[Megathread] Star Citizen

[MrAnderson]

A game can be officially released while unfinished/broken (hello day 1 patches) just like a game can be in alpha/early access and be released, playable while being unfinished.

Different methods of development (traditional-closed / crowdfunded-open) and different genres of games can imply different business models (Traditional 1 copy + DLC's vs Games-as-a-Service (GaaS) each that resolve around different lines of judgment and understanding.

Shouldn't be that hard if you contextualize everything. Understandably it might be difficult for those who just parachute into the thread without context but not impossible.

Maybe if they spent more time reading and understanding the intricacies of game development instead of creating new accounts to evade bans (What's the count Myobi? Reached the handful already?) and blindly hate on a video-game things would be easier to accept reality. Virtual Reality!

[Codexian]

Shouldn't be that hard if you contextualize everything. Understandably it might be difficult for those who just parachute into the thread without context but not impossible.

Salt aside… if contextualizing isn’t that hard, then why the constant need to correct people whenever they state that Star Citizen isn’t released yet? I did enjoyed the part where you add a video titled: EAT THIS ELITE DANGEROUS!; right right after accusing a random dude in the internet of hating on video games, but please go on, I’ll just grab some popcorn and watch it right away.

[Easo]

Anderson, you could at least pretend to not ignore that post instead of trying to avoid why you have changed your answer about release every other post.

The latest graphics are in the alpha PU, if you choose to ignore that you are just an idiot, we have current gameplay of the graphics but you are making comments on years old gameplay, they are not two completely different games, they share pretty much everything so the graphics are the same in SQ42 as there are in the PU. The game has a solid art style and the graphics will still look great in 10 years even if they didnt get improved upon.

I don't care about the multiplayer alpha, I want to know about SQ42. You just making your guesses into "facts", again. Meanwhile we don't have new SQ42 stuff, so we judge only by what we have and none of that is new.

[kenn9530]

Anderson, you could at least pretend to not ignore that post instead of trying to avoid why you have changed your answer about release every other post.



I don't care about the multiplayer alpha, I want to know about SQ42. You just making your guesses into "facts", again. Meanwhile we don't have new SQ42 stuff, so we judge only by what we have and none of that is new.

SQ42 uses all the same graphics that the PU uses, im not making any guess at all, they have already said we are not getting anything SQ42 related updates bar the emails everyone gets, the graphics SQ42 will use is equal or better to what the alpha PU uses, that is an actual fact since everything between the games is shared.

Just like the faces/character models have gone through many updates in the fast few years, everything gets brought up to the approriate standard.

[Easo]

SQ42 uses all the same graphics that the PU uses, im not making any guess at all, they have already said we are not getting anything SQ42 related updates bar the emails everyone gets, the graphics SQ42 will use is equal or better to what the alpha PU uses, that is an actual fact since everything between the games is shared.

They have been saying a lot of things as evidenced again and again by this thread. We don't know the state of the game, thus we AND YOU can only guess. You can assume, but that is not a fact.

[Kyanion]

Shouldn't be that hard if you contextualize everything.

Dude you have flip flopped so many times to suit your agenda it is funny reading those posts of yours that were thrown up a few posts prior to this one. The game is not released if it suits your needs better or it is released since 2014 if that fits the agenda you have at the time. You are so dishonest and/or blind when it comes to SC it is baffling to me.

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You can assume, but that is not a fact.

Opinions = facts if it supports the CIG defense/agenda. We're just wrong and we have to accept it.

[kenn9530]

They have been saying a lot of things as evidenced again and again by this thread. We don't know the state of the game, thus we AND YOU can only guess. You can assume, but that is not a fact.

Dont need to guess its a simple fact SQ42 will come and both games will be the same graphics level, only an idiot would assume otherwise.

[Kyanion]

Dont need to guess its a simple fact SQ42 will come and both games will be the same graphics level, only an idiot would assume otherwise.

