To the Youtube link with part of the Dalaran quest line
1. Yay I finally got to see that part (school owns my soul so I'm not there yet)
and
2. I r /sadface 'cause Jaina's still in her ratty clothes from the Theramore event....GG BLIZZ!!
To the Youtube link with part of the Dalaran quest line
1. Yay I finally got to see that part (school owns my soul so I'm not there yet)
and
2. I r /sadface 'cause Jaina's still in her ratty clothes from the Theramore event....GG BLIZZ!!
I understand your point..yes it's shame that we lost the rational noble Jaina of the old days.. but to be honest with you I can understand her too I mean in the end we are all humans not some kind of angels or machine..we have emotions and she lost just so much...everyone has his limits. The things she lost make even the strongest most patient person to even lose his sanity but she didn't not yet at least...
let us say you are a fine calm rational person but then one day a bad guy destroys and make you lose your entire family, country, and your loved one all in one moment... will you be still the same person? will you able to think rationally? nope don't think so and even when everything is over and finally peace these scars and events will still affect you and haunt you forever..because they are in your memory... it's part of being human..it's our emotions sometimes it can be our strength and sometimes it can be our weakness.
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i cant really understand how one can claim that a story decicion is wrong or fail or whatever and that it ruined a character.
first of: her hometown got nuked, if thats not worse enough, with that single bomb shattered all she loved and believed in and realized its beyond point of return.
its easy to say "she is strong she should not give in to grief and anger", but ask people that lost someone to a murder, they want justice no matter what and wouldnt care (if not secretly or openly prefer) for death penality even if its forbidden in their country. and thats not even close to what jaina is going through.
i think she is maybe cold and determined, but she is going to use this determination to get rid of garrosh before another manabomb hits another alliance town
also with the mists storyline consider: jaina has to fear the manabomb, hatred and anger for garrosh, doubt her beliefs..... if that wouldnt be easy going for the sha to twist her further i dont know what
edit oh and now forgott second: second its blizzards damn own story and they can make with it what they want, and i rather see a liked character go through hell and change after such an impact as being all mary sue and shrug it off as nothing
None of the places you mentioned are near Stormwind or Ironforge, the two prime Alliance capitals. Neither is the Horde encroaching on Alliance lands like it is vice versa.
And please don't bring up Stonetalon, we all know that was an atrocity NOT at Garrosh's hand. And the general was dealt with. Ashenvale? I think the Night Elves were begging for it when they refused to allow Horde to get lumber when they were utterly resource starved largely due to a pacifist useless warchief (Thrall). Sylvanas has been a loose cannon since Cataclysm. Her motives are just for the Undead's own morals but not for the living. And Garrosh would put her down if he could. But he fears her.
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sorry i didnt get the memo but... when did thrall ever say he hated varian? last i heard varian and thrall were on pretty good terms (as much as any human who remembers the old horde can be) i mean varian offered thrall lumber from elwyn to try and stop fighting between the orcs and the night elves.
hell i bet if thrall was a human he and varian would be best buddies i mean they both are orphans theyve both seen horrible things and theyve both been gladiators fighting for their lives
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come on illidan should not have been a villain neither should kael'thas pretty much all of bc lore is a huge pile of crap
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you would go insane too if everyone you cared about was murdered. At least Kalec is there to help her on the battle field, and the bedroom...
You have a very vapid view of what being reasonable and listening to it means.
Though there is part of me that agrees on the second half, I put it down to really poor story structure, that she allowed alliance to come though theramore to invade the barrens, and then wiped her hands of it like she had nothing to do with it. That I put down to the issue of blizzard writers not being on the same page as each other and addressing the lore issues together. There was nothing mentioned of her feelings of it in tides of war, and it tried to make it look like she wasn't at fault for it, yet all you need to is look at the road paving though duskwallow to the barrens and the theramore banners in the alliance forts there.
