I hate threads like these. They degrade into what we have here every single time.
Is pot illegal, yes. Should it be? Probably not. There are far worst legal things on the market now. We all know this. There is no disputing it at this time. It isn't 100% safe either. Studies exist to prove both these points. I bet most of us have seen them.
Is weed a gateway drug? Of course it is. You do it to enjoy the high, so trying for a better high is the natural progression here. This doesnt mean weed=crack whore down the road. There are always weak minded people out there that do not understand doing harder drugs is bad for you. These are the same people who get psychologically addicted to weed. But lets face it, if you cant say no to weed or harder drugs it isnt weeds fault. You were more than likely going to fuck up your life some other way. Being weak minded will get you in the end, it always does.
This all comes from experience as well. I did try harder drugs for better highs but knew where to draw the line. I would still be smoking today if I could find some to be perfectly honest. New town and all makes it hard.
I have a family, 3 kids, a wife and a successful job. This is not because of weed, but it isnt in spite of it either.
Ive had functioning pot heads and alcoholics alike work for me. Ive also had train wrecks for human beings try and fail because of the same things. It's like anything else in like. Some people cant handle it and some can not. But like anything in life the real fuck ups are louder and more noticeable than the good ones. It is a side effect to being weak minded.
A lot of what everyone here is saying is true, but more often than not people just refuse to see the other side of the story. I've had the privilege (punishment..?) of working with youth for 12 years now. the 15-19 bracket. It is the same every year.
Trying to force opinions onto others is a waste. The fact is it will be legal in the years to come, people will do it either way and it isnt any of anyone elses damn business.
does not matter who says what to you, if your going to experiment your going to experiment.
best thing to do is to teach her the good, the bad, and the horrendous sides of drug use. DO NOT preach to her about it, And certainly let her know that you are someone safe that she can turn to if and when she needs to.
get her to look at http://www.talktofrank.com its a UK site so the law side of it will be different depending on what country your in, however it is a very good site for anyone who takes, or is planning on taking drugs.
The thing to point out is you said .... less of a health hazard... Its still a health hazard and is illegal. So its a bad choice.
Like smoking and getting plastered every weekend is a bad choice. The young never do anything in moderation and then wonder why they have 70 year old livers at 40 years of age....
And I'd like proof... not just some article saying "Findings suggest" etc that an illegal substance is less harmfull that 2 legal ones.
Not saying the 2 legal ones can't cause harm or cause no harm when used.
Science has made us gods even before we are worthy of being men: Jean Rostand. Yeah, Atheism is a religion like bald is a hair colour!.
Classic: "The tank is the driver, the healer is the fuel, and the DPS are the kids sitting in the back seat screaming and asking if they're there yet."
Irony >> "do they even realize that having a state religion IS THE REASON WE LEFT BRITTEN? god these people are idiots"
It's a minor health hazard at worst. Eating potato chips is likelier to impact you more. Driving in a car is a larger health hazard. It's "illegal" but in most places it's a misdemeanor and is rarely even charged as that.
Marijuana doesn't have those kind of effects, so it's a moot point.Like smoking and getting plastered every weekend is a bad choice. The young never do anything in moderation and then wonder why they have 70 year old livers at 40 years of age....
Here is a well cited list:And I'd like proof... not just some article saying "Findings suggest" etc that an illegal substance is less harmfull that 2 legal ones.
Not saying the 2 legal ones can't cause harm or cause no harm when used.
http://norml.org/library/health-repo...alth-mythology
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Because you create a situation where people who have had serious drug issues in the past or come from bad backgrounds have trouble reintegrating into society and fixing their lives. It's not a wise policy to put walls up around disadvantaged people. You just make the problem worse.
And that detracts from the effects of what Rennadrels posted above how?Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
I totally disagree. I have met people who smoked weed every day, even multiple times a day, their brains were so fried and they weren't even classified as adults yet.
just stating another bad thing causing the same effect means nothing and is irrelevant lol
Science has made us gods even before we are worthy of being men: Jean Rostand. Yeah, Atheism is a religion like bald is a hair colour!.
Classic: "The tank is the driver, the healer is the fuel, and the DPS are the kids sitting in the back seat screaming and asking if they're there yet."
