The big question of prostitution

[Kasierith]

Not sure if all but I'm pretty sure many are. Considering all the information about human trafficking there is out there you really have to live in a cave, or don't give a fuck about others.

You're getting personal again. That is a fallacy of composition; not all prostitution is derived from human trafficking. What's more, legalization and thus increasing legal oversight would fight human trafficking.

You don't see how? Where would prostitutes come from?

From where the greater part of prostitutes in the US come from: severe economic disparity that causes people to overcome typical moral boundaries.

Social harm cause it interact with relationship. A lot.
Physical cause it does. Tenfold chances to get std's, even in a legal environment mind you, possible physical abuse that DOES happen...
Come on I mean its not like I'm saying the state will come and take your kids.

Tenfold increase? Most studies have shown that sex workers are more conscientious of things like condoms (pregnancy kind of kills your business) as well as STD's. You also already have oversights concerning STD's in things such as, the pornography industry.
Social harm causing them to "interact with relationships?" If people want to be unfaithful, they will be unfaithful, and legalization or not it will happen.

[Endus]

No man. Fully legalised prostitution isn't the same as allowing, as Canada does, privates selling services on their own. Completely different.

You're making up bullshit distinctions. Canada has fully legalised prostitution. What it doesn't allow is soliciting.

Not sure if all but I'm pretty sure many are. Considering all the information about human trafficking there is out there you really have to live in a cave, or don't give a fuck about others.

You don't see how? Where would prostitutes come from?

Legalizing prostitution reduces human trafficking, by vastly reducing the market. As you'd know, if you'd read any of the studies or examined any of the data from the nations which have done so.

Your willful ignorance on this matter is not a defense. We've given you the information. Your refusal to examine it is entirely on you.

Social harm cause it interact with relationship. A lot.

No, it causes none. People who're gonna cheat will cheat, with a prostitute or not.

Physical cause it does. Tenfold chances to get std's, even in a legal environment mind you, possible physical abuse that DOES happen...

Hey, sometimes a husband will beat his wife. Therefore we should ban marriage.

Does that make sense? No? It's because that's a ridiculous argument. Legalizing provides prostitutes with better legal protections against such abuse, too. If anything, you're arguing in FAVOR of human trafficking and beating up prostitutes, not against it.

[Deleted]

Swedish social policy does not involve forcing people into jobs they find unacceptable. Your argument assumes that unemployed Swedes are slaves to the government and have no say in their lives. That is simply not true.

You are wrong.
The can force you to apply for any job and they do it all the time to lots of people without jobs.

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Why/how/where would any state do that?

Thats how the rules are in Sweden.
If you are unemployed and the state sais "apply for this job" and you say no they can and will remove all your support.
Anyone saying diffrent is bullshiting and have no idea how it works.

[Xanjori]

You are wrong.
The can force you to apply for any job and they do it all the time to lots of people without jobs

What? This is nonsense if I read it. You only have to apply for 10 jobs per month, it doesnt matter what the jobs are, I applied to be head of a Socialen office

[semaphore]

Thats how the rules are in Sweden.
If you are unemplyed and the stats sais "aplly for this job" and you say no they can and will remove all your support.
Anyone saying diffrent is bullshiting and have no idea how it works.

Prostitution is legal in Sweden. So I take it that Swedish women on welfare payments are routinely forced into prostitution by the Swedish government then? What's that, they aren't? So the whole idea is really just paranoid delusions isn't it.

[Tzalix]

Prostitution is legal in Sweden. So I take it that Swedish women on welfare payments are routinely forced into prostitution by the Swedish government then? What's that, they aren't? So the whole idea is really just paranoid delusions isn't it.

There are no laws about selling sex in Sweden, but buying sex is illegal. So I wouldn't exactly say that prostitution is legal. Well, it is legal, as long as the payment is anything other than cash. Alcohol, a car, whatever.

[Deleted]

Makes total sense to legalize and regulate it. There is a demand for it and as long as it is illegal it will continue to attract organised crime, much like how the selling of alcohol attracted organised crime during the probation days. Making it legal would make it safer for all parties involved and would allow people that face abuse in the business to turn to authorities without the fear of punishment. Restricting it to brothels or Red Light districts is a given.

[semaphore]

There are no laws about selling sex in Sweden, but buying sex is illegal. So I wouldn't exactly say that prostitution is legal. Well, it is legal, as long as the payment is anything other than cash. Alcohol, a car, whatever.