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Really people, Dalaran =/= Jaina, she can be alliance and still have Dalaran as neutral. The sunreavers which are Dalaran mages used Dalaran resources to benifit the horde and invade an alliance city. Dalaran is still neutral otherwise iris bombs would be blowing up all the horde cities by now.
Don't kid yourself. The sunreavers were the only link the horde had to dalaran, and with them none there is nothing neutral about it now. To be neutral a faction needs to be open to all, and the fact she pushes out the hordes only link to it and enforces the alliances link with it is just about card towards the alliances war against the horde.
Where the sunreavers wrong for helping Garrosh and his schemes? Yes, but the rest of the horde has been sucked into Garrosh's insane warfair and it will have a reckoning at the end of mists when the horde rises against him and ends his rule. But the damage will still be there and dalaran will not just welcome the horde back in due to Jaina's now hatred of the horde.
Her speech about using dalaran as a beacon for peace, was utter crap.
#boycottchina
We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"
A neutral orginization expelled people that used the orginization for a factions own means. No shit? Once again it Dalaran wee alliance iris bombs would be dropping left and right. Learn the real world definition of a neutral orginization not the 14 year old "IT'S NOT FAIR THE WONT LET US HAVE IT TOO" definition. Until DALARAN uses its resources to fight the horde )not prevent atrocities) it it neutral. Jaina =/= Dalaran
I'm a little at odds with the OP's title.
How on earth can you compare Jaina imprisoning an organisation (NOT going out and killing them in cold blood) which has traitors in it to a genocidal Undead Elf who employs necromancy, plague and damn near any other depraved method along with having next to moral qualms about slaughtering entire populaces along with ordering slavery.
At this point I think the only people calling her a crazy Horde hating maniac are the people who haven't played or watched any of the interactions with Jaina, or simply completely misunderstood them.
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Tell me where it says she hates then.
The Horde has proven to be hostile on every level to Dalaran. They planned and killed it's previous leader. Now they have used it's own resources and people to fuel it's war and use them to acquire a weapon that could create another Theramore.
Her imprisoning them is a rational move by every account and not one fuelled by hatred. The Horde's actions have proven they are no ally of Dalaran and have no interest in the good of Azeroth or it's people.
You're unhappy when she's angry and mistrusts the Horde.
You're unhappy when she's more level headed and trusts the Horde.
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We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"
There is violence and I didn't say there wasn't any, however that was not what she aimed for or wanted.
She told Aethas to get out peacefully due to his organisations actions and he refuses, so they're arrested and those that refuse to be put in chains are killed. Killing them was not her first option.
She's in a situation where she cannot trust the Sunreavers, so allowing them to not become incarcerated puts Dalaran at risk.
People are acting as if she's going on some murderous spree, except she isn't.
Read between the lines. The ones who did so are following what Garrosh tells them for fear of what he will do if they don't. Every faction within the horde is held by the balls currently under Garrosh's hand, they act not out of wanting betrayal but fear.Tell me where it says she hates then.
The Horde has proven to be hostile on every level to Dalaran. They planned and killed it's previous leader. Now they have used it's own resources and people to fuel it's war and use them to acquire a weapon that could create another Theramore.
Her imprisoning them is a rational move by every account and not one fuelled by hatred. The Horde's actions have proven they are no ally of Dalaran and have no interest in the good of Azeroth or it's people.
They used dalaran as a portal to darnassus, and it was Jaina who made it into an alliance thing, instead of cutting off dalaran from the war, she made it into an alliance issue. You honestly think all the sunreavers in dalaran wanted to be part of Garrosh's plan? She decided all were guilty instead of the few who did it. Her speech is meaningless.
Wrong on the second one, I've always admired Jaina's stance on trying for peace even when you had idiots like Garrosh and Varian at each others throats. Her sudden forced change of character was done as nothing more then a way to vamp up Varian's character as being the level headed one.You're unhappy when she's angry and mistrusts the Horde.
You're unhappy when she's more level headed and trusts the Horde.
#boycottchina