Mega-Thread: Gun Control Thread

[Daelak]

What part of his history would have prevented him from buying a gun in those countries? I'm genuinely curious.

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Between March 1999 and March 2000, Flanagan worked as a reporter for NBC affiliate WTWC-TV in Tallahassee, Florida. Flanagan later reported to the station's then-news director, Don Shafer, that co-workers were making offensive comments about his sexual orientation. In an interview with the Daily Mail, former WTWC sports reporter Dave Leval stated that Flanagan verbally abused two female staffers at the station on different occasions after they pointed out mistakes in his reporting, and several photographers tried to get out of working on stories to which Flanagan was assigned due to his "diva" behavior.[42][43][44]

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WDBJ announced their hiring of Flanagan, using the professional name Bryce Williams, as a multimedia journalist on April 19, 2012.[46] Documents relating to Flanagan's time at WDBJ suggest the station's management considered him to be an experienced reporter, but there were a number of conflicts with other reporters and with photographers.[47] Office memos from WDBJ showed that in July 2012, Dan Dennison, the station's then-news director, ordered Flanagan to contact the Health Advocate after complaints that co-workers were "feeling threatened or uncomfortable" while working with him.[48] It was unclear if Flanagan did so prior to his dismissal.[49]

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Flanagan was dismissed by WDBJ on February 1, 2013, because of his volatile behavior. According to a former colleague, Flanagan lashed out at newsroom staffers after learning of his firing, resulting in the staffers being put in a room while police escorted Flanagan out of the building. Ward was said to have recorded Flanagan as he was escorted out and had a confrontation with him that day. He allegedly threw a wooden cross at Dennison, saying "You need this".[50] WDBJ provided security to the staffers for a time after the incident, and directed them to call 9-1-1 if he ever returned to the station.[12][47][51] Flanagan filed an EEOC complaint against WDBJ, again alleging racial discrimination; he allegedly named Parker in his complaint. Following an investigation, the EEOC dismissed the complaint as uncorroborated.[45][52][53]

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Following his dismissal, Flanagan got a job at a local UnitedHealth Group call center. He had a confrontation with a female employee who casually pointed out how quiet he was being, to which he responded aggressively, telling her to never talk to him again.[54] One of Flanagan's neighbors in his apartment complex described him as an arrogant person who acted rudely towards people around him. He was noted for sometimes throwing cat feces at the homes of neighbors with whom he had disputes.[49]

Their reachback time goes farther than that of the US.

[TwoNineMarine]

I explained quite clearly why it doesn't make sense. You're asking a question about what legislation we should pass next, when the current legislation (UBC's) doesn't do what it's not supposed to do.

UBC's aren't supposed to stop all shootings, ever. Asking what happens when they don't stop all shootings, ever, doesn't make sense.

Sigh. Being intentionally obtuse now. I know you're smarter than that.

How about this? Perhaps you'll quit deflecting and answer the damn question lol

In addition to the UBCs what additional legislation will stop the gun deaths in America? And please for the love of God don't say gun confiscation lol

[Daelak]

Lol no. Doubtful. Didn't stop the church shooter.



Buybacks won't work unless people are offered an actual decent amount for their weapons. We've discussed this. The last however many have failed horribly because the government offers a pittance of what the weapon is currently worth.

Because the databases used by the FBI aren't as robust as other countries, and they have a short time limit to approve sales. Other countries take several weeks before approval and include interviews.

Sure, let the government simultaneously buyback firearms at a higher rate and implement a more robust background check system.

[TwoNineMarine]

Because the databases used by the FBI aren't as robust as other countries, and they have a short time limit to approve sales. Other countries take several weeks before approval and include interviews.

Sure, let the government simultaneously buyback firearms at a higher rate and implement a more robust background check system.

And I've voiced my opinion in various threads that the system should expand, at the very least, to every state so that it can be known if the person is a felon anywhere in the country.

And the government can't allow buybacks at a higher rate. They simply don't have the money. Not if they want to purchase weapons in bulk anyways.

I'm not a fan of incredibly long waiting periods. Or "time-outs" as Hillary put them. The news reporter shooter waited two months to make his move. Should we have people wait 3 months? 6? Longer?

[Daelak]

so now you're putting the burden on the tax payer then seeing as you'd have to hire additional police forces to handle this

Sure, we spend an incredible amount of money on the war on terror, and it has killed far fewer Americans on US soil.

