Ian Watkins - Paedophile?

[semaphore]

if pedophiles don't disgust you, you disgust me.

That's a pretty heinous thing to say. A pedophile who has committed no crimes is just another regular citizen who feels sexual attractions they cannot control. What is so despicable about that? They kept themselves in check out of respect for the rights of the children. It's somewhat commendable at the least.

[Ryme]

It's illegal to rape women for being promiscuous.

This closes the point on a legal basis. However, again, the poster was answering a call as to why so many charges were occurring, he was immediately responded to with these, though completely valid in a legal sense, points that miss what he was responding to.

[tibe]

A paedophile alone doesn't invoke disgust. Am I "fucked up"? Paedophilia IS a sexuality and paedophiles literally have different brain structure than typical adults. So no how a person is born doesn't instantly invoke disgust. If they are out raping and grooming people, that will invoke disgust but a person simply being a paedophile, something they can't help, nope.

So if a psychopath wakes up one day and thinks about shooting up a school full of kiddies before busting a cap in his own computer, it's fine and should not lead to disgust as long as he doesn't translate what's going on in his head into real acts, right?

They do have a different brain structure aswell after all.

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I really have no idea how Jimmy Savile went under their radar for so long. Even the prominent charity "Children in Need" had boycotted him on account of the rumours about his behaviour as early as the 1990s. And the tabloids were crazy about paedophilia for at least as long.

Everyone had heard rumours, but rumours are rumours until someone actually comes forward unfortunately. I do find it hard to understand how any of the papers didn't publish this story, and investigate thoroughly, they all had it and none of them took it up. Too busy trying to get photographs of some celebrity's underwear.

[Ryme]

This one beats them all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUVjZPVj1Pk

George Carlin, missed always <3

[fizzbob]

I'll be sure to save my strong reaction of disgust for if and when he's convicted.
Believing in "innocent until proven guilty" is not being pro-pedo. It's believing in a fair trial and due process.

This nonsense reminds me of the idiots that attached a doctor's home because it said "paediatrician" and they thought that had something to do with being a paedophile.

you can be wrongly accused of about 100000000000000000 things that lead to charges

not pedophilia. they will not charge you until they're 100% sure you did it. they have to convict you internally to charge you because charging someone who didn't do it ruins their lives. it's grounds for huge lawsuits.

according to lawyers, they aren't even comfortable charging people they find with a few pictures of kiddie porn because it's almost a death sentence the second you charge them.

he can innocent until proven guilty as far as the courts are concerned, he doesn't have the right to be innocent until prove guilty to the public. we're not bound by those rules. in most cases yeah, hold off judgement. in something like this, you will NEVER BE CHARGED until they've 100% busted you with enough to convict you.

a while back, a woman accused her ex husband during a divorce of molesting their daughter. she only had her word. they checked him out and found nothing and stuck her in jail for 30 days, gave the child to the husband and it's a textbook example of what to do when your client wants to bring up child sexual abuse allegations. the lawyers are supposed to make the client prove to them that the charges are true, and if they can't, the lawyer will not touch it with a 10' pole.

no point in saying anything else about this. the pedophiles here are gonna support the guy. normal folks are disgusted.

[Grimtide]

Some of the scenarios being discussed aren't too uncommon.

For example I used to know someone in a band with a similar story. 16 year old girl impressed with band chases band member. Band member who is high on ego, booze, whatever, goes along with it. Afterwards they both brag to their friends about what happened. No harm done.
Except he later found out that she was younger than 16 (14 iirc). He thought she looked 16, she told him she was 16. His fault? I don't think so, but pretend her parents somehow found out, then there could have been a shitstorm and you know they would think of their daughter as the victim.

As for Watkins i'm not sure what's the deal, but if she sent him pics and he saved them, knowing she was underage, then it's game over for him.

[Auloria]

The idea I think the poster was trying to convey, however, was that if the person acts and dresses in a certain way, for right or wrong, is it not expected that people will treat them in a certain way?

Like I say, Devil's advocate. It's not a nice idea, not at all. Merely something to try and understand the mind of someone who would commit such crimes.


Who's Dave Chappelle? Also, I don't very much like you insinuating I'm trying to justify rape.

A 12 year old doesn't understand the consequences of her behavior. She understands that adult men give her a lot of attention when acts in a way that they like. She doesn't understand that she'll be labelled a whore and a slut and blamed for anything bad that happens to her. It is the adult's responsibility to instill discipline in the child, not to take advantage of them.