Irony >> "do they even realize that having a state religion IS THE REASON WE LEFT BRITTEN? god these people are idiots"
Don't have anything to back up that cigs are less harmful (cba to find one) but here's one for alcohol: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2331779.html
I grew up without doing drugs, ever. How is fucking up your body part of growing up (yeayea, one won't hurt blahblah.)
So you're pretty much saying that someone who's smoked pot probably will kill people because he doesn't care about the rules anyway? There's different "levels" in rules. You're not hiring someone for doing drugs because he showed he doesn't care about rules? Then don't hire anyone who ate candy before dinner even though their mom told them not to do it. Or people who used to fight over toys when they were 5. Or people that got a speeding ticket. Or people who drop garbage on the street... You're not going to find a lot of employees that way. Yes, the candy isn't Illegal, but it's still a rule that was broken, and that was your problem with smoking weed.
I've smoked my first marijuana when i was 14, now im 24 and still alive, got a normal job, living myself etc, if she tries weed or whatever else drug its her choice not yours, it wont kill her or whatever. You dont need to intervene, it will just make it worse, do it only when she got serious problems because of it...
http://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/Gr...istJan2012.pdf
there you go, a grandma who has made it her mission to spread the word of ganja.
seriously though, every link in that list is a medical document regarding the many uses of cannabis.
educate yourselfs, ignorance is ugly.
also to the op, if its just weed, chill. who knows. it might be good for her. if its meth or something like that, then ya, I would talk to her. cause meth will fuck you up.
Let her make her own mistakes.
If she comes out of it okay, good on her, if she ends up a drugged up prostitute (Sorry, no offence) then use her as an example for your future children. There is little you can do. If it is a bit of weed, just tell her to be cool about it, and not do anything stupid, if it is something more hardcore, tell her to get a fucking grip, or you'll call the police.
Don't actually, but it might be enough.
You might want to look up the definition of a strawman before you use the term improperly again.
Except that you seem to have forgotten there was an entire post in between. And so, I shall post it again: Because politics isn't about what's best for the country; it's about being reelected. Smoking is such an intrinsically connected factor of US culture, in a vast variety of areas, that even despite the irrefutable and numerous negatives assigned to smoking you're going to have to have massive changes in the voter base before you can get a solid number of politicians to implement its ban. Then there's the problem that, because it is so massively addicted, what are you going to do with the millions of addicts once it is banned?Which was a reply to mine.
The government attempted to outlaw alcohol, but the people forced the issue and reversed the amendment. So no, alcohol isn't on the government's hands.
So the government makes pot illegal because it wants people in prisons? You apparently have much to learn about the current state of the US prison system. Hint hint: they're overloaded and thus inefficient. I'd really like to know what half-rate conspiracy site you get all of your information from.So then, I did claim that the Government has it labeled incorrectly for a reason. This is direct correlation with prison populations and prison labor, with evidence of products like Tobacco and Alcohol on the market. Not including, most of cases in drug court are Pot related.
Yes, the evil government is purposefully feeding misinformation, to keep a commonly used drug in illegal status, to ensure it's prison labor.
Your facts are only half correct. In terms of dealers, cocaine holds the highest amount of arrests- http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/12statab/law.pdf . Although that entire factoid is essentially irrelevant.
While that site does link lots of "findings suggest evidence off", Or it states basically there is not enough evidence to give solid results and lots of study result none of it is proof, just findings of a small studies and information takes from those findings none of it is conclusive.
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Science has made us gods even before we are worthy of being men: Jean Rostand. Yeah, Atheism is a religion like bald is a hair colour!.
Classic: "The tank is the driver, the healer is the fuel, and the DPS are the kids sitting in the back seat screaming and asking if they're there yet."
Irony >> "do they even realize that having a state religion IS THE REASON WE LEFT BRITTEN? god these people are idiots"
Calling people out by telling them they are WRONG BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL. When asked of the validity of said illegal status, you said "not my problem". Thus it devalues your WRONG BECAUSE ILLEGAL statement.
I never said you would never take the responsibility of said illegal actions. Neither has anyone else here with Pot.
I make you want to call me a moron. How can words make you do anything? If you want to call me a moron, do so. I ain't a child I can take it.