Mop worth 40$ plus monthly sub ???

[Immitis]

PvP : The fact that you need to do RBGs to fully cap your conquest is a horrible system. Balanced wise, outside of BM one-shotting,Warriors one-shotting and generally being amazing, Frost Mages/Destro locks doing insane damage if they're let to do it, it's no that bad. With 5.1 I see PvP getting a lot better personally

i agree with this.

[Whitepepper]

If you enjoy grind in general yes. Otherwise no not so much. Pvp is as usual unbalanced as hell.

By reading your posts in the past I've always understood that you have a seething hatred for WoW. Have you ever played MoP and are you currently subbed?

[Glorious Leader]

By reading your posts in the past I've always understood that you have a seething hatred for WoW. Have you ever played MoP and are you currently subbed?

I have and I'm no longer subbed. I don't have a seething hatred for wow, I just have some very mild criticism. Apparently that is a seething hatred. I supposed I could cut of wows left thumb and mail it to Blizzard for ransom money.

[Veyne]

socialist obama welfare epic state.

Whoosh. There goes any and all credibility, right out the window.

[Kaneiac]

Again your misunderstanding me. Yes it was rigid in vanilla but it got better and better. It progressively became smoother and smoother and that's why I stayed.

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No it's not. I had tabards in dungeons.

It was god awful in Vanilla - if anything, it was easier at the start. Once you broke into BWL and AQ40, you had 2 separate gearing routes to go and often had to mix-match ridiculous pieces and wait 3 months for Chromaggus to drop your shoulders. It's as smooth as it's ever been today.

And about the tabard remark, that falls straight back into my original claim - you want to do mind numbingly easy content repeatedly to gain reputation. - IE, dungeons.

That's different from dailies how?

[Glorious Leader]

Whoosh. There goes any and all credibility, right out the window.

What do you want me to tell you? Every discussion usually ends in how entitled I am and how I just want gear easy or welfare epics. Might as well beat them to the punch.

[Mawnix]

What do you want me to tell you? Every discussion usually ends in how entitled I am and how I just want gear easy or welfare epics. Might as well beat them to the punch.

...

I know we can't post meme reaction pictures but imagine me being Jackie Chan, my hands around the sides of my head like my mind is blown, and the WTF face.

[Championn]

Christ if it were slightly better I wouldn't touch it and frankly nobody would. No the rewards are their because they are MUCH better than anything you can get outside the raid. They are not slightly or marginally better. In fact the best shoulders currently for a warrior come from daily quests. Get that through your fucking skulls. dailies are a shitty FORCED grind.

Now go ahead and tell me I'm fucking entitled. This is BS and people will leave for it. The more the better.

Why are you on a World of Warcraft site and talking about it if you dislike it so much and hate it? And don't tell me that Mmo-Champion is more than just WoW. There are about four Leuge of Legends posters and two are mods.

[Kaneiac]

What do you want me to tell you? Every discussion usually ends in how entitled I am and how I just want gear easy or welfare epics. Might as well beat them to the punch.

If it keeps happening, there's probably some sort of correlation or reasoning for it.

[Glorious Leader]

It was god awful in Vanilla - if anything, it was easier at the start. Once you broke into BWL and AQ40, you had 2 separate gearing routes to go and often had to mix-match ridiculous pieces and wait 3 months for Chromaggus to drop your shoulders. It's as smooth as it's ever been today.

And about the tabard remark, that falls straight back into my original claim - you want to do mind numbingly easy content repeatedly to gain reputation. - IE, dungeons.

That's different from dailies how?

It was god awful in vanilla. Crafting gear was virtually non existent and any raid guild so far ahead was not likely to go back and get you geared up in MC for their naxx/aq run.

Well dungeons are more flexible for one and in fact were made extremely more flexible. Like lets say I can only log in on an a saturday, under the tabard system I could farm my face off in dungeons. In the daily system I can do dailies once on saturday. This was made even better when they made dungeon daily reward 7 a week. That's just one thing. Frankly I didn't think "double dipping" was a bad thing either but apparently Blizzard does. I don't understand why making dungeon content rewarding was a bad thing. You should make daily content equally as rewarding and not beat the crap out of dungeons.

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If it keeps happening, there's probably some sort of correlation or reasoning for it.

Yes. Members of this community are reactionary defenders of Blizzard at all costs. Or reactionary defenders of whatever system they currently like.

[BreathTaker]

I always wonder, how much do you spend for games per year? As long as i never pay a cent for a game, if it's not wow(download a torrent, try it for 1-2 weeks and delete, anyone?) i'd pay for any kind of crappy WOW even if it was 50$/month. I'd try and then decide for myself. I'm playing it right now, though it's just a filler, i'm not going to even atempt normal or heroic raiding anymore, but it consumes just right amount of time for me. (tied the normal MV, and had to leave after 2d boss due to RL circumstances, and i guess i'll not be able to dedicate full 4+ hours of my time any soon as it goes)
What is wow for you?
Being IN is great right now(not like "omg you still play THAT").
PVP is just the same(no matter the roles may have shifted)
PVE seems slow and relaxed.
Questing brings tons of achievements to complete.

[Glorious Leader]

Why are you on a World of Warcraft site and talking about it if you dislike it so much and hate it? And don't tell me that Mmo-Champion is more than just WoW. There are about four Leuge of Legends posters and two are mods.

Does it require I have a sub to post here? I was not aware of that rule.

[Mawnix]

Does it require I have a sub to post here? I was not aware of that rule.