Adult women don't usually wear sexy clothes to signal it's time to have sex, they do it to feel confident and desired. However, adult women understand that encouraging that desire indicates the possibility of sex. I think you are an asshole if you lead someone on, you should always be clear about what you want, but rape is a pretty horrific punishment for rejection.

[fizzbob]

That's a pretty heinous thing to say. A pedophile who has committed no crimes is just another regular citizen who feels sexual attractions they cannot control. What is so despicable about that? They kept themselves in check out of respect for the rights of the children. It's somewhat commendable at the least.

give me one example of someone who wants to fuck kids but doesn't. you got a better chance at finding big foot.

this is like the "you gay people can just be straight if you accept the lord"
no. you are what you are. if you are a pedophile, you will at some point find some kiddie porn to fap to, or take advantage of a child.
if i had those urges, i'd kill myself knowing i did the right thing.

you can't change or ignore your sexuality.

[Ryme]

A 12 year old doesn't understand the consequences of her behavior. She understands that adult men give her a lot of attention when acts in a way that they like. She doesn't understand that she'll be labelled a whore and a slut and blamed for anything bad that happens to her. It is the adult's responsibility to instill discipline in the child, not to take advantage of them.

Adult women don't usually wear sexy clothes to signal it's time to have sex, they do it to feel confident and desired. However, adult women understand that encouraging that desire indicates the possibility of sex. I think you are an asshole if you lead someone on, you should always be clear about what you want, but rape is a pretty horrific punishment for rejection.

Well said, the first paragraph is a very prominent point to me; I see far too many young girls dressing in ways that leave me scratching my heads as to what their parents are doing with them.

[semaphore]

This closes the point on a legal basis. However, again, the poster was answering a call as to why so many charges were occurring, he was immediately responded to with these, though completely valid in a legal sense, points that miss what he was responding to.

Well, it closes it on a moral basis w.r.t. to the question you originally posed, which was mistaking someone dressed as a police officer for a real cop. The point was that it is an illegal act, thus incomparable to a simple mistake of occupation.

As for whether his victim blaming explains why there are a number of charges, I already addressed that much earlier. There's no evidence that dressing revealingly increases your chance of being sexually assaulted. Not to mention that he's talking about cases that doesn't involve any such slutty underage girls so it's really kind of retarded to continue treating as though it's making some deep meaningful point.

[Ryme]

give me one example of someone who wants to fuck kids but doesn't. you got a better chance at finding big foot.

They certainly exist, in large numbers too. There's clear evidence of this in the amount of "loli" porn that gets spread around the internet, the fact that sites that promote "jail-bait" girls make large profits and of course the clear cut point that many, many people go into psychiatric help on their feelings toward minors.

[semaphore]

give me one example of someone who wants to fuck kids but doesn't. you got a better chance at finding big foot

Yeah because pedophiles generally announces themselves to the world. Because fizzbob people totally don't immediately assume that they must also be rapists.

[Activi-T]

And still our police force get no respect

When they completely falsely evidence against a member of Government (Andrew Mitchel) I can see why public opinion of them is low. Yes I am aware that it isn't all policemen but one bad apples spoils the bunch.

[Deleted]

give me one example of someone who wants to fuck kids but doesn't. you got a better chance at finding big foot.

this is like the "you gay people can just be straight if you accept the lord"
no. you are what you are. if you are a pedophile, you will at some point find some kiddie porn to fap to, or take advantage of a child.
if i had those urges, i'd kill myself knowing i did the right thing.

you can't change or ignore your sexuality.

It's reasonable to believe that there are paedophiles out there that never act on it. And then they are committing no crime, you can't convict people for thoughts, can you?

[Deleted]

you can be wrongly accused of about 100000000000000000 things that lead to charges

not pedophilia. they will not charge you until they're 100% sure you did it. they have to convict you internally to charge you because charging someone who didn't do it ruins their lives. it's grounds for huge lawsuits.

according to lawyers, they aren't even comfortable charging people they find with a few pictures of kiddie porn because it's almost a death sentence the second you charge them.

he can innocent until proven guilty as far as the courts are concerned, he doesn't have the right to be innocent until prove guilty to the public. we're not bound by those rules. in most cases yeah, hold off judgement. in something like this, you will NEVER BE CHARGED until they've 100% busted you with enough to convict you.

a while back, a woman accused her ex husband during a divorce of molesting their daughter. she only had her word. they checked him out and found nothing and stuck her in jail for 30 days, gave the child to the husband and it's a textbook example of what to do when your client wants to bring up child sexual abuse allegations. the lawyers are supposed to make the client prove to them that the charges are true, and if they can't, the lawyer will not touch it with a 10' pole.

no point in saying anything else about this. the paedophiles here are gonna support the guy. normal folks are disgusted.

