12 - 21 - 12 Official Thread

[Gothicshark]

Thank the Doctor we survived.

[Deleted]

cant we just stop this? so anoying to hear about the 21-12 all the time now.. never gonna happen..

[Assumi]

Just so you know, this has nothing to do with the date when they based their calendar on the Stars. So while to us, the date may be wrong, the actual day in terms of the planets day & night cycle, it is still the same date.

I can't recall the whole counter-argument to this, but I recall something based on that being the point.

On-Topic: How many more of these stupid predictions must I live through?

Umm, no. What you just described is EXACTLY WHY the Mayan calender is incorrect. Mayans had a great grasp of astronomy and time for their time, but it was not perfect, they did not have the capability to determine a full orbital year is 365.25 days.

All the crazy doom day people translate Mesoamerican long count cycles (strange divisions of years) into Gregorian Calendar years directly. They say that 18 Winal = 360 days exact, but on our modern, proper measurement of orbital years, it's closer to 360.24 days. This lack of accounting for leap years is why it's wrong. Their day and night cycle accounting for years did not accurately measure 365.25 days, only the 0.0.18.0.5 year cycles adding up to a flat 365 days. This is also why some of their seasonal calenders don't even match the seasons now, because they're becoming 1 more day behind every 5 years. The B'ak'tun rollover happened at 13.0.0.0 on the count, which was about 13 months ago by our current, astronomically correct measurement of days.

Hell, the B'ak'tun rollover isn't even that big of a deal, there was 3 other rollovers (Winal, Tun and K'atun) in the past, and those did... nothing. There are more rollovers to come Kalabtun, K'inchiltun, ect. So why measure future rollovers when the world is over by then? Because there was no belief that the B'ak'tun rollover meant any dooms day to the Mayans, that's a modern fabrication of ours.

This was brought up by non-lunatic Mayan scholars when all the 2012 crap cropped up, as a very simple way to disprove it. But did all the dooms day wackos listen? Of course not, all hail Quetzcoatl.

[SirRobin]

/sigh

12/21 08:10 CST Mexico's Maya heartland greets dawn of new era

Mexico's Maya heartland greets dawn of new era

By MARK STEVENSON
Associated Press

MERIDA, Mexico (AP) -- Ceremonial fires burned and conches sounded off as dawn broke over the steps of the main pyramid at the Mayan ruins of Chichen Itza Friday, making what many believe is the conclusion of a vast, 5,125-year cycle in the Mayan calendar.

Some have interpreted the prophetic moment as the end of the world. The hundreds gathered in the ancient Mayan city, however, said they believed it marked the birth of a new and better age.

Genaro Hernandez stood with his arms outstretched to the morning light, all clad in white, facing the pyramids' grey stone, to welcome the new era.

"This world is being reborn as a better world," said Hernandez, a 55-year old accountant who wore an expression of bliss.

No one was quite sure at what time the Mayas' 13th Baktun would officially end on this Dec. 21. Some think it already ended at midnight. Others looked to Friday's dawn here in the Maya heartland. Some had later times in mind. One thing became clear to many on the site by Friday morning: The world had not ended.

Mexico's National Institute of Anthropology and History even suggested that historical calculations to synchronize the Mayan and Western calendars might be off a few days. It said the Mayan Long Count calendar cycle might not really end until Sunday.

Whatever the details, the chance to mark epochal change seemed to be the main concern among celebrants drawn to the Yucatan peninsula.

Hundreds of people were scattered around the vast central plaza of Chichen Itza, some kneeling in attitudes of prayer, some seated with arms outstretched in positions of meditation, all facing El Castillo, the massive main pyramid.

Ivan Gutierrez, a 37-year-old artist who lives in the nearby village, stood before the pyramid and blew a low, sonorous blast on a conch horn. "It has already arrived, we are already in it," he said of the new era. "We are in a frequency of love, we are in a new vibration."

But it was unclear how long the love would last: A security guard quickly came over and asked him to stop blowing his conch shell, enforcing the ruin site's ban on holding ceremonies without previous permits.

What nobody was calling the moment was the end of the world, as some people in recent years have interpreted the meaning of the end of the 13th Baktun _ despite the insistence of archeologists and the Maya themselves it meant no such thing.

"We'll still have to pay taxes next year," said Gabriel Romero, a Los Angeles-based spiritualist who uses crystal skulls in his ceremonies.

If the chanting and dancing of a crystal skull ceremony held Thursday weren't enough to end fears of an apocalypse, scientists chimed in, too.

Bill Leith, the U.S. Geological Survey's senior science adviser for earthquake and geologic hazards, said that by late Thursday, absolutely nothing out of the ordinary had been detected in seismic activities, solar flares, volcanos or the Earth's geomagnetic field.

"It's a fairly unremarkable day on planet Earth today, and in the last few days," Leith said. "There are no major eruptions going on."

There had been about 120 small earthquakes and a moderate temblor in Japan, he said. "That's very much a normal day."

Still, there were some who wouldn't truly feel safe until the sun sets Friday over the pyramids in Yucatan peninsula, the heartland of the Maya.

Mexico's best-known seer, Antonio Vazquez Alba, known as "El Brujo Mayor," said he had received emails containing rumors that a mass suicide might be planned in Argentina.

End-of-the-world paranoia, in fact, has spread around the world.

