beyond me. Just stacking bigger numbers on armor isn't the only way to expand an MMO, raids are the exclusive feature that MMOs exist for. And yes, that's what I feel like I hear the most.
More raids, new raids, more raids, no more leveling, no more questing, no dailies, raid, raid, raid. That's what I see from a multitude of complaints. And yes, I'm serious, but no, I'm not specifically directing that observation to you.
So just out of curiosity....are you fully cleared on raids? Armory's fully geared head to toe in raid epics, right?
Edit: Okay, not head to toe, but the items that you can get from raids so far? My understanding was the valor gear wasn't a necessity to get into opening raids. You CAN start without 'em, right?
Maybe they should have gone back to BC method. Last boss drops a badge in heroics. Gather badges, buy loot.
Last edited by Faroth; 2012-10-05 at 06:33 PM.
LOL 2.7 mill sold in first week and cata sold 3.3 in the first DAY.
Bye bye wow
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