Shh you're ruining my point about how stupid it is to fear the government selling you into prostitution!!

[Endus]

You are wrong.
The can force you to apply for any job and they do it all the time to lots of people without jobs.

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Thats how the rules are in Sweden.
If you are unemplyed and the stats sais "aplly for this job" and you say no they can and will remove all your support.
Anyone saying diffrent is bullshiting and have no idea how it works.

Making porn is legal in Sweden.

Feel free to link any one example of someone being forced into making porn by the government to retain their benefits.

Alternatively, retract your statements and admit that you're fearmongering with no basis whatsoever for your claims.

Those are your options.

[Deafknight]

Thats how the rules are in Sweden.
If you are unemployed and the state sais "apply for this job" and you say no they can and will remove all your support.
Anyone saying diffrent is bullshiting and have no idea how it works.

You need to provide proof you applied to several jobs each month. Noone is coming along telling you to take any job, heavens forbid any job you do not morally approve of.

[Deleted]

I know some people that has worked as prostitutes and also know police that have worked on the Vice squads, and they all say the same thing.
They have never met a whore that actually liked her job, never met a whore that is happy with life and never met a whore that woulded much rather do sometihng else for a living. Do you people realy think this will change if we make it legal?

This is the same bullshit discussion as makeing all drugs legal.
Fact, making a bad thing legal does not make it a good thing all of sudden. Then its just a legal bad thing wich is even worse.

[Deleted]

You are wrong.
The can force you to apply for any job and they do it all the time to lots of people without jobs.

Thats how the rules are in Sweden.
If you are unemployed and the state sais "apply for this job" and you say no they can and will remove all your support.
Anyone saying diffrent is bullshiting and have no idea how it works.

They can't force you to apply for jobs you are not personally compatible with.

[Xanjori]

I know some people that has worked as prostitutes and also know police that have worked on the Vice squads, and they all say the same thing.
They have never met a whore that actually liked her job, never met a whore that is happy with life and never met a whore that woulded much rather do sometihng else for a living. Do you people realy think this will change if we make it legal?

This is the same bullshit discussion as makeing all drugs legal.
Fact, making a bad thing legal does not make it a good thing all of sudden. Then its just a legal bad thing wich is even worse.

Ive seen/met plenty of happy prostitutes!

My anecdotal evidence > yours!

[skrump]

Also, why are people assuming all prostitutes are women?

Because if a man has the ability to repeatedly con women to pay him for sex he isn't a man, He is a F'ing legend.

I mean honestly if a women is interested in Sex she need not look far because horny men don't care about the exterior a hole is a hole.
Penis on the otherhand are not created equal and women generally rely on many other factors in choosing even temporary partners.

[Rukentuts]

Because if a man has the ability to repeatedly con women to pay him for sex he isn't a man, He is a F'ing legend.

I mean honestly if a women is interested in Sex she need not look far because horny men don't care about the exterior a hole is a hole.
Penis on the otherhand are not created equal and women generally rely on many other factors in choosing even temporary partners.

There are male prostitutes, I believe they're called 'gigalos' (sp?).

Why would a woman seek a prostitute? Maybe she wants sex without any fear of emotional attachment, just like a man.

[Deleted]

Making porn is legal in Sweden.

Feel free to link any one example of someone being forced into making porn by the government to retain their benefits.

Alternatively, retract your statements and admit that you're fearmongering with no basis whatsoever for your claims.

Those are your options.

Pornstars are not employed they work on contracts most often per movie.
So there is no place where you can be employed as a pornstar in sweden.

And for your information, you do not dictate my options. Thats was the most ridiculus try i have ever seen to be a badass

[semaphore]

Do you people realy think this will change if we make it legal?

It's better than if it's not legal.

[Hraklea]

If you are unemployed and the state sais "apply for this job" and you say no they can and will remove all your support.

How is that different than forcing any other sort of job? The problem is their support policy...

[Endus]

Pornstars are not employed they work on contracts most often per movie.
So there is no place where you can be employed as a pornstar in sweden.

And most prostitutes do the same. You're disproving your own ridiculous theory.

Alternatively, show us a job listing for a regular shift as a prostitute in Sweden.

[skrump]

What stops a person from trading sex for...say....getting the garage painted?

The only prostitution which is 'illegal' is that which involves money. Payment in kind is conveniently ignored.[COLOR="red"]

Trading sex for favors is called marriage, it's an advanced version of prostitution that empowers the prostitute to demand both complete obedience as well as money in exchange for offering more than sex.