Why doesn't DK's have any dps (CD) talents?

[Wrien]

Ecspesielly frost, all we have is our main damaging skills, Obli, FS, HB. All other classes i can think of got some dps-skills from their talents, but we don't.

All we use is Obliterate, FS and HB... There's no CD-skills which deals damage.
Remorseless Winter and Desecrated Ground used to deal damage in early beta. Make them deal damage again could be a solution (Gorefiend's Grasp too)
I think tier 1 is nearly useless. Plague leech is a joke and Rolling blood is just another version of pestilence. Unholy Blight could have been baseline for all DK's.

What they could have done:
Remove tier 1, make Unholy blight a baseline
Move tier 2 where tier 1 used to be, tier 3 where tier 2 used to be, tier 4 where tier 4 used to be, tier 5 where tier 4 used to be. Add a new tier 5. Add three new dps skills:

For example:

Lich Kings' rage (like Lich King in Wotlk cinematic, just witout frostwyrm)
2 min CD
1 UH rune/ 1 frost rune
Strikes your weapon in the ground, unleashing a wave that deals x amount of shadowfrost damage to anything in it's patch, freezing them in their place for 2 sec.

Unleash Runeblade (arcane explosions, DK style)
1.5 min CD.
1 unholy rune
Unleases your runeblade. Deal x shadowfrost damage to all enemies within 15 yards, knocking them down.

Bone Spikes (like lord marrowgaw)
1,5 min CD.
40 RP
Summons spikes beneth 5 enemies within 15 yards. Deals x physical damage to all afflicted targets, slowing their movement speed by 50% for 5 sec.

Would look like this:



Not sure about the names tho:P

[drivertz]

Hello, my name is Pillar of Frost.

NOTE: Seriously Wrien. I only see QQ'ing topics from u. You cry so much!

[Keiyra]

You have Pillar of Frost, Ghoul, Army of the Dead all as dps CD's as frost. (and to some extent empower rune weapon too)

Not every class has to get a CD in their talents, some have them for free in their specs instead, like DK's.

[tru]

Blizzard specifically stated that " we do not want to have to base dk rotations around the end talents that do damage" so look at it like a lazy cop out on their part. we got the same old s*** to smash for another 2 years or more. dk is the new old. might as well get use to it
not saying were not pushing competitive numbers but our tools have been tuned for more survival and crowd control

[Deleted]

Pillar of frost / Unholy frenzy.

I'd rather have a raid cooldown for progression ... especially when tanking.

[Darsithis]

Either spec has a major cooldown, really better ones that most. We get 20% of our strength boosted every minutes, and it dynamically changes from procs of Fallen Crusader or potions. Yeah, I'm quite happy the way we are.

[Schizoide]

I wouldn't say I'm completely happy with frost's cooldowns; I miss the old Blood Tap. But yeah PoF is unchanged and still great.

[Varyk]

You mean like Plague Leech?

[Deleted]

They do have dps cooldowns. Frost has Pillar of Frost and unholy has Frenzy and also Gargoyle.

[Mesovr]

You mean like Plague Leech?

Yea just like Plague Leech best dps cooldown in game atm.

[Chireru93]

your problem is that you're frost expecting cds. frost is a proc-oriented spec and unholy is cd-oriented. if you want heavy cd useage go unholy.

Edit: just for clarification, excluding summon ghoul and army and empower rune weapon...

frost - Pillar of Frost

Unholy - Unholy Frenzy, Gargoyle, Dark Transformation (not a "cd" but having to restack 5 stacks of death coil after it falls off can take more than 5 seconds).

[Mandible]

I want unleash runeblade just due to the icon.

[Playintrafic]

Empower rune weapon, Might of the Frozen Wastes, Ghoul, Control Undead (where applicable), army, outbreak, need I go on? We got plenty of dps cds.

[CookieEater]

Lich Kings' rage (like Lich King in Wotlk cinematic, just witout frostwyrm)
2 min CD
1 UH rune/ 1 frost rune
Strikes your weapon in the ground, unleashing a wave that deals x amount of shadowfrost damage to anything in it's patch, freezing them in their place for 2 sec.

You mean... Quake. The attack he uses to shatter part of the Frozen Throne during the transition phase.

[Varyk]

Yea just like Plague Leech best dps cooldown in game atm.

Not sure if being sarcastic? It's actually insanely good. Especially if you have Symbiosis.

[Leviatharan]

Alright, I'm going to ignore the obvious commentary as far as the (inherently false) implications that Unholy and Frost lack any damage CDs at all.

The OP actually has a point that some of us have been trying to push throughout Beta: DKs are probably the class with the most outright confused talent tree.

Most classes run by a formula of 1 Mobility tier, 1 Crowd-Control tier, two Survival tiers, a tier dedicated to performance-enhancing AoE/Damage/Healing spells and a tier dedicated to unique class mechanics or resource regeneration.
There are obvious exceptions (Shamans fuse their Mobility/CC tiers, Mages fuse their Resource/CD tiers, etc.), but DKs are the class with the greatest divergence from this- the two Survival tiers are a constant, but then we have two tiers that aren't entirely dedicated to either Mobility or Crowd-Control (ironically, the mix produces one Gap-closer and still leaves us without a versatile PVE-friendly CC), and two tiers dedicated to resource regeneration/conservation.

[Raeion]

just one thing , Lich King's rage is wrong ... it should be LichKing's Wrath ! now that i like !

[Rainec]

I have no complaints, I like our short cd, low to med power spells. Perhaps I just hate the long cd spells on other classes.

[Kraeth]

Pillar of Frost is a monster of a cooldown. Especially with 4pc. We really don't need any more cooldowns.

I know you mean a skill with say, a 10 sec cooldown that deals lots of dmg and does something neat. Personally I think our toolbox is just fine right now.

[flashur]

You mean like Plague Leech?

I've seen on EJ that Plague Leech is meant to be a DPS increase, but I don't understand how it is worth 3k DPS for 2H.

I'm confused by how Plague Leech grants a DPS increase every thirty seconds. You gain a death rune, sure, but unless you have a rime proc you still have to spend a frost/death rune on applying frost fever again. Whilst this might be the case occasionally, it surely won't be there every minute when Outbreak is on cooldown.

The only guaranteed benefit I can see is every 60 seconds by using it before using Outbreak. Unless you're very lucky with rime procs at the end of the disease duration, you're spending two runes to apply diseases again, which surely doesn't grant any DPS increase. Unless you hold a rime proc for a while, but then that would be a DPS loss as you're wasting further potential rime procs.