You've made your "mild criticisms" multiple times and I'm pretty sure a majority of the people here have seen them.

Why keep making these points.

[jazen]

Christ if it were slightly better I wouldn't touch it and frankly nobody would. No the rewards are their because they are MUCH better than anything you can get outside the raid. They are not slightly or marginally better. In fact the best shoulders currently for a warrior come from daily quests. Get that through your fucking skulls. dailies are a shitty FORCED grind.

Now go ahead and tell me I'm fucking entitled. This is BS and people will leave for it. The more the better.

you apparently didnt play during Vanilla, as the grinding then was worse than it is in MOP. Just because you can't get insta-epics like Wrath, or near insta like Cata doesnt mean it is difficult. no one forces you to do anything, and yes, if you want the rep items, you have to do the dailies.

[Kaneiac]

It was god awful in vanilla. Crafting gear was virtually non existent and any raid guild so far ahead was not likely to go back and get you geared up in MC for their naxx/aq run.

Well dungeons are more flexible for one and in fact were made extremely more flexible. Like lets say I can only log in on an a saturday, under the tabard system I could farm my face off in dungeons. In the daily system I can do dailies once on saturday. This was made even better when they made dungeon daily reward 7 a week. That's just one thing. Frankly I didn't think "double dipping" was a bad thing either but apparently Blizzard does. I don't understand why making dungeon content rewarding was a bad thing. You should make daily content equally as rewarding and not beat the crap out of dungeons.

It was even worse in BC, though! Any guilds in BT/Hyjal were NOT willing to go back and give you a Vashj/Kael kill for your vials unless A. a highly spoken member vouched for you or you were willing to pay out your ass for it.

There was a huge split in BC - those who were 5/6 and 3/4, and those who were past T5 and would never go back. It was just as shitty as Vanilla was, especially because you had to break your 40 man raid down into 25, and then break that 25 down into 2-3 10 mans to do Karazhan, and then combine those raids back together to do everything else.

Heroic 5 mans were USELESS for raiders until they added adequate justice rewards in mid-BC, by then, everyone was already mucking about in SSC and TK and were past those rewards anyways.

And more about the tabard thing - you get rewards proportionate to how much you put into something. If you only have Saturday to play, then you're obviously not a huge hardcore player and it doesn't matter whether you get your gear now or 6 months down the line. This instant gratification shit has got to end somewhere.

[Deleted]

Yes it is worth it as it is the best expansion so far.

[Glorious Leader]

It was even worse in BC, though! Any guilds in BT/Hyjal were NOT willing to go back and give you a Vashj/Kael kill for your vials unless A. a highly spoken member vouched for you or you were willing to pay out your ass for it.

There was a huge split in BC - those who were 5/6 and 3/4, and those who were past T5 and would never go back. It was just as shitty as Vanilla was, especially because you had to break your 40 man raid down into 25, and then break that 25 down into 2-3 10 mans to do Karazhan, and then combine those raids back together to do everything else.

Heroic 5 mans were USELESS for raiders until they added adequate justice rewards in mid-BC, by then, everyone was already mucking about in SSC and TK and were past those rewards anyways.

No not really. It was better in BC. Craftable gear became worth it. Heroic dungeons didn't exist in vanilla and instantly you got another method to gearing in BC that was outside of raid. Granted keys were bad but guess what they got rid of those two. Progression happens in a game. In fact the history of wow and the success of wow has been about evolution and progression away from purist mmo models.

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you apparently didnt play during Vanilla, as the grinding then was worse than it is in MOP. Just because you can't get insta-epics like Wrath, or near insta like Cata doesnt mean it is difficult. no one forces you to do anything, and yes, if you want the rep items, you have to do the dailies.

I didn't say it was worse than in vanilla. I said it was a regression towards something like vanilla and that I think that's foolish but yes no one forces me to do anything even sub to the game. It was when I realized this I realized how little I had to left to do outside of LFR.

[Deleted]

PvP is the same of Cata (with some new spells).
But all the other stuff are just much better. Really nice content.

[Kaneiac]

No not really. It was better in BC. Craftable gear became worth it. Heroic dungeons didn't exist in vanilla and instantly you got another method to gearing in BC that was outside of raid. Granted keys were bad but guess what they got rid of those two. Progression happens in a game. In fact the history of wow and the success of wow has been about evolution and progression away from purist mmo models.

Craftable gear wasn't even suitable to get anywhere. Did you even play? The only thing I ever recall being crafted for anyone in our raids was the 3 piece tailoring sets for priests (I think, Shadowfire shit?) and Belts of Blasting from SSC. Possibly some plate boots. The rest of it was shitty resistance gear that wasn't necessary for anything until Mother, and crafted weapons that were outclassed by weapons dropped from Malchezaar. I remember our GM shouting about how we better start crafting the Arcane Resistance gear because we're going to need it for Karazhan. Ha.

And yup, now you have even more progression paths. You have dailies to get your gear, you have raiding, you have LFR, and you have heroics. There's been no regression.

[Tazila]

One day, I will understand why it seems like the true angry posters on here are those who look like they WANT to play, but blizz broke their heart in some way.

Blizz is like the GF they'll never get over, and we all have to know about it. What they did, what they didn't do, and how much they "don't want to talk to them", but will forever talk about them, yearning, like an adorable but annoying child.



@OP or anyone wanting to try it: Try the 10 day, only you can prevent your choices from being manipulated by others!