Dude do you not understand what a fact is? That is an opinion you are sharing. SQ42 is not a sure thing. It is not like the sun rising each fucking day. Both games will be the same graphics level? Will they? They aren't both out so WE DON'T KNOW and you sure as fuck don't know. And then you label other people as idiots for doubting your 'FACT'. Jesus.

[Mehrunes]

Should they add another 2-3 years (minimum) onto the development timeline for fishing and underwater exploration or something?

Why not? At their pace of development it'll take them circa five centuries to develop all the bloat they promised, so what's an extra 2-3 years.

[Proskill]

[Rennadrel]

Dude do you not understand what a fact is? That is an opinion you are sharing. SQ42 is not a sure thing. It is not like the sun rising each fucking day. Both games will be the same graphics level? Will they? They aren't both out so WE DON'T KNOW and you sure as fuck don't know. And then you label other people as idiots for doubting your 'FACT'. Jesus.

At this rate it's probably faster to develop SQ42 in Unreal Engine 5 because their CryEngine version is so hilariously dated now and the work would take half the time they've already sunk into making it, assuming they have done anything with it. Honestly, that's even the route I would have taken a few years ago were I Chris Roberts, but considering how it's been all quiet from CIG as far as any actual tangible evidence that the game is getting worked on, I doubt he has the sense to actually do what is right.

[Majestic12]

A game can be officially released while unfinished/broken (hello day 1 patches) just like a game can be in alpha/early access and be released, playable while being unfinished.

No. Just... no.

MrAnderson, a game that is alpha/early access is not released by definition.

In fact, I'll show you the Wiki section here on it:

Early access, also known as early funding, alpha access, alpha founding, or paid alpha, is a funding model in the video game industry by which consumers can purchase and play a game in the various pre-release development cycles, such as pre-alpha, alpha, and/or beta, while the developer is able to use those funds to continue further development on the game.

Your definition of release is homebrew at best. Alpha, and Star Citizen is still in pre-release. Anyone with a shred of honesty in their being will acknowledge this.

Stop trying to make the progress and the state of the game sound better than what it is.

[Proskill]

well, its released to the public so...

[Easo]

Dont need to guess its a simple fact SQ42 will come and both games will be the same graphics level, only an idiot would assume otherwise.

Let me repeat what Kyanion said - Do you know what a FACT is?

Opinions = facts if it supports the CIG defense/agenda. We're just wrong and we have to accept it.

Truly, we are just idiots after all

[Kyanion]

No. Just... no.

MrAnderson, a game that is alpha/early access is not released by definition.

Don't worry he'll now switch back to the game not being released as he has been quoted doing both. His defense switches to whatever SC needs at the time.

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Truly, we are just idiots after all

Yes we're the dishonest idiots here. SC is infallible and is released/not released (choose one) and SQ42 is 100% for sure coming, it will have the same graphics level and features and puppies and kitties will be given out as the game comes down from on high to raise all of us dishonest losers from the dregs of society to elevate us to the enlightened status of being worthy to bask in the glow of this game. Well, when it releases/doesn't release that is, in 2014...err 2015...err 2021...err 2022? No? 2027?

[kenn9530]

Let me repeat what Kyanion said - Do you know what a FACT is?



Truly, we are just idiots after all

You obviously dont have a single clue what a fact is, they are making SQ42 and an MMO that is a fact, its not an opinion so stop talking complete BS.

If you pay attention to anything kyanion says you dont have any intelligence.

[Kyanion]

You obviously dont have a single clue what a fact is, they are making SQ42 and an MMO that is a fact, its not an opinion so stop talking complete BS.

Dont need to guess its a simple fact SQ42 will come and both games will be the same graphics level, only an idiot would assume otherwise.

SQ42 uses all the same graphics that the PU uses, im not making any guess at all, they have already said we are not getting anything SQ42 related updates bar the emails everyone gets, the graphics SQ42 will use is equal or better to what the alpha PU uses, that is an actual fact since everything between the games is shared.

