Of course they should have an option but it all depends on circumstances.
1. If the father is out of the girl's life and gives two shits and can't be contacted or whatever and missing for months I'd say no.
2. If the father is the good daddy the girls love to have for a man yes.
There are more circumstances I am sure but they should on a norm have a say.
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It's pretty simple - you either think a sufficiently determined person should be able to exercise control over another person's body for their own purposes or you don't. What you've said indicates to me that you believe that if a man really, really, really wants a kid, he should be able to force a woman to have it.
A man has no such right. You made it up out of whole cloth. Personal autonomy is a right, getting to have a kid isn't.
No. Absolutely not. Not your body, not your fucking choice.
When you volunteer to have the fetus transplanted into yourself I'll believe that 57% of you aren't just trying to control women's bodily autonomy.
I'm pretty much inclined to agree with this. It's easy enough to not get pregnant, so if a man is that worried about not having a child, then there are plenty of ways that he can avoid being in that situation. And I know that accidents do happen, and sometimes no matter how careful you are, the girl could still end up pregnant, but in the end, it is the woman's body. It'd be unfair for her if the man either forced her to go through a pregnancy or abort a fetus that she wanted. It's not really fair for the male either, but there's no real solution that will make it fair for the both of them. It's one or the other.
In other words you think a man should be allowed to control and dominate a woman's body if he's "completely determined" and signs legal contracts to force the woman to compley.
Where one side gets to make all the decision with the mild inconvenience of signing "many legal contracts", and the other side has "a lot of say" in submitting. Total equality.it is based off of my view of equality.
We don't get to suffer through 9 months of vomiting, pains, extremely small bladder and stretch marks, so no, we shouldn't get any say in it. Don't want a child? Use a rubber.
You realize that the need for consent doesn't somehow stop if a woman says yes once, right? She's not consenting to carrying a pregnancy to term, she's consenting to a single sexual encounter and has every right to withdraw consent any time. It's not, "well, you had sex with me, so now you're mine for 9 months!".
No wrong in that at all.
Oh, tell me how will you get the 6 week featus out of the girl and in to you, so you can carry it and give birth to it when the time is right?
Becuse you cant mean that the girl shall have to do all this against her will just becuse you want a kid?
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You are living in a dreamworld. Your comments have been worthless so far as in you don't even bother looking at it from a different perspective. Every single comment you just say "Her body, her rules"...but mixed in with some difficult words to act smart and like you know what you are talking about.
We don't live in a perfect world...there are more thing to take in account when deciding about abortion next to who needs to carry the baby. I myself think their should become a system where a court should decide about abortion after listening to both parties view points...a child comes from both sexes and both their opinions are relevant when it comes to bringing life into this world.
I find it hard to decide who should make the final choice when it comes to abortion, every single person has a different background. A court needs to evaluate when a child is going to be taken away or not when there are signs of children being in problem within a family...I don't see why the same system shouldn't be applied to when a child is going to be brought into the world.
I find anyone who can say point blanc it should be up to the female (or male) fecking idiots...how can you decide so fast about someone else his life what to do with it.
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The man isn't the one that has to carry that child for 9 months and then give birth to it. Do you have any idea how emotionally traumatizing it could potentially be to give birth to a child that you don't even want? Doesn't really sound like equality to me. There is no way for this kind of situation to be equal. If the man has a say, it isn't fair for the woman. If only the woman has a say, it isn't fair for the man. But since the man isn't the one who has to carry the child, there is no room for equality. It's kind of a shitty situation, but there really isn't a way around it.
It's not a "his kid". It's a lump of cells within the woman's body.
Want children? Go find someone who wants to reproduce.
No, you've made it completely clear just how you think a man's wishes should trump a woman's control of her own god damned body.Maybe I'm not making myself clear on how difficult this would be to do for the man
Alright, so if a guy wants the abortion and the girl decides to keep the baby, the guy is free of all responsibilities, correct?