You literally don't have a counterargument.
My position is based on the science, whereas you're just flagrantly making shit up and demanding we accept your imagination as proof enough.
If you're looking for correlations to blame for gun violence, "being a man" or "drinking alcohol like, ever" are significantly better correlates than "mental health issues". And nobody's arguing those should be seen as warning signs, because their correlations are not strong at all. And the correlation to mental illness is less strong than they are.
Worse, here's the most damning thing about your argument; mental illness can be exculpatory. If mental illness is forcing these people to act in a way they otherwise wouldn't, they do not carry legal blame for the actions in question. They're not criminals, they're sick and need help. Your "mental health" argument acts to lessen their personal responsibility for the heinous crimes they commit, implicitly arguing that it's not really their fault, they just need health care.
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Yes and either way I reject it and you posting it doesn’t make it scientific or conclusive.
You and a few others should get it through your fucking heads. That isn’t how any of this works. Not even the science you’re trying to suggest.
I’m not going to teach you. I’m not going to play show me your link. I’ll show you mine because you can’t argue.
You want to argue it fine but then break it down and add your thoughts. If you’re here to post me links well you can just click on my links.
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It does matter. This isn’t a science blog or thread. It’s a debate about gun control.
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You don’t even have an argument or counter argument. All you do now is just post links and shit and try to misinterpret what people say. You have no fucking grasp of argument and what people say. Why the fuck would I respect or accept your sources for anything.
You lost this argument a long time ago now you’re just trying to pick fights because you’re upset.
No gun control isn’t necessary because some lunatic in my opinion shot up a school. And nobody honestly gives a shit arguing on either side of this issue.
If they were we would be confronting why people want to murder one another like this. Not whatever tool they used. AR-15 or Hertz car rental.
Milli Vanilli, Bigger than Elvis
Where did I ever suggest my posting it made it somehow valid and useful?
That credit belongs to the original authors, entirely. With whom you do not have any legitimate complaint.
There's nothing to argue. You made up a whole bunch of ridiculous nonsense hooey, based on nothing but your unthinking emotional prejudices, and when presented with data and evidence that demonstrated you were wrong, you started throwing this hissy fit rather than make even a basic attempt to justify your position.You want to argue it fine but then break it down and add your thoughts. If you’re here to post me links well you can just click on my links.
All the evidence and reasoning we've got is on my side. You've got . . . nothing. You just declared that all mass shooters must be mentally ill, because you declare it to be so, and don't need no stinkin' evidence or justification.
And that's ridiculous. You're wrong, and getting angry about it just makes you look even more silly.
Those two lines, one after the other, completely contradicting your own projection. Cute.All you do now is just post links and shit and try to misinterpret what people say. You have no fucking grasp of argument and what people say. Why the fuck would I respect or accept your sources for anything.
You lost this argument a long time ago now you’re just trying to pick fights because you’re upset.
Nah. We can talk about gun control, because there aren't really legitimate uses for the kinds of weapons we're talking about.If they were we would be confronting why people want to murder one another like this. Not whatever tool they used. AR-15 or Hertz car rental.
Not legitimate to you. But there is no good argument to infringe on anyones rights.
Especially when those who do these masks shooting are a minority and dealing with that requires mental help and resources.
You have no reasoning other than you feel. You’re argument consist of bullshit links.
When you actually fucking argue something I’ll respond otherwise kick rocks.
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Lol no the science is not conclusive apt or as it’s always presented.
Especially by linkers with no arguments.
Milli Vanilli, Bigger than Elvis
"Other people's rights" is a pretty damned good one, actually. Including, say, right to life.
And that's without pointing out that a "right to firearms" is murderously silly in the first place.
Again, not a mental health issue, and mental health resources cannot possibly solve the issue, or even make a meaningful dent. You're talking about issues that affect about 11% of mass shooters, at best, and presuming you can pre-emptively diagnose and handle those issues 100% of the time even then.Especially when those who do these masks shooting are a minority and dealing with that requires mental help and resources.
Those links have reams and reams of data, evidence, and analysis. So you're just lying.You have no reasoning other than you feel. You’re argument consist of bullshit links.
What am I supposed to "argue"? You're wrong. I've provided proof that you're wrong. You've provided jack shit to back up your fantasies.When you actually fucking argue something I’ll respond otherwise kick rocks.
You're wrong, and I don't need to convince you. I just need to convince everyone else.
"Mental health" is a boogeyman that seeks to deflect attention away from gun control as a response, when gun control is well-understood to be highly effective at reducing mass shooting rates (and other firearms violence rates, as well). It's also used to deflect responsibility away from mass shooters, to blame a fictional illness instead, for motives that nobody's ever honest or clear about.
This isn't to say mental health support shouldn't be offered. Just that even if it is, it will have a negligible effect on gun violence, by itself. The one thing we know works is gun control. And that includes revoking the "right" to own firearms, wholesale. Because it's as shitty and poorly-rationalized an idea as the right to own slaves (which was also written into the Constitution, to be clear). Maybe stop worshipping the really shitty takes of 200-year-dead slave-rapers.
Hell, it's not even a different argument. The 2nd Amendment was crafted for two primary reasons; 1> so that the Federal Government didn't need to maintain a standing army, and 2> to ensure slave states could put down slave rebellions; https://www.npr.org/2021/06/02/10021...-2nd-amendment
Obviously, the first argument doesn't apply any more, and the second sure shouldn't, but it's no surprise that it's mostly residents of ex-slave-states which still have massive issues with systemic racism who are at the forefront of defending the 2nd Amendment.
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This is pretty hilarious. I enjoy you saying this stupid shit even more if you actually believe it.
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Well racist and sexist and homophobic assholes are mentally unwell also.
You provided no evidence that someone who decides to murder kindergarteners isn’t mentally I’ll.
My right to own fire arms shall not be infringed and shouldn’t be neither should anyones without reasonable cause.
You pretending is to save lives is laughable. Nothing compels me you generally give a shit about others at all.
Especially when you make shit up. Accusing people of shit based on merit less accusations.
Milli Vanilli, Bigger than Elvis
I sure did; https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4318286/
Gun crime narratives that attribute causality to mental illness also invert the material realities of serious mental illness in the United States. Commentators such as Coulter blame “the mentally ill” for violence, and even psychiatric journals are more likely to publish articles about mentally ill aggression than about victimhood.5 But, in the real world, these persons are far more likely to be assaulted by others or shot by the police than to commit violent crime themselves. In this sense, persons with mental illness might well have more to fear from “us” than we do from “them.” And blaming persons with mental disorders for gun crime overlooks the threats posed to society by a much larger population—the sane.
You just keep refusing to even look at that evidence. Usually gloating about your refusal to do so in the process.
Why not?My right to own fire arms shall not be infringed and shouldn’t be neither should anyones without reasonable cause.
And don't cite the 2nd Amendment at me, because again, I really don't consider a 230-year-old law intended to violently put down slave rebellions to be a valid counterpoint.
Also, I'll note that "there's a massively disproportional amount of gun crime in the USA as a result of the 2nd Amendment and the lack of gun control" is a pretty damned "reasonable cause".
Why you bothering him with all those links? He's a good Christian and doesn't like them science folks. It's his constitutional right to be able to kill kindergartens.
Milli Vanilli, Bigger than Elvis
Throwing gay people head down from a building is also established law in some countries, that doesn't make it right.