Dozens of schools in Michigan canceled classes for thousands of students this week amid rumors of violence tied to the prophetic date. In France, people expecting doomsday were looking expectantly to a mountain in the Pyrenees where they believe a hidden spaceship was waiting to spirit them away. And in China, government authorities were cracking down on a fringe Christian group spreading
rumors about the world's end, while preaching that Jesus had reappeared as a woman in central China.

Vazquez said he was sure that human nature represented the only threat Friday. "Nature isn't going to do us any harm, but we can do damage to ourselves," he said.

Authorities worried about overcrowding and possible stampedes during celebrations Friday at Mayan ruin sites like Chichen Itza and Uxmal, both about 1 1/2 hours from Merida, the Yucatan state capital. Special police and guard details were assigned to the pyramids.

As Friday's dawn began sweeping around the globe, there was no sign of an apocalypse.

Indeed, the social network Imgur posted photos of clocks turning midnight in the Asia-Pacific region with messages such as: "The world has not ended. Sincerely, New Zealand."

Average residents of the Yucatan, where the Mayas invented the 394-year calendar cycles known as baktuns, the 13th of which ends Friday, were pretty upbeat about the day.

Yucatan Gov. Rolando Zapata said he felt growing good vibes.

"We believe that the beginning of a new baktun means the beginning of a new era, and we're receiving it with great optimism," Zapata said.

Even before the baktun's end, hundreds of spiritualists from Asian, North American, South American and European shamanistic traditions mingled amiably with the Mexican hosts at a convention center in Merida on Thursday.

Dozens of booths offered people the chance to have their auras photographed with "Chi" light, get a shamanic cleansing or buy sandals, herbs and whole-grain baked goods.

"This is the beginning of a change in priorities and perceptions. We are all one," said Esther Romo, a Mexico City businesswoman who works in art promotion and galleries. "No limits, no boundaries, no nationalities, just fusion."

Better luck next time?

[Pandragon]

Crab people are physically weak, but beware incase they try to make you metrosexual.

Crab people? Seriously? Afraid of crab people?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGqUdxS9OS8


Dont stand to their sides and youre gonna be ok.

[yetgdhfgh]

Well the dolphins have just left they said something about thanks for all the fish

not sure what that means

[Deleted]

Crab people? Seriously? Afraid of crab people?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGqUdxS9OS8


Dont stand to their sides and youre gonna be ok.

[Luko]

Leap year saved the day!

*ducks bottles*

[Symphonic]

SO.. if our species suddenly stopped making calendars. It would mean that the day after we stopped the world would end D:?! lets do it.

Just noticed your sig ^^. Cool!

[Gallahadd]

just saying... Pretty sure it was meant to end at midnight so it might still happen

on a more important note though, yesterday at 8:12 it was 20:12 on 20/12 in the year 2012, and that's WAY more cool/interesting than the frakkin Mayan's not being bothered to write out any more days in their diary

[expectwar]

The government was correct! lol http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...192819519.html

[Malcor]

just saying... Pretty sure it was meant to end at midnight so it might still happen

on a more important note though, yesterday at 8:12 it was 20:12 on 20/12 in the year 2012, and that's WAY more cool/interesting than the frakkin Mayan's not being bothered to write out any more days in their diary

No

It's fucking over

"IT WAS MEANT TO BE AT 11:11PM EST on the 20th!"

"IT WAS MEANT TO BE AT 4:11AM EST ON THE 21st!"

It's.....fucking.....over

Multiple parts of the world are already on December 22nd

You all lost, No apocalypse, Game over man

[Sayl]

The government was correct! lol http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...192819519.html

I have a great deal of respect for David Morrisson. Not only did he study under Carl Sagan at Harvard and went on to a noteworthy scientific career, he's volunteered many hours over the years responding to questions from the public and trying to allay people's irrational fears of cosmic destruction. Sucks that so many idiots repay him with horrid YouTube comments and insults.

[otro]

Well that`s lame, I wouldn`t mind witnessing something BIG, like LIFE ENDING BIG, bummer!

[Thage]

Worst apocalypse ever, man. It was sunny and not a cloud in sight sunup to sundown.

[Gothicshark]

It was a typical miserable day here in Sunny Southern California, the right balance of clouds to be pretty, the air was a perfect 75. As a miserable being today was too pleasant.

[Daverid]

No

It's fucking over

"IT WAS MEANT TO BE AT 11:11PM EST on the 20th!"

"IT WAS MEANT TO BE AT 4:11AM EST ON THE 21st!"

It's.....fucking.....over

Multiple parts of the world are already on December 22nd

You all lost, No apocalypse, Game over man

I have no idea how anyone in their right mind could believe in such BS in the first place. It's rubbish, just like Y2K and any other made up BS Hoaxes.



(They're talking about a different 'Ending Hoax' but regardless the Bullshit nature still applies to 21/12/12)

[matters]

Seeing as it is already the 22nd in some countries i would say that the whole 12-21-12 thing was nothing more than a bunch of superstition.

[Trassk]

Worst apocalypse ever, man. It was sunny and not a cloud in sight sunup to sundown.

I burped after eating pizza. Maybe that was a sign?

you know the great thing about this. It shows you just how many degenerate people there are in the world still, and who to watch out for.

[Markluzz]

I knew the world wouldn't end but, man I was at least hoping there would be some crazy people doing some crazy stuff and I could eat popcorn while watching...But nothing?

This has been an extremely peaceful and uneventful day for me.