Matthew Kelly, another British celebrity, wasn't convicted after being charged. It is actually quite worrying that people such as yourself had place a ring around these charges and claim that the system is no way no fallible in their event. People have literally been hounded to death just for being brought in for questioning because people like yourself believe there is no smoke without fire. Acknowledging the fact that sometimes, even in the most heinous of charges, that the system is not perfect does not make a person a paedophile or even a sympathiser; it's just the measure of a person who needs a bit more evidence before rushing out with their noose to join the local lynch mob.

[Lefrog]

It is. But you can't treat people in a way that is criminal, regardless of how they act. Therein lies the the fault with victim blaming. I know you said devil's advocate but this ought to be intuitively obvious? You can perhaps rightfully call a child a slut (but you won't be a nice person for doing so), but that's about as far as you can go. You can't rape her and then justify it as "well she acted like a slut so I treated her like one".

It's illegal to rape women for being promiscuous.

There in lies the problem with modern society. Because girls who act and dress promiscuously, sometimes also engage in sexual activity with older men. It's also illegal to have consensual sex, and the responsibility is thrown entirely on the adult. Controlling sexual urges during a consensual encounter is a lot harder than people think. It's not only in our genes, but also embedded in our society. There is a reason why so many people cheat when they are in a relationship. But there is a fundamental difference between wanting that ultimate please with someone and willing to break the law/relationship over it and going as far as knowingly hurting them for it.

Sometimes the adult may not know the true age, sometimes the adult will give in to temptation. But the thought process going through a man's brain is entirely different from a "I'm going to rape her" situation. Yet the punishment and branding stays the same, especially in cases involving minors.

200 years ago it wasn't uncommon to get with someone younger than 18. In fact, nature itself makes girls ready in the 10-13 age. Now I do agree, that in this day in age, getting pregnant or even engaging in sexual activity before 17-18 can be damaging, because so much of our future rides on our ability to focus on learning during our teen years and our ability to grow up with a healthy mental state. But we are fighting against our nature in doing this, and the fact that society has deemed it ok to punish those who break this rule but at the same time deemed it ok to leave all the temptation in there is wrong. It's similar to bringing alcohol to an AA meeting. In either case you have to be very strong willed to go against your natural instincts when being tempted, and some people just aren't.

[semaphore]

It's also illegal to have consensual sex

No it isn't. And having sex with someone who can't consent, is not consensual sex.

*But the thought process going through a man's brain is entirely different from a "I'm going to rape her" situation.

You do realise that most rapists don't think they are raping their victims, right? Nobody thinks "I'm going to rape her" in a rape situation, be it statutory rape or otherwise. They think "she's asking for it", "she wants it", "she's wet", "she's a slut", "she's a bitch", or whatever. Very few think "I'm a rapist and I like it".

200 years ago it wasn't uncommon to get with someone younger than 18. In fact, nature itself makes girls ready in the 10-13 age.

No, girls that young giving birth are risking a whole host of medical issues. Nature makes girls capable by 13, it does not make them ready.

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give me one example of someone who wants to fuck kids but doesn't. you got a better chance at finding big foot.

this is like the "you gay people can just be straight if you accept the lord"
no. you are what you are. if you are a pedophile, you will at some point find some kiddie porn to fap to, or take advantage of a child.
if i had those urges, i'd kill myself knowing i did the right thing.

you can't change or ignore your sexuality.

There is a show on german television with a radio host, who talks to people and tries to help them, he's called Domian and pretty popular in Germany. One time someone called and said he became a pedophile at some point. Just found himself attracted to young kids. He didn't really want it and he sought help. Think there's even an organization that helps pedophiles. Well that guy said he never had sex with a child nor looked at child pornography, ever. So I guess I found bigfoot.

For those who understand german.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3MWY0RdSI8

http://www.kein-taeter-werden.de/

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No it isn't. And having sex with someone who can't consent, is not consensual sex.


You do realise that most rapists don't think they are raping their victims, right? Nobody thinks "I'm going to rape her" in a rape situation, be it statutory rape or otherwise. They think "she's asking for it", "she wants it", "she's wet", "she's a slut", "she's a bitch", or whatever. Very few think "I'm a rapist and I like it".


No, girls that young giving birth are risking a whole host of medical issues. Nature makes girls capable by 13, it does not make them ready.

You might be surprised to know that it is illegal for anyone over 18 to have sex with anyone under 18 even if they are 16 and above and it's consensual.