You know what the only fact is here? That CIG said things. It does not mean it WILL happen. That is not a fact. You can not say something WILL happen when it is not a sure thing. Saying SQ42 WILL come is not a fact. They could abandon development on it tomorrow and then what? You'd be wrong. It isn't a fact.

Hell even trying to claim SQ42 has this and that and is having things done to it is not something you can prove, they send emails about it right? That it? You can make guesses and form opinions about things but trying to use the word 'FACT' just makes you look ridiculous.

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so stop talking complete BS.

You know you have a really bad track record with this term, right?

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If you pay attention to anything kyanion says you dont have any intelligence.

Because I tell it like it is and don't use the word fact to cover an opinion? Nice attack though.

[MrAnderson]

well, its released to the public so...

Indeed, it's not that complicated.

When Valheim, Bannerlord or any other early-access games are announced as released by the press you don't see them calling it a pre-release or whatever. They just say they released in early access.

Just like when we say that Star Citizen is released in pre-alpha/alpha/early-access or whatever.

Gamers can play the Star Citizen alpha because it's released to the public now and has been since 2014. Call it alpha, pre-alpha, early access it doesn't matter. It's just different words for basically the same thing with different nuances.

Nobody is pretending it's a finished product or is it being sold as such. It's publicly not finished, nor stable but in active development and receiving constant updates.

For a reason it's been topping the space games player/viewing charts on the Twitch platform for some years now. Even with all it's flaws it still manages to captivate a hefty player base that keeps on growing, and even "steal" players from competing games that are considered finished enough to "officially release".

If you want examples of Crowdfunded games that haven't release their a public playable build we can go with Ashes of Creation or Pantheon. Both with "estimated release dates" in 2017/18 and still being developed behind NDA and with a playable build only accessible to high tier of pledgers.

[Codexian]

Indeed, it's not that complicated.

When Valheim, Bannerlord or any other early-access games are announced as released by the press you don't see them calling it a pre-release or whatever. They just say they released in early access.

Just like when we say that Star Citizen is released in pre-alpha/alpha/early-access or whatever.

Gamers can play the Star Citizen alpha because it's released to the public now and has been since 2014. Call it alpha, pre-alpha, early access it doesn't matter. It's just different words for basically the same thing with different nuances.

Nobody is pretending it's a finished product or is it being sold as such. It's publicly not finished, nor stable but in active development and receiving constant updates.

For a reason it's been topping the space games player/viewing charts on the Twitch platform for some years now. Even with all it's flaws it still manages to captivate a hefty player base that keeps on growing, and even "steal" players from competing games that are considered finished enough to "officially release".

If you want examples of Crowdfunded games that haven't release their a public playable build we can go with Ashes of Creation or Pantheon. Both with "estimated release dates" in 2017/18 and still being developed behind NDA and with a playable build only accessible to high tier of pledgers.

Doesn’t answer the question though, if it isn’t that complicated, and you understand it, then why correcting people when they say that the game wasn’t released yet, when you know exactly what they mean by it, and have stated it yourself multiple times in the past out sheer convenience?

Chilling 4 CiG, rule#83

- When caught with your pants down, brag about twitch numbers, while still far behind titles such as: “Super Auto Pets”, “Golf with your friends” and “Euro truck simulator”, it’s still ahead of it’s almost non-existent competition and will distract the haters from the point at hand.

[Codexian]

Indeed, it's not that complicated.

That doesn't answer the question, if it isn’t that complicated, and you understand it, then why correcting people when they say that the game wasn’t released yet, when you know exactly what they mean by it, and have stated it yourself multiple times in the past out sheer convenience?


Chilling 4 CiG, rule#83

- When caught with your pants down, brag about twitch numbers, while still far behind titles such as: “Super Auto Pets”, “Golf with your friends” and “Euro truck simulator”, it’s still ahead of it’s non-existent competition and will distract the haters from the point at hand.