Really? A $300,000 Lambo that tops out at 217mph is just a means of transportation?
I think not.
People buy supercars for a lot of different reasons, but getting from A to B usually isn't one of them. And going from A to B at 200 mph will get you thrown in jail and your license suspended. Yet, we as a society have no problem selling vehicles that have capacities that are well beyond what is necessary for their primary purpose and would be incredibly dangerous to use outside of a well regulated environment.
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Yep. I've seen them rolling down the street in LA.
When survival is the goal, it's into the spider hole!
Yeah I know but the post was in general so people understand that the comparison car vs guns is beyong flawed. And I still don't understand why the gun owners posting in this thread are trying to "trivialize" the gun as just a "tool". I would expect them from all people to know better...
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Get into your thick head, cars =/= guns. Read the post above to find out how your logic is yes beyong retarded.
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Well I hope it doesn't sound too insensitive to those affected by violence in general, I like to side with Christopher Hitchens on the subject of debate. I love debate, it's the only real way to challenge what you think you know and what you believe. It's the only kind of conversation worth having and the only way a consensus will ever be reached about anything is by discussing it among those of opposing views.
Funny you should mention being radical. I was radical about gun rights, and the entire debate surrounding the violence lately sparked my interest enough to take a look. Generally I've avoided it on MMO-Champion unless I see someone who is calm and uses reason when portraying their views rather than getting in a monkey shit flinging competition, which regrettably has been most of it here. Anyway..
Over the last few weeks I've thought about it, and even as someone who feels like a libertarian, I've felt my views being challenged, with reason and debate, I've found it hard to argue against some points. So in conclusion, I used to believe that anyone should be able to own basically anything as long as they aren't insane or a criminal (and the clear and present danger thing, too), but I can't feel true objection within me to some suggested regulations.
I just want it done right, I want it done with clarity and definition, with logic, and with true respect for the right to bare arms, because once a portion of a right is conceded to government control, it's almost impossible to ever get it back.
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Well, you know, down in the history books as a terrible terrible idea. The push to promote responsible behaviour with alcohol is there though. At least in France, I don't know how you manage on your side of the Atlantic.
EDIT: Now that I think about it, the push to ban alcohol is right next door! On the other side of the Medditerranean to be precise. It might just work for them, who knows.
I want honest results because all these 272M guns are not being used at once; my points was that they're used way less than the 243M cars and yet still cause a significant amount of destruction.
NRA future news +++ crazy school cop shot 20 children and 3 teachers +++ he was there to protect the children but killed them +++ NRA now wants to arm every child with guns +++ debate today: toddler gun training, a good idea? +++
Atoms are liars, they make up everything!
My school did have shootings. Then they brought in cops and metal detectors. No more shootings.
When survival is the goal, it's into the spider hole!
I'd love to see an example of how gun laws have worked in America. Because they haven't. The most dangerous cities in America are the ones who have the most restrictive gun laws.
America is safer today than in 1993. How has the rate of firearms-related murder changed in recent years?
In 2011 there were 14,612 murder victims, of which 9,903 were killed by assailants with firearms, according to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports.
The rate of firearms-related murders in 2011 was 3.2 per 100,000 people – a sharp decline from 1993 when the rate of firearms-related murders was 6.6 per 100,000 people.
The number of firearms-related murder victims dropped from more than 17,000 in 1993 to 9,903 in 2011.
http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news...n-america?lite
How many firearms are manufactured in the United States?
According to the annual statistical report from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, in 2010 more than 5.4 million firearms were manufactured in the United States. In the 20 years from 1990 to 2010, an average of 4 million firearms were made in the United States every year.
How many firearms are imported into the United States annually?
According to the ATF, 3.2 million guns were legally imported into the United States in 2011, up from 1.3 million in 2001.
So the amount of firearms has increased in our country by at least several million a year and yet we are safer? How does that compute for all you gun control advocates?
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Anyone here ever been assaulted by an 'assault rifle' or know somebody that has? Never heard of a gun that could assault people. I've heard of people that could assault people but never a gun. THEY MUST HAVE BECOME 'SELF AWARE' OMG! WHERE IS JON CONNOR? ZOMG!
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@bellabulldog Correlation does not equal causation.
There are more restrictive laws in densely populated areas because they are places where violence is more common, not the other way around. Whether a law that can be avoided simply by driving a few kilometers is at all efficient is another matter.
Meanwhile the amount of guns owned in Australia has drastically diminished and their amount of gun related homicides has dropped, unsurprisingly.
Also, how many of the guns you mention are for civilians ? How many were exported ?
Lots of them are for civilians. http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/...34893820070828 Read the article. http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/17/wh...st-gun-control
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We are safer. No doubt in my mind. Shouldn't be in yours either. Firearms that are handled improperly are inherently dangerous. http://johnrlott.tripod.com/postsbyday/RTCResearch.html
This is a causal relationship.