[Zandro]

We should make drugs illegal too, then people won't be able to buy them!

[Daelak]

And I've voiced my opinion in various threads that the system should expand, at the very least, to every state so that it can be known if the person is a felon anywhere in the country.

And the government can't allow buybacks at a higher rate. They simply don't have the money. Not if they want to purchase weapons in bulk anyways.

I'm not a fan of incredibly long waiting periods. Or "time-outs" as Hillary put them. The news reporter shooter waited two months to make his move. Should we have people wait 3 months? 6? Longer?

What do you mean we don't have the money? War on terror says hai.

If the FBI had enough funds and resources, I am confident they could execute in-depth background checks within a reasonable time-frame.

[TwoNineMarine]

What do you mean we don't have the money? War on terror says hai.

If the FBI had enough funds and resources, I am confident they could execute in-depth background checks within a reasonable time-frame.

Well why isn't the current system able to do such a thing then? Plenty of states require background checks and people slip through. So why aren't they using their unlimited funding to fix their current system?

The main point is IF the FBI had the money. Which they obviously don't.

[Daelak]

Well why isn't the current system able to do such a thing then? Plenty of states require background checks and people slip through. So why aren't they using their unlimited funding to fix their current system?

The main point is IF the FBI had the money. Which they obviously don't.

Because of the limited scope and databases that it is connected to, not to mention the maximum time frame of 3 days. That would have to be amended, and the FBI needs to lobby for more funding away from the DoD and NSA so they can have a bigger program.

[TwoNineMarine]

Because of the limited scope and databases that it is connected to, not to mention the maximum time frame of 3 days. That would have to be amended, and the FBI needs to lobby for more funding away from the DoD and NSA so they can have a bigger program.

You said the money is there. Why don't they have it already? With the big stink that most of the big government folk make you'd think this would be a big priority.

They can lobby all they want. But there is only so much money to be had.

[Daelak]

You said the money is there. Why don't they have it already? With the big stink that most of the big government folk make you'd think this would be a big priority.

They can lobby all they want. But there is only so much money to be had.

Because congress worships the DoD and NSA. Your bolded statement shows how bought and paid for our legislative branch of government is for the firearm industry.

[Tinykong]

Their reachback time goes farther than that of the US.

So, you're fine with denying someone a firearm based on what people say about them.

[TwoNineMarine]

Because congress worships the DoD and NSA. Your bolded statement shows how bought and paid for our legislative branch of government is for the firearm industry.

So it's a gun owners fault that politicans (on both sides) can be bought?

[Ghostpanther]

Yep, and then there are those rights that are inalienable, that can´t be taken away from a person.

Yeah, which some would be the right to a fair trial and the right not to be tortured. Due process and all.

[Daelak]

So, you're fine with denying someone a firearm based on what people say about them.

Yes, after a repeated pattern of aggressive behavior and firings.

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So it's a gun owners fault that politicans (on both sides) can be bought?

Unless you made your firearm from raw ore imported from Brazil, then yes, you purchased that firearm from them.

[Ghostpanther]

I am not spinning anything, if we had the same background checks of the aforementioned countries, Vester, the Louisiana theatre, Dylan Root, would of not been able to acquire a firearm.

You do not know that. There are many ways to get a firearm besides the legal way.

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Their reachback time goes farther than that of the US.

None of those should have kept him from getting a firearm. Are you suggesting we start to make everyone follow a certain behavior pattern which is not verbally abusive? What happen to freedom of speech?

[lockedout]

Bro, conspiracy theories are not welcome on these forums. Punctuation, however, is acceptable.

You've already admitted in this thread that you want an all out ban if possible so stop the nonsense.

[Stormdash]

Unless you made your firearm from raw ore imported from Brazil, then yes, you purchased that firearm from them.

I am pleased to see your support of people being allowed to 3D print their own guns

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Their reachback time goes farther than that of the US.

Did he do anything illegal? Was he arrested and convicted of a felony? Was he committed to a mental institution?

[TZucchini]

In addition to the UBCs what additional legislation will stop the gun deaths in America? And please for the love of God don't say gun confiscation lol

Universal background checks, mental health evaluations, safe storage laws, mandatory annual training. Better funding for ATF. Microstamping. Smart gun technology.

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You've already admitted in this thread that you want an all out ban if possible so stop the nonsense.

Here's the part where you quote me directly.

(Hint: You wont be able to.)