Not everyone that was poor that is now a success is tainted with drugs, to claim that they are is factually dishonest, and you know it.
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It's sad to see you stoop to attacking things you dislike, like personal responsibility and other people's belief systems or their religion, specially since we aren't supposed to be discussing religion.
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I come from a time and a place where I judge people by the content of their character; I don't give a damn if you are tall or short; gay or straight; Jew or Gentile; White, Black, Brown or Green; Conservative or Liberal. -- Note to mods: if you are going to infract me have the decency to post the reason, and expect to hold everyone else to the same standard.
I'm not saying to feel bad for him. I'm saying that he is in business to ultimately do one thing, and he has done it very well and reaped the rewards. I'm sure in the eyes of Papa Johns there will be much less customer impact if they don't raise the cost of pizza. They will always take cutting costs over raising prices. That will always be the case, unless the government says they cant, in which case that is a whole new can of worms.
Tell me... if having money is so bad, and so bad for folks... how come you aren't trying to fleece the actors, musicians, sports stars and the like? If having money is so bad then the poor should be happy as fuck, right?
Example... Oprah is worth 250M dollars, I dont see y'all chasing after her for her tax returns, nor do I see y'all demanding she pay more. A-Rod has a 5 year contract with $114M dollars... not counting the millions and millions he's made... Where is the outcry over his taxes and how rich he is? Gonna demand more from him too? Kanye West is reportedly worth $70M...
Wonder how much they all paid in taxes, how much they give to charity...
/scratches chin and wanders off to do more digging.
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I come from a time and a place where I judge people by the content of their character; I don't give a damn if you are tall or short; gay or straight; Jew or Gentile; White, Black, Brown or Green; Conservative or Liberal. -- Note to mods: if you are going to infract me have the decency to post the reason, and expect to hold everyone else to the same standard.
You, folks all over MMO-C and the media pounced on him mercilessly... save it sir... if what Romney said was out of line as you claim, then certainly its out of line when your guys say it too.
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General Electric, CEO, Jeff Immelt, chairman of obama's job council... go look up their recent tax payment history...
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Never attacked religion, never attacked anything in fact. I was merely pointing out the analogy that conservatives typically use faith as the starting point for their arguments. As well I was pointing out the striking similarity between people like you saying "just work harder" and people in religion saying "just pray more". They are both circular, unfalsifiable. That is why your argument is moot. Also I never said anything about personal responsibility, that's nothing but a straw argument. I would be closer on the mark by saying you're the type that blames the victim instead of the person that did the crime.
Pardon my language, but some people never get over being vindictive little cunts.
"If you want to control people, if you want to feed them a pack of lies and dominate them, keep them ignorant. For me, literacy means freedom." - LaVar Burton.
Franchises don't work that way.
Corporate isn't responsible for franchise employees.
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I'm curious as to why we trust Forbes to estimate business costs over the CEO of the actual company.
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That's an incredibly ignorant stance.
Unless you take money and stuff it under a mattress, it isn't removed from the economy.
If you're going to save money, you have 2 realistic options. Bank accounts and investments.
When you open a bank account, the bank will re-lend your money out, so it's not out of the economy.
When you invest that money, you're giving it to someone else in exchange for something. Their intention is probably to spend that money, so it's not taken out of the economy.
Id think the ceo knows more about his own company than the people here. He tells you what is going to happen and why yet people still dont believe it... Then it happens and they are suddenly surprised.
A rational business decision would be to go along with the situation, adapting to the new economic atmosphere and by doing so attempt to find ways to outdo their competition. In fact, eliminating employees to maintain a slightly lower price of pizzas could very easily be a sound business decision. The aspect where he mixed business and politics and thus created a problem, was when he made public announcements that he would pass the cost of health care directly to the workers and thus eliminate a number of them. Making a public spectacle of the incident rather than quietly passing on the costs has probably harmed the company more than the costs themselves.
Murray Energy was cited and fined for numerous mine safety violations over the last few years - THAT is why their business is going to shit. It has to do with general incompetence and has NOTHING to do with who's president.
And Papa John's... what can I say. What these CEOs are saying is, "I'm unwilling to provide fundamental benefits necessary to maintain a secure livelihood to my employees." That's cool. Your pizza sucks anyhow. If corporations are gonna blame Obama for mandating that they have to treat their employees better rather than sucking it up like a big boy and trying to make this country better by relaxing their exploitative chokehold on the lower and lower-middle class, I think they'll find a pretty unsympathetic public.
What they're trying to do isn't too unfamiliar though - they're doubling down on the great Republican lie that only the rich create jobs. They don't. Innovation comes more often from startups and entrepenuers with balls, not the vampires that snatch them up and then axe half their native workforce.
Well, honestly, Schnatter knows full well nothing in Obamacare will change for him.
He's beholden to shareholders, however, and they demand profits.
You're not allowed to willfully cut profits. It's just not something that companies do. Even truly great companies like Google don't do it without the intention of making more money based on that investment.
When a company like Papa John's only makes $55 million a year, a $5-$8 million increase in expenditures is pretty big.
It seems to me that he's not looking out to save his own hide (The man is already worth $600 million). Rather, he's worried that a 15 cent increase in the cost of pizza will deter customers. I think this is entirely unfounded. He doesn't.
Papa John's takes 8% off the top. So in an $11 pizza, $.88 goes to Papa Johns.
Soooooo.... to account for an $8 million increase in expenses, you're looking at about a 0.7% increase in revenue. That seems, to me, to amount to a $.08 increase in pizza costs.
I'm not sure how Forbes determined they'd only need to increase pizza costs by 3 or 4 cents, though.
I'm also not sure how Schnatter came up with the 